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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:26 PM Original message |
Want Nader out of the race? Embrace his agenda...it should be ours, anyway |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. FUCK yeah. |
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Steepler0t (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Exactly |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. It will never happen, Nader wouldn't stay out of the race |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Embracing his agenda will at least make him as irrelevant as possible. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. He's made himself irrelevant by giving us the worst president in a long time. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I'm not a Nader defender in terms of his tactics. Fine he shouldn't have run in 2000 |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
89. It's our fault, Not Nader's. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
210. Why do you still pretend that Bush's victory had anything to do with Nader? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #210 |
214. There is a fallacy in your argument. n/t |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #214 |
221. Okay... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #221 |
227. I'm giving you time to figure it out yourself. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. LoZoccolo thinks he's above actually having to make a case for his position |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #228 |
229. Nope. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Nope yourself. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #227 |
232. I don't need your vague, condescending bullshit |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #232 |
233. You should already know what's wrong with your argument. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. I've got a better idea. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. the Greens ran a candidate against Paul Wellstone in 2002 |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. It's not surprising. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. They had no choice |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. The Green Candidate could've not campaigned and endorsed Wellstone |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Their strategy was deliberate |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. They could have filled their slot and not campaigned, they campaigned |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. MOST of them did not |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Nader came to Minnesota and campaigned for the Green Candidate |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
158. Are you sure about that? I have a link here that says he offered to campaign with Wellstone. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #158 |
199. Read the article, Nader endorsed the Green candidate |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #199 |
213. I did read the article and it said he did not endorse the Green candidate |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #158 |
217. He also said "There's no reason for the party to back Wellstone" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Exactly what did "Mr. Oooga Dooga" accomplish there? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
84. It is "dooga dooga", and that was me. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
118. Ok, "dooga dooga".....whatevah..... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. I consider his Naderite statements, and my "dooga dooga" to be equal in stature. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Well, you're the only person who got that point. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. Not so. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #118 |
163. And it's our party's candidates that concede |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thank you! Blame the Democrats who sold us out, not Nader. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Exactly. There IS no "center" any more, so there' s no point in dissing our base to appeal to it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Where is your evidence for that? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. The polls that show overwheming majorities for single-payer and AGAINST the warm for one thing |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
125. Then why do people like Kucinich only get like 3% of the vote? n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. The press had nominated Kerry in advance |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Then how come they also nominated Dean in advance? n/t |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #141 |
165. You forget that Dean is a moderate... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #141 |
182. The denominated him in advance right after that. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #138 |
169. The press worked to STOP Kerry and made no bones about it throughout 2003. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:52 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. he has no evidence of that. It's been the meme of the left for three generations |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
124. I have excellent evidence right here: |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. Like, totally! |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
50. You hit the nail on the head! |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
149. Nader caused the loss in 2000 |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Thanks. If you say so. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Much of Nader's agenda is really right on the mark |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. Good words K&R! |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. "His" agenda? SNORT |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I DON'T think Ralph is a saint. I'm just saying the agenda his campaign stood for should be OURS. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
172. Baloney - Nader knew that Kerry was the top anti-corruption lawmaker in DC and took great RISKS to |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #172 |
219. Kerry gave Ralph excuses to stay in the race: |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. Baloney - Ralph KNEW BETTER than to blame Kerry for Dem PARTY decisions |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #220 |
224. The NOMINEE isn't responsible for what happens at his own NOMINATING CONVENTION? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. So the CORPORATE MEDIA that INFORMED YOU pretended - they EDITTED OUT |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
18. Sure thing ... As soon as the Greens stop taking $$$ from the GOP. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I'm not an apologist for the Greens doing that. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. power to the people ... ALL the people |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I actually agree with much of what you said in the third paragraph. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. There is a reason Congress has a 23% approval rating. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. That's right. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. um ... hello? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. OK. glad to discuss it with you then. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
176. I think I'd make a minor change |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #176 |
183. Ok. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
56. That's not the point AK. We should embrace their goals - many should be our goals. n/t |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. Greens taking $$$ from the GOP meant to defeat the Democrats |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
64. Got any evidence of that? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. * |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. LOL! And damn, I thought you had widespread evidence that the Greens were in the pocket of the 'Pug |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. LOL! And damn if you aren't disseminating the evidence you requested. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
146. How about both? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 04:10 AM Response to Reply #146 |
203. where do I start? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:10 AM Response to Reply #203 |
