Hillary's Macaca Moment

[sandnsea]

"I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily"

She's the one who made clear that she had ties to India that made her quite popular there.

Is she now trying to hide her ties to the Indian community? Is she ashamed? Doesn't that make her the racist?


'Such "oppo" pieces are usually sent by campaigns with the disclaimer of "off the record" or "not for attribution," so Mr. Obama would not be linked to it. At least some copies of this document contained no such disclaimer.'

http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/06/obama-oppo-targets-hillarys-india.html

EVERYBODY SENDS OUT OPPO HIT PIECES

[SaveElmer]

1. Hillary apologized...where is Obama's?...

I find it very interesting to see Obama supporters giving up the charade of the Obama campaign practicing a "different kind of politics" so quickly...

[Double T]

12. desperate politicians will resort to desperate tactics...........

specially when their polling numbers are going down.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

15. That is true

But I never thought I would see a leading Dem candidate for president resort to race-baiting. :sad:

[sandnsea]

14. How many times is that now?

The gas station comment, Senator Tomato, I know there's another recent comment she had to apologize for. How can it be the Obama campaigns fault that Hillary says all this stuff?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

2. HRC stands up for ethnics. She represents NEW YORK

She wasn't talking about ties to India but rather her strong record of support for Indian-Americans. HRC represents perhaps the most diverse state in the nation. She stands up for Indian-Americans just like she does for Italian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Greek-Americans, etc.

[sandnsea]

6. What about Palestinian Americans?

Does she not support Palestinian Americans? Would she say she could be elected Senator of Palestine? No?? Oh, then she must not be talking about something else when she refers to Punjab.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

8. She has the same position on Israel-Palestine that Obama does

The Clintons at least have a record of seeking peace in Israel-Palestine. The Obama track record on the matter consists of blaming the Palestinians for all their problems, a right-wing neocon frame... ;)

Would HRC say she could get elected in Israel, Italy, Greece, etc.? She could make the same point given her record.

==Oh, then she must not be talking about something else when she refers to Punjab.==

In order to believe that you must believe that HRC hates America and wants to send all our jobs overseas. You also have to ignore that state she represents and her strong record on Indian-Americans. What is Obama's record on Indian-Americans?

[sandnsea]

16. She doesn't give a shit about our jobs

That's the entire point of the background info. The Clintons are globalizers.

[aquart]

18. Then say THAT. ASK her about job creation HERE.

But the backhanded way you've brought this up? Slime, pure slime. You aren't interested in her positions, only the smear.

And not one word about how Obama will create and protect American jobs. Not from you.

Obama's supporters will destroy him.

[Ethelk2044]

34. You call this Slime Hillary's Supporters have been doing nothing but putting Slime

out against Obama on DU for weeks.

[sandnsea]

40. The Clinton camp brought this up

They're the ones who chose to spin a statement about Hillary's ties to India into a racial hoopla over HER Punjab joke. :crazy:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

19. She has the same position on outsourcing that the "mystery candidate" Obama does

The point was twofold: 1) Take advantage of racism. This is classic, Obama clearly is well-versed in the "old politics" and the politics of division, er, "unity". By implying his opponent is in the pocket of an ethnic group he hopes to capitalize on racist feelings toward that group. 2) To paint HRC as an advocate of outsourcing (while hoping that his cult of personality will prevent people from looking at his actual platform and record)

[sandnsea]

41. YOU are a friggin' Edwards supporter

Smearing Obama because you think it will help Edwards.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

48. No. I am a South Asian outraged at Obama's racist appeal

You know, as Obama himself would be outraged if a candidate made an appeal to anti-black racism. Obama should be the last candidate to appeal to racism.

You are a Kerry supporter. Kerry, who is not a political neophyte, has never used racism to further his political ambitions during his long career of public service. Obama lasted barely 2 years in primetime before resorting to Willie Horton-style politics... :eyes:

[sandnsea]

54. Like Hillary is doing??

Like she did with her "no black America" spin?? Like she did with Obama "not being black enough" garbage. She's the one that does this.

Listen. Edwards isn't going to win. If you're choosing Hillary over Obama, that's fine. But know beyond a shadow of a doubt that when you bash Obama you're guaranteeing a Hillary win.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

63. When did HRC do those things?

It is ironic to see a Kerry supporter write-off Edwards this early. Kerry was tied with Sharpton in the national polls in November of 2003 and was in the single digits before Iowa. How did that turn out? The lesson from Kerry's run is that it isn't over until it's over!

