Obama slingling mud at Bill Clinton before Fathers Day..

[Tellurian]

Obama Campaign Circulating Negative (And Ultimately False) Story About Bill Clinton

By Greg Sargent

We've just obtained an email that shows that the Obama campaign yesterday circulated a negative, and ultimately false, story about Bill Clinton -- that he allegedly made money giving a speech on September 11, 2006.

Campaigns, of course, circulate negative stuff about each other all the time. This email is unusual in that it is flagging something potentially negative not about a primary rival but about the former President -- one who obviously isn't running in the Democratic primary and who remains popular with Dem primary voters.


Indeed, the email is particularly noteworthy in that it reflects one of the curiosities of this race -- that one of the candidates' spouses is a popular former President, and thus is playing a highly visible role in the campaign, making him a target for anonymous attacks from Hillary's rivals.

The email, which was sent out by Jen Psaki of the Obama campaign and circulated to reporters (not us) on an off-the-record basis late yesterday, details some things that the Obama campaign found in Hillary's financial disclosure documents, which were released yesterday.

More after the jump.

Full Story..

...The Observer's Politicker blog thoroughly debunked the story, pointing out that Bill's schedule proved that he'd actually given the speech the night before, on Sept. 10.

[NYCGirl]

1. So people who are fathers are off limits BEFORE Father's Day?

:eyes:

And, Heaven Forfend, someone discuss things that ARE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD! How dare they!

[William769]

3. I think that the Hypocrisy here was the statement of the type of campaign Obama was going to run.

Was being the key word.

[NYCGirl]

9. You'd better watch it. Obama is a father with two beautiful little daughters.

You're attacking Obama on Fathers' Day!

[William769]

18. Thats an attack?

If you say so.

[NYCGirl]

21. Sure, accusing someone of mudslinging is an attack. And on FATHER'S DAY,

too!
















:rofl:

[Tellurian]

53. WORKABLE LINK..

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jun/15/obama_campaign_circulating_negative_story_about_bill_clinton

[NYCGirl]

55. And here's a link

to Clinton's original disclosure:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf

[draft_mario_cuomo]

79. Exactly. Why is this so difficult to grasp? nt

[Tellurian]

6. Except the public record showed Obama's claim to be a LIE! Oopsey!

[NYCGirl]

7. Actually, it isn't a lie — OOPSEY right back!

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/06/bill_and_hill_theyre_rich_and.html

Bill and Hillary Clinton — who famously didn't even own a home when they moved into the White House — now have assets someplace between $10 and $50 million, according to Senate financial-disclosure forms released today. Even better: Last year alone, Bill earned more than $10 million giving speeches. The report lists a whole bunch of talks given for hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop, including one of our favorites, a quick jaunt through Australia and New Zealand last year that netted a cool $750,000 for those three days away from Chappaqua. But here's the best one: The disclosure form lists a speech to a Hong Kong investment bank on September 11, 2006, the fifth anniversary of the attacks. The former-president's spokesman, Jay Carson, clarifies that the speech was actually a teleconference — which means it was only September 10 in New York, where Clinton was actually speaking. It also means Clinton earned $100,000 without even leaving the house. "The vast majority of speeches were given in person," Carson assures us. —Geoffrey Gray

[Tellurian]

30. What are you smokin? It was September 10th..no matter how you slice it..

what part of that don't you understand?

"The former-president's spokesman, Jay Carson, clarifies that the speech was actually a teleconference — which means it was only September 10 in New York, where Clinton was actually speaking. It also means Clinton earned $100,000 without even leaving the house. "The vast majority of speeches were given in person," Carson assures us. —Geoffrey Gray"

Is Obama's team of researchers THAT incompetent?

[NYCGirl]

37. It was Sept. 10th where Clinton was, and Sept. 11th where it was received.

And in the Clinton's own reporting, it was listed as Sept. 11th.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf

[jefferson_dem]

75. Depends on what the definition of "was" is...

Slimy, smarmy Clinton-speak.

Yea! Four more years of that's surely the elixir this country needs now... :sarcasm:

[LiberalFighter]

48. Maybe one of the Bayh Camp graduate is the researcher

You know how those Hoosiers get confused about Indiana in two different time zones.

[rodeodance]

32. — which means it was only September 10 in New York, (and oopsy back to you)

[Tellurian]

35. which means it wasn't Sep 11th 2006...as was claimed by Obama's camp...hello!

[NYCGirl]

38. So Hillary Clinton's disclosure forms were wrong?

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf

[Tellurian]

41. No, but you are!

as incomprehensible as that may be, you are!

and the fact that your chosen candidate and his team do sloppy oppo research and you approve of it, is as well.

[NYCGirl]

43. I've produced a link for the forms — read it.

"CSLA Ltd. (Spouse) Hong Kong Speech 9/11/06 $100,000"

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf


I'm asking you — is that mistaken?

Edited to add: Al Gore's team does sloppy oppo research? They'd better get it together, if they want to win.

:evilgrin:

[Tellurian]

57. If the Obama Team doesn't know by now, you must double-check

information for accuracy before you plan a smear...

Leno will probably wait a while and use them in a "dumb criminals" segment.. I'm sure they have yet to learn anything.

[NYCGirl]

58. Well, Senator Clinton signed those papers, so they must be correct or she

wouldn't have signed them, right?

[Tellurian]

61. I'm not into blaming the victim...I don't believe in it! never did!

A transparent tactic for people attempting to "save face"..

[NYCGirl]

63. Did she or did she not sign the disclosure forms? Are they correct?

And I really hate people getting caught and then playing the victim.

[Tellurian]

64. nevertheless..shoddy research..

[NYCGirl]

65. There's her signature on the first page — right next to the stamp of the Secretary

of the Senate.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf

Edited to add: And editing your original post won't help. Her signature is still there.

[Tellurian]

67. Look at it this way...

The speech was done on the 10th. All the evidence points to; if Obama's oppo team had done the research, found out that Bill taped the speech, they would have known he didn't give a speech on the 11th...and they wouldn't have mud in their eye now. Apparently, Hillary's signing was a landmine waiting to happen and they fell for it..haha..

as I said before...shoddy research will bite you in the ass everytime..

[NYCGirl]

68. He didn't tape the speech — it was a teleconference. So I guess Hillary's word

is not to be believed (as evidenced by her signature on the papers).

[Tellurian]

69. Really, you're grasping at straws..

your hero pooped in his pants...and now you've got a mess to clean up..

Think about it as if it were a Civil Case Matter..and who's right and who's wrong..

Your guys loses big time!

[NYCGirl]

70. No, I have the proof:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf

The evidence is right there in black and white. You have a mess to clean up.

Al Gore pooped in his pants? Where?

[Tellurian]

72. haha.. I knew you were being silly...

don't waste you're time defending Obama...he's not worth the trouble. HE'LL DISAPPOINT YOU IN THE END.

seriously, in court if you were to put a monetary amount on damages, you'd lose big time..

[NYCGirl]

77. LOL! Hillary's signature isn't worth the paper it's signed on.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/HRC_Disclosure_1.pdf

[Tellurian]

81. Only to Obama's smear team...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

stupid pet tricks! :rofl:

[zanne]

2. Some people are really trying hard to smear Obama here....

Every day, there's at least one story from a Hillary supporter trying to stir things up. I'm a volunteer for Obama in NH and we're always told NOT to be negative, that we're
ALL on the SAME SIDE. Posting things like this really doesn't help the Hillary campaign; it makes you look bad.

[William769]

4. To bad other Obama supporters on DU don't follow that example.

And really to bad The Obama Campaign also doesn't.

[zanne]

8. Please give me some examples.

I'd love to see something with a grain of fact in it.

[William769]

14. Here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3320451&mesg_id=3320866

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3319973&mesg_id=3320048

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3319787&mesg_id=3320004

This is just a sampleing, there is plenty more (these were just easily on hand).

ON EDIT: Was that enough "grain of fact" for you?

[zanne]

22. William 769; You feel strongly about Obama, but....

All you can provide is your opinion and some unproven allegations.
Something tells me you're letting favoritism get in your way. If Hillary (or any other Democrat) wins in the primary, of course I'll vote for that person. It's not like I'll stay home or vote Republican, for chrissake. It isn't a war, OK? I'm not the enemy.

[William769]

24. What does that have to do with what you asked me?

You wanted examples, I gave them to you.

I never said you were the enemy, I just don't like it when someone say something sarcastic and when given the information backs off.

[zanne]

28. Then I won't bother you again.

It's a long time till the actual primary and I'm in it for the long haul.

[nevergiveup]

12. There are the

good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful on all sides. Initially this site was deluged with trash Hillary posts and now we have moved on to trash Obama posts. These negative posts are all equally depressing. I support Obama but will work hard for Hillary or Edwards if either become the nominee. Can you say the same if Obama is the nominee?

[William769]

15. I have stated repeatedly that I will support the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is.

But there are Obama supporters that cannot say the same.

[Tellurian]

59. Have no fear of Obama being the nominee..

If his campaign is making these rookie mistakes during a presidential bid because he's 20-22 pts behind in the polls..the incompetence is a wee bit too obvious. We're facing big problems needing resolution. Obama is showing us early on, he's not capable of running a First Class campaign for the highest office in the land nor does he take this responsibility seriously.

I will support whoever the Dem nominee is..

[Tellurian]

34. What Obama tells you and what he himself does are two different things..

IOW...He's telling you..He'll do the negatives and the smearing HIMSELF!

The proof is right there at the top of this page!

[Tellurian]

5. More sleaze politics coming from Obama...head of the Ethics Commission..

Oh, the Irony of a proponent of Ethics, who apparently thinks Ethics are a One Way Street!

Obama wants a clean campaign. Why all the mud Obama? Too busy slinging mud at other candidates?..

Clue phone, Obama...do a fact check first. We can deal with the Truth...The Mud...may be your own!

Wow..just Wow..We need another hypocrite in the WH like we need more of your proposed Coal CO2 in the atmosphere!

[zanne]

10. Why do you dislike him so much?

Is it because you're a Hillary supporter, or do you have other reasons?

[Tellurian]

17. Obama is a fraud, a Lie, and a phony..

I would hope that if and when he plants his attacks on Edwards, the Edwards people will be just as relentless to expose Obama for the presumptuous Liar and false hope he's peddling to Americans. Obama is a neoconic shill. It's practically out in the open now and will be more apparent as time goes by.

The more his baseless smears attack Hillary, the more virulent her supporters will become to refute the lies and innuendo. Better get used to it, this is just the beginning..!

[zanne]

19. Please give me some examples.

It's quite obvious you don't like him, but what particularly disturbs you, aside from the generalizations you already gave me?

[Tellurian]

26. Don't you remember Obama announcement speech?

He said he wanted to avoid the "smallness of politics"...above is a sterling example of how soon he's gone back on his word..Spreading outright lies! If you spread a lie like that wouldn't your conscience say a sincere apology is in order?

If you really don't remember here is an article from Feb/07..

As anyone not living in a cave surely knows, Obama launched his campaign for president last weekend by deriding the "smallness of our politics" and promising to change the tone of political discourse in America. But with Hillary Clinton leading Obama by an average of nearly 20 points in the six major polls taken so far this year, will Obama be able to close the gap over the coming year without playing hardball? And how can he attack Clinton without looking small himself and undermining the core rationale for his candidacy?"

more here.

[liberalnurse]

11. Obama is trying to equate himself with President Clinton...

that's all.....No attention will be given to any mud he slings at President Clinton....Not enough momentum behind his pitch.

[Tellurian]

87. If Obama and Prez Clinton

were in a room alone together, I actually think he could cause Obama to have a nervous breakdown. I know Obama is afraid of Hillary...but he would avoid BC like the plague, shakin in his boots, he is...and for sure, he knows by now, he's way in over his head.

[sidwill]

13. Hmm... more Anti-Obama stuff from the Clintonistas?

Seems like I can't log on to DU anymore without reading an anti Obama post by a Clinton fan.

Besides the point that the Clinton's are pure as the driven snow let's not all forget one very important point.

If William Jefferson Clinton had not gone on national TV and LIED to us, to our faces, George W. Bush would be sitting in Texas probably selling used cars.

Clinton's excesses turned a shoo in Gore succession, into enough of a horse race that Bushco was able to steal an election and for what? So he could get his knob shined by a girl young enough to be his daughter?

And now what do we see here on this most progressive of boards, a daily assault by the corporatist Clintons on Barack Obama seeking to paint him as being as politicaly slimey and driven as Hil and Bill are.

Well good luck with that.

[Tellurian]

20. You're TOO used to seeing Hillary Hater posts..

I don't hate Obama. He just needs to be opened up to the light and subject to the same scrutiny as everyone else.

[William769]

23. Amen to that!

[Dawgs]

62. You do hate Obama.

You spend more time attacking a Democratic candidate than supporting yours. Your embarrassing yourself again.

[jefferson_dem]

76. Their goal. Drag all other candidates down to their "bottom feeder" level...

trying to confuse voters about the character question.

No worries. As i posted in another thread, we shouldn't underestimate the reasoning skills of the American public. They know who has the real "character problem."

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-40,GGLJ:en&q=do+not+trust+hillary+clinton

[BeyondGeography]

16. Goooooooooood morning Vietnam to you too

Are you running out of material? This is several days old now. Go out and have yourself a nice Sunday, now, ya hear?

[William769]

27. Whitwater was back in the 90's! and thats still being used!

Talk about not having material!

:rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

25. Not only is this story days old already,

but there are all these responses to a post with a non-working link? Something tells me no matter what the link was supposed to go to, some posters would say the same things to any issue exposed between these two. :shrug:

[William769]

29. Where is there a non working link?

[Patsy Stone]

31. The OP

When I click on the "full story" link, I get this:

The address is not valid

Most likely causes:
There might be a typing error in the address.
If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date.

What you can try:
Retype the address.

Go back to the previous page.

[William769]

33. Oops. I missed that one.

I thought you were referring to one in the thread.

[Tellurian]

36. The Link is working fine..

here is the address in case you can't get it..

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jun/15/obama_campaign_circulating_negative_story_about_bill_clinton

[Patsy Stone]

39. Thanks.

But the original is not working fine. It's working for you, because the original page is in your cache. If you mouse over your link in the OP, you'll see it ends with "obama_campaign_circulating_negative_story_about_bill_clin"

This link you just sent ends with "obama_campaign_circulating_negative_story_about_bill_clinton"

That "on" is kinda important. :)

[Tellurian]

54. Thanks, Patsy..

I agree! Thanks for the catch! :hi:

[madrchsod]

40. i can`t figure out why everyone gets so upset

according to every poll published so far, hillary is so far ahead that obama is just wasting his time. i think he should drop out now so he can get back to representing the people of illinois.

[William769]

42. I'm taking that as sarcasm. Am I right?

Even though I don't like him, I don't think he should drop out.

[madrchsod]

46. yes----- i don`t have no of those little sarcasm things

i`ll have to borrow one

[Tellurian]

44. Actually, you're right!

Obama is falling to 20-22 pts behind Hillary in the polls.

He doesn't have the goods to deliver, never did and the reason he's so slow getting out his positions on important issues.. Same thing with his Senate race. He was 20pts behind 3 wks before the election until his oppo team used the smears on them! His run was against 2 candidates destroyed by his oppo team who's numbers were virtually nil before election day... He got himself a free ride...wonder why?

It's coming out now about the smears used against his Primary and GE opponents for getting him elected to the Senate.

From the same team he's using now.

on edit...First thing Obama did after starting the Ethics Commission is this:

"To avoid manipulation of the commission for political purposes, any person filing a complaint that they knew to be false would be subject to a fine and/or imprisonment. No complaints could be filed against a member of Congress for 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election."

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/

nice, after wiping out two of his opponents before the Senatorial election. He invents an "Ethic's Commission" with Rules stating a caveat, "you're not allowed to do what I did before my (election) race, to my opponents."!

[Hippo_Tron]

83. Wait you're saying he had to use a smear team to beat Alan Keyes in the General Election?

I think Alan Keyes just opening his mouth helped Obama more than any smear team could.

[Tellurian]

86. Not really...

Obama has never won a race on his own steam, and the way he's dropping in the polls, I don't have to wonder why..His team smeared both the Primary candidate and the GE candidate..just before election day.. nice...really, hamhanded,juvenile stuff..kroike!

[LiberalFighter]

45. Why should September 11 be a sacred day?

Next thing you know everyone will be required to bow down and pray towards the WTC 6 times a day.

If there is a problem with making money giving a speech on September 11 then it should apply to everyone. There should also be a problem with ANYONE working on September 11.

[madrchsod]

47. why do you hate america?

[LiberalFighter]

49. Because there are too many Republicans and idiots?

[acmavm]

50. I absolutely LOVE these Clinton/Clinton/Obama flame fests...

I don't like any of 'em so this is pure entertainment.

[Forkboy]

78. Hear hear.

It's like watching two groups of feces flinging monkeys going at it.

[TeamJordan23]

51. Yawn....Recycled News Story that has already been discussed a few days ago

Nice one Tellurian!

[Tellurian]

52. Obama's been pumping out these smear so fast...it's hard keeping up..

Do you think I enjoy this?

I'd much rather be talking about Hillary's accomplishments than defending her against your candidate's smears!..

[TeamJordan23]

56. Okay, but you don't deny it is a recycled posting that was discussed here two days ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3318492

And the article is from June 15th.

[Tellurian]

66. Do you deny your candidate is attempting to smear the Clintons?

answer me first.. then I'll answer you..

[TeamJordan23]

71. I do believe a staffer did, but not Obama personally

Obama has been busy fundraising and doing speeches the past couple days to know about all the oppossition research his staffers are doing.

Are you also saying that oppossition research is not done by Hillary and Co.? It is a part of politics, it is another thing if you use it in a malicous way.

Obama never used anything in the memos to personally attack Hillary or Bill.

[Tellurian]

82. Of course not him personally...

But Of course Obama gave the order to release the memo. The staffer's name was on it. If he didn't give the order, the staffer would have been fired for cause and there would have been a press release just as there was for the Edwards flap, over the telemarketer early on after he announced he was running.

The attack was directed at Bill, meant to embarrass him. Didn't you read the OP? Funny how things turn out though..when the expected intent, blows up in his face. (now we 're just supposed to forgetaboutit) boo-hoo, for Bama!

I'm sure Hillary has oppo researchers on the payroll...If they were as incompetent as 'Obama's Gang that Can't Shoot Straight'... they'd be gone in a heartbeat and an apology issued to the intended victim.

All I can say is, daily, Obama and his team seem like they haven't got a clue. The Right