208. In other words, |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #208 |
225. your pattern of |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
135. Here. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. Didn't Someone Give Hime The Message? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. He's not going to stay out because we have the same message |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. So because you're pissed off about the past you want us to stay centrist and lose again? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. When did I state I wanted to stay centrist??? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. What you aren't seeing is that we can neutralize Ralph and WIN by embracing that platform, |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Thank you for the clarification. My apologies as well |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. no worries. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
155. you shouldn't have apologized actually |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #155 |
185. It would be a lot more than 1% |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #185 |
193. Possibly a lot of people that don't vote |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #193 |
201. And the reason you think that arrogant mulishness would work is...? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
192. we shouldn't have to do anything to appease someone who thinks he's the best thing |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #192 |
218. It's not about APPEASING Ralph as much as it is stealing his thunder and doing what's right. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. Nice agenda, but it's not Naders. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Well, no, not exclusively, but it hasn't been the agenda of any Dem ticket in years |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Oops please see post 40 for your reply. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
40. I feel that to the degree these things are reasonable, Democrats |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. And once again, I'm NOT a Nader apologist. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
159. I just don't think his campaign was really about these things. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
42. Put that way, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. It's EXTORTION to expect our party to actually stand for something? Bullshit! |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:02 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Wait, what the fuck? And all that "Vote my party or else" shit ISN'T extortion? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. the only group who threatens such is the left |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Whaaat? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Whaaat??? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. You know, many did vote "write in" or stayed home before, and many more will in 2008 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. As Harry Truman said in 1948.. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. It always makes my day complete whenever you imply that I'm "leftwing" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:06 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I've made no implication. I've stated it outright. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. As only you can do so well. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:25 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I'm quite certain others could do it as well. But why do you always say "good day" or "bye..." |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Oh, I just love to banter with one so approachable. n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. ... and you have an even greater lust for diverting the topic |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. I can tell by the long list of "ignored's" in this thread that you've met the big bad wyldwolf |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. asking for facts and sources always did get under your skin, Ken. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
150. Yes, he's a real "Prince" |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #119 |
215. So that's who that is. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
143. Bzzt, wrong, there was yet another thread trying to extort the left's vote... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #143 |
167. bzzt! wrong. THIS thread was first |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. So, what's your point? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. uh, no. This thread is warning Dems to conform to Nader's agenda or else |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Or else what? The left is "irrelevent" according to you... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. that's up to the OP's interpretation |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Weak deflection, answer the question. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. I did answer the question. The OP is a threat. A weak one, but one just the same |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #177 |
180. That's not the question I asked, I asked if YOU think the left is irrelevent. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. the question you asked is up to the OP's interpretation. A threat to take away votes is still ... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. How do you "take away" votes that you haven't earned yet? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. exit polling showed that a major percentage of Nader votes would have gone to Gore.. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #188 |
190. First you are conflating the left with the Green party... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #190 |
204. no, I am not. Greens are part of the left and there were plenty of Dems who voted Nader |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #204 |
212. And plenty on the left also voted for Gore, your point? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #212 |
235. Gore didn't throw the election to Bush |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
48. nice post |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
51. Great post, Ken. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
52. LOL. No. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I sure hope that those in the DLC don't choose to play this election out like the last two. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. what exactly did the DLC do in the last elections? Gimme details with sources... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Here you go! In essence, the DLC pisses on the Liberal Democrats and then intimidates |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:12 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. you used an op-ed from a year ago??? LOL! LOL! LOL! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:17 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. An Analysis/Commentary by the DLC. Since when is LIBERAL a dirty word to the Democratic Party? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:36 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. OK, here's one from 2004 condescendingly entitled "Lessons for Liberals" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You're still using op-ed pieces!! And tell me how they show how the DLC chose ... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:02 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Because these Analyses and Commentary REFLECT the values of The New Democrats, |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. but op-eds after the fact certainly don't effect elections retroactively |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. You will never convince these people |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
93. As I see it ... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. why does Nader (or anyone that supports him) think they can use the Dem party as a vehicle... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
121. I was challenging our party's leaders, not "attacking dems as a whole" zalinda |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
55. Bravo! I could not have put it better myself. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
81. absolutely spot ON.... |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