[aquart]

68. We aren't voting for "who's going to win" in the primaries.

That's a disgusting, specious reason to vote for anyone.

We are voting for OUR CHOICE to lead the nation. Your choice. MY choice. If other people see what I see, my candidate will win the nomination. If not, it's a damn good slate and I'll cope with who I get.

And I won't go around slurring and slamming to distort the choice available. "Macaca moment" is a sick, deliberate attempt to make Hillary racist by linking her to what SOMEONE ELSE SAID. It's sleazy. And the more you repeat it, the sleazier it gets. If your candidate can't win without this, eewwwww.

[JI7]

75. i'm South Asian and i like Obama

calling him racist on this is just bs. and you are doing it because you think it would help Edwards. fucking pathetic.

were Democrats appealing to racism when they opposed the port security deal in the UAE ?

[Ethelk2044]

77. Trying to help Edwards by slandering Obama will not work

[sandnsea]

39. wrong place

[Ethelk2044]

57. Hillary Clinton makes a "senator from Punjab" joke she said it do not blame him.

[aquart]

17. Palestinians a large ethnic minority here?

And, dear heart, I don't believe that saying you are popular in an Indian state is the same as using a known slur for African-American. Do YOU believe it is?

Obama's supporters will destroy him.

[sandnsea]

44. Her multiple slurs are

She does it time and time again.

And to much of America, joking about being elected in India will not go over well at all. That is the Macaca moment to which I was referring. Just wait and see what happens with this clip if she wins the nomination.

Oh, and stop with the personal attacks.

[aquart]

67. Who's going to disseminate that clip?

I wonder.

[Ethelk2044]

21. With your logic George Allen should still be in the Senate

[draft_mario_cuomo]

26. How? He lost partly because of ethnic opposition to him

Let's hope the same thing happens to Obama.

[JI7]

73. Illinoise is diverse also

and how does supporting outsourcing show support for indian americans. i mean, it doesn't even help most people in India.

[Ethelk2044]

3. Let me get this Right HIllary Said the Words, but they Are try to Blame Obama

It figures

[SaveElmer]

13. Yeah you might want to pay attention...

Hillary's speech was made two years ago, to an Indian-American audience. She made an attempt at a joke that was in poor taste, apologized, and was forgiven by the group to whim it was uttered...

And oh, btw, has the overwhelming political support of Indian-Americans..


Obama's memo was revealed today...

Two entirely different things...course juding by your quote of the discredited Madrassa issue, you pay very little attention to the news...

[Ethelk2044]

4. It is her Macaca Moment

[draft_mario_cuomo]

5. Standing up for ALL Americans is a "macaca moment"?

HRC should not represent all New Yorkers? Can the Obama campaign furnish us with a list of REAL AMERICANS that are worthy of representation? I thought the Democratic Party was the party of equal rights, the party of all Americans, not just select groups.

[Ethelk2044]

9. Regardless the words came out of her mouth Enough Said

[draft_mario_cuomo]

11. What is wrong with touting your support among ethnics?

Are non-ethnic whites and blacks the only Americans "worthy" of representation?

[aquart]

22. What were the bad words? Please tell me. I seem to have missed them.

And if you think you can smear and dismiss it with "enough said," you just ain't been at DU long enough.

[SaveElmer]

7. Yes it has had so much effect.... in the two years or so since it was uttered...

That she was reelected overwhelmingly and has the overwhelming support of the Indian-American community...

C'mon...you can come up with something better than this...

[Ethelk2044]

10. New York is one thing Presidential Race is another

[rinsd]

20. Yes. And she's the undisputed frontrunner of the Presidential race (nt)

[aquart]

24. No, actually they can't.

And they want to sooo much.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

29. Notice how there is not a SINGLE post today on Obama's record on outsourcing

HRC is being crucified for *gasp*, come closer kids, having the support of, of, of, brown ethnics in NY! Yes, HRC is an advocate of globalization. She is being criticized for that too. However, it is telling that in all the posts on the matter today we have not seen a single post from Obama backers on his position on outsourcing. Any guesses as to why this is the case? ;)

[aquart]

69. Oh, you noticed that, too.

[kdmorris]

23. I don't get it

How is this quote anywhere close to calling an Indian political staffer a monkey? How is this Hillary Clinton's "Macaca Moment"? Having ties to India or saying what she said is a far cry from insulting a person because of his ethnicity?

[durrrty libby]

37. It's not a Macca moment, but it is caca

It is horse shit, pure and stinky

[kdmorris]

65. Oh.

Well, the TITLE of the OP is "Hillary's Macaca Moment". Which is what I don't get.

[ElizabethDC]

58. I don't get it either.

Seems to me like she was merely touting her Indian-American support (which is fine with me.) :shrug:

[goodhue]

25. Everybody may send out oppo hit pieces

But not everybody sends out racist oppo hit pieces, such as this . . .
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo1.pdf

[Ethelk2044]

27. Again Clnton is the one that said the Words. You have a problem with the words Contact

the Clinton Camapaign.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

31. So much for a "new kind of politics" and "unity" (South Asians need not apply...) nt

[William769]

28. Most people that have a "Macaca Moment" Don't lead in the polls.

Nuff said on that matter.

[Ethelk2044]

30. He leading is eroding.

[William769]

35. Yes his lead is eroding.

:rofl:

[terisan]

32. Why do you think that is a racist sentence ? Do you think people in India are inferior ?

[goodhue]

33. This is a brilliant question.

Certainly Clinton did not think so when she made her statement, but the Obama memo leaves a different impression.

[DURHAM D]

38. So then I guess the question for the Obama supporters has to be -

Who is the racist? Does he think they are inferior? What race does he believe them to be?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

49. Obama supporters? nt

[draft_mario_cuomo]

50. Exactly nt

[DURHAM D]

36. I have been reading through the post and

trying to figure out what "race" was offended.

I hope someone answers both of us.

[sandnsea]

46. Ask the Hillary people - they're saying it's racist n/t

[draft_mario_cuomo]

51. I don't support Hillary nt

[Ethelk2044]

56. Hillary Clinton makes a "senator from Punjab" joke now they are

trying to say Obama said or did something when he did not.

[sandnsea]

45. She is the one calling it racist -

Is she embarrassed that she said she could be elected Senator of Punjab?? She's the one raising a stink over the statement and calling it racist. That's my question. Why.

[sellitman]

42. How old are the posters in this thread?

Does the term "a childish thread" nail it or what?

Moving on.....

[DURHAM D]

43. Good Grief - I just read the release.

Amateur time. Truly pathetic political work.

I have been inside of political campaigns and watched as communication staffers foolishly tried to make a story out of a non-story about an opponent. The press turns on the candidate in a heartbeat and begins to ridicule and poke fun at everything coming from the campaign.

Pushing that story was a major blunder. Someone needs to be shown the door.

[Marie26]

60. Pretty lame

Beyond the racism & nastiness, it's the incompetence that really bothers me. They didn't even bother to create a front group for their slander campaign? Shoddy workmanship. Are they really this desperate?

[ProSense]

47. That wasn't her M-word moment.

this was.

But it's old news.

[sandnsea]

52. She's had several

Really. She's the one who made the Punjab statement, and she's the one who is now calling it racist. I guess she's embarrassed of having Indian support. :shrug:

[Ethelk2044]

55. She talks out of both sides of her mouth

[aquart]

70. Tag team!

Chapter and verse, ducks. With links. Got any? No? Just sloppy targeted insults? Why is that?

[kdmorris]

66. OK, yeah.. now THAT I get

That's pretty fucked up.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

53. Ok folks, let's settle this once and for all:

Obama and Clinton are BOTH "globalizers."

Jesus, thought people would figure it out by now.

[Marie26]

59. This really makes me think less...

of Obama.

[Ethelk2044]

61. It is no more than the hit piece on Obama

[Marie26]

62. I have no idea what you're talking about.

If an Obama supporter posted this, IMO it's not doing him any favors. Hit pieces tend to turn off people who aren't already supporters.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

64. Sent by the Obama campaign itself? nt

[aquart]

72. Link?

[aquart]

71. Obama's supporters will destroy him.

Which causes me to wonder if that is, in fact, what they really are.

I mean, who turns such ineptitude loose, except our George?

[William769]

76. I would love to answer that, but my post would get deleted.

[JI7]

74. is it racist when we criticize Bush for his saudi arabia buddies

and oppose the port security deal in the UAE ?