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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:40 AM Original message |
What's Happening With The Immigration Bill? Are The Dems Going To Deliver For *...... |
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thethinker (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. That is exactly what is happening |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes they are |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think Kennedy and some Dems look at it as delivering for the |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I Hear What You Are Saying - It Just Gets Me That If This Bill Does Make It And Gets Passed...... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I agree with you on that. The Dems should be able to tout this |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Dems should NOT tout this as any sort of victory if enough of them let it past. |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. So Maybe It's A Ploy - The Bill Gets Passed And It Is Not Widely Received..... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It does get confusing. Some here don't want to pass the bill, |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Personally I Think They Should Just Let This One Die..... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Democratic presidents never have introduced tough immigration |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Look across the Western World |
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thethinker (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. No bill being pushed by Bush |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. No Democratic administration has ever passed a bill to get tough |
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bearfan454 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Maybe closer to 20 million nt |
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thethinker (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. According to Wikipedia |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. What I'd like to know is how any sane person |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I personally doubt that many will. |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. None of the GOP or Dem backers of this bill have... |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
50. I think Kennedy and some Dems look at it as delivering for the |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
4. The dems are selling out the American worker with THEIR illegal alein........ |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Amen. nt |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Double amen ! |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. triple amen. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. My bet on this if an immigration bill is passed that * will claim |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. I don't give a fuck if * claims victory. Our immigration policy is broken. |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Spoken like the Wall Street Journal editorial page |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Rather i should speak like Savage, Hannity, Limpballs, Sessions, and all the other nativist |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Now, now. Play nice. Those here who happen to agree with Rush |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. 'Nativist Brown Haters' ? |
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Rydz777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. This is a corporate bill that has nothing to do with compassion |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Don't tell Kennedy that it has nothing to do with compassion. |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. It has to do with an affluent liberal 'compassion'... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. An "affluent liberal 'compassion'"? |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
11. I guess you heard that Harry Reid announced last night that the bill |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. The Senate never killed the bill. In fact, what failed before was a vote to cut off debate |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
16. Given the choice between doing good or making * look bad... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Excellent point. n/t |
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thethinker (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. The job of a congressmen is |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Which has little to do with what the OP and I were talking about. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Simply not true. Most American want reform and support this bill. |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. That is an unqualified MSM lie |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. This bill is emphatically NOT 'doing good' |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. The bill is preferable to doing nothing. |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. This has nothing to do with Dem vs Repub |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. If Dean and Kennedy represent oligarchs to you that is fine with me. |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Why are you so defeatist... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. If you believe that the popular will wil force the next administration |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Only a fool would believe that the oligarchs... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Why do you say "open borders" agenda? Does this bill not provide $4.5 billiion for the border? |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. If the oligarchs had any intention of securing the border... |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Oligarchs come in both parties |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. See post #30. n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
59. Hey, I'm as liberal as they come, but there's no need to rush this now. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. * has become a pariah in the GOP because of this bill. |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
28. If the Dems support the "Amnesty" bill, and Bush |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Earth to democrats, ... Bush is not running for re election in 2008, ... |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
35. Can the Left afford to abdicate to the Populist Right... |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. No. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. IMO this is not a left vs. right issue. I'm with Jim Webb who wants to help those who have ... |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:41 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I think we agree. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
58. If MY Senator's (Jim Webb) Amendment to is not added, I hope it fails. |
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sanskritwarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
62. I'm a big fan of this bill it i the right thing to do |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. That will be the effect, if not the intention |
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