83. Bill Clinton = Grover Cleveland |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. ...wait! Let me catch my breath... |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Why? How is the comparison so odd? nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. the better question is how is that comparison valid. |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Both were anti-worker, pro-robber-baron Democrats |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Not at all so. |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. How much did the cost of necessities and education increase? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I just told you wages increased faster than inflation |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Depends which worker. I'll tell you that industrial workers were strangled n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. how can you tell me that? Stats? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. You know the stats n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. In other words, you "know it in your heart." |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. You do. Do you get paid to propagandize for Clinton and the DLC? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. LOL! Spin, dodge, divert... |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I'm curious. Do you get paid for this? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Are you still in high school? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Nope. I'm a college grad. Now you tell me, do you get paid for your DU activities? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. why do you act like a tigerbeat progressive? Dodging, spinning. Now tell me about those stats |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. Maybe I'm wrong about those stats. So are you paid? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Maybe you were wrong? LOL! |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Are you paid or not? Yes or no? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Every other Friday I get a check from the IT company I work for. So yes. Are you paid? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Are you being paid as a consequence of your activities on DU? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. No, are you? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. No I'm not being paid, but I believe you're playing with the truth |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Why would you think that? Because I seem to have facts right in front of me, and you don't? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Partly. Normal posters don't have all the facts at their disposition n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Some posters don't do the level of research I do. Plus, I've had all the same discussion before. |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. You're not a liberal? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. I'm a liberal as defined from 1932 - 1968 |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Me too. That's far from being a DLCer n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. actually is isn't |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. What about the most important: economic policy, social security, and social services? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. I'll address them |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #108 |
154. I think you hit the nail on the head. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. I think you live in a bizarro world |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Yes, like Cleveland, Clinton was an enabler of the rich |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Notice the silence when Clintonians are presented with facts n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #94 |
105. not a single fact was presented. Plenty of leftwing truthiness, though |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Clinton was an enabler of the middle and lower classes |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
85. K&R! Bravo! |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
87. That Nader is such a radical. Why would anyone support that agenda? n/t |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
95. How clever to ... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
191. Ralph didn't invent any of the above. He just helped bring it back. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
96. Vote for Dennis Kucinich! |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
189. Already planning to. I'm also trying to get the other candidates to do the right thing |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
103. Ok. join us and help us change--And that goes for Nader too. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
179. I joined years ago. I'm not a Green or a Naderite. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
112. Wamt Nader out of the race? Simply do what we did in 2004. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. what was that- lose? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #117 |
145. It was fraudulent effort by the GOP to undermine the Democratic Party (nt) |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #112 |
123. That was millions of dollars pissed down the drains for nothing. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #112 |
129. Yes! |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #129 |
234. ...said the champion of pointless bullying arrogance. |
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Judge_Mental (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #112 |
160. Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to actually try being |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
115. Screw Nader. He should be campaigning for dems. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Why? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
144. here's why they won't. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
148. Very few want anti-corporate |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. Then you thank God for the incoming Fascist State we are about to fully realize? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. I think you are using extreme examples |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. Can you please answer one question? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #166 |
187. These days, almost nowhere. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #187 |
209. One question |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #166 |
207. We want corporations to produce goods and services |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #207 |
211. We want SOMEBODY to produce goods and services, it doesn't have to be corporations... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #161 |
171. I don't think you fully embrace the realization of increased CONSOLIDATION breeds corporatism ?!? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #171 |
178. I don't think creaksneakers2 understands the concept of a duopoly, or limited markets... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #178 |
195. Agreed. We both realize that our government and corporations are getting .. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #148 |
181. I DON'T call myself a Green. I call myself a progressive Dem. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
194. This whole thread is predicated on a straw man/lie |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. Many of the people you listed are Corporate Enablers first and foremost. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
196. And by the way, Ralph Nader is repellent to true Democrats |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Read the OPs post again? We're talking about Democratic VALUES, not Nader, the person. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. I read the original post |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 04:02 AM Response to Reply #200 |
202. If you won't address my point: Embracing *Democratic Values,* NOT Nader the person ... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #202 |
205. I said earlier embracing progressive, liberal values is a good thing |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:16 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. Then I suggest that The Democratic Party not be ashamed of their |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
216. Nader will not be a problem again. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
222. Wish I could give this a rec |
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223. LOL |
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231. Do we also need to be the arrogant hypocrite party too |
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