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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:09 PM Original message |
HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)'S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. ‘There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she said. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Reverse it...what if Hillary came out with a memo highlighting Obama's race... |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I've never defended Obama before, but I find your suggestion idiotic |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. First...not original with me... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. "the point is making a joke at the expense of someone based on nationality or race" |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Really... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Not you. HRC |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Racist you are full of Bull Shit. You are so afraid that he is coming |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
58. How is race-baiting not racist? nt |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Exactly what have I posted that is incorrect... |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Devon Ave is in the American city of Chicago . . . |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Since when did SaveElmer had to make sense. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Hillary's words, Elmer |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. For which she was roundly criticized...correct? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Sorry, politics can be so cruel, I thought you guys were supposed to be the experts |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. If you think the reference is appropriate... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Actually what's funny... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. It's also funny how Obama's rhetoric about a "new politics" and "unity" is slowly being exposed |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Exactly |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. You're right! Just because Hillary is Indian is no reason... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. She is popular with Indians because she is a senator from NY |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. What has Obama done? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. How is race-baiting not racist? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Race baiting *is* racist. But I saw nothing about race in that memo. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. "Indian" or "India" is used 48 times in the memo |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Exactly: HRC is in the pocket of EVUL BROWN PEOPLE! nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
103. Deleted message |
goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Sorry, I'm not clever enough to understand what you mean |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
87. I do not see anything saying Obama said anything. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. This is a classic trick used by the "old politics" of division, er, "unity" |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. Hillary's Campaign took it would step further She went to FOX |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. A perfect example of what I am talking about... |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
89. I don't know about the cat and the wolf, |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not in favor of India bashing or hatred. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. Did the Obama campaign put this racist piece out there? nt |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. It's an Obama campaign memo... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Then eff Obama (D-Race-baiter) |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. yes, that is the news . . . |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. "Punjab" reference came from a joke Hillary made herself at a fundraiser hosted by an Indian doctor |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Context matters. This was race-baiting pure and simple |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. As opposed to "Lieberman - (I) Israel"? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So that makes it ok for Obama to do it too...as I recall Hillary was excoriated here... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Amen SaveElmer |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Excuse me I am confused here. Did Obama put a Memo out |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
69. Yes |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. You have a logical disconnect there. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Are these examples racist? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Depends. What is the connection in each? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. The connection is the same in each case |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Wasn't Hillary's apology for her remark about "Ghandi owning a gas station down the street?" |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Clearly, as the Obama camp would gladly tell you, HRC is popular among Indian-Americans |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. The question is did Obama do it or a Campaign Worker |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. That is a classic: it wasn't me but my campaign! |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Wonder which NYT's reporter is leaking Obama campaign emails to Hillary campaign's Howard Wolson |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
23. Hillary: 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily' |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Actually Hillary was roundly criticized here for using that reference... |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. So Hillary admits to making that statement! Good to know. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Of course she did...I t hink the incident took place like 2 years ago... |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Are you really implying that Clinton's ops didn't do this exact kind of thing to other candidates? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Of course not... |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. So then all is fair in love and war...and politics. No exceptions. No double standards. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Simply holding the Obama campaign... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. HRC wasn't talking about outsourcing but her positive record with Indian-Americans |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. This memo is about outsourcing. It is a serious topic, not racism. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Then why play the race card? He could have easily focused on outsourcing |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Ask the techie cleaning toilets if he thinks this memo is racist. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. How about asking someone targeted by that racist appeal? |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Are you cleaning toilets? The appeal was economic, not racist. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. That is like saying Willie Horton was solely about crime and did not have a racial component! nt |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
25. Racist canard alert |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The dripping disdain for folks of East Indian descent seems pretty palpable to me |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM Original message |
Sorry, I don't see the "dripping disdain" |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
55. it is not just the title |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Exactly nt |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
86. You are trying to fault Obama when she was the one who made the |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. When she made the statement, she was trying to endear herself to east indians |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Amen nt |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Exactly. Moreover he is playing on racism toward East Indians |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I didn't call him a racist... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Yes, it is okay for Obama to use it. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Ok..we'll see how many agree with you... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. They accused her of racism for that remark?!? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Ahem, I, for the record, do not find it the slightest bit racist |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Race-baiting is not racist? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. Clinton will be finished if... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It's already out. We'll check the round of polls next week. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. I wonder how this will effect "South Asians for Obama" chapters across the country? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. I am South Asian (sorry, Barack) |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Despite the fact that I agree with the gist of the article... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. He could have done it without race-baiting but he knows race-baiting wins votes |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Show where Obama said something about race. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Read the memo |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
105. so am i and i don't see how this is racist |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. I will not affect them |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. Lemme see... Obama criticises Clinton for helping and investing in India.. |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. No for pushing for Outsourcing |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. ..to India. See, Indians don't think outsourcing is a bad thing there. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. What is Obama's position on outsourcing? The same as HRC's? |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. You check it out if you want to know |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
71. Okay, so it has hit the Indian press . . . |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. American People should be aware of her stance on Outsourcing jobs. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. Stop the meme that HRC hates America and wants to send jobs overseas |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. You stop the meme about Obama did something Racist when he clearly did not |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Obama is the same as Clinton on trade, or worse n/t |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
94. And so begins the rift that opens |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Al Gore pitched for NAFTA. To hell with him |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Get a grip. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
101. the obama campaign was highlighting the jobs problem with it's memo but, |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Too funny. Obama's people apologize" if taken wrong ... but hell will freeze over before HRC's ... |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
109. "Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality." |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
110. Senator Clinton equates outsourcing with "reality" |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
111. Indian American Group Denounces Obama's Campaign |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
112. The one that's really weak there is the stock ownership. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
113. Obama did more today, acknowledging feelings of Indian-Americans were justified |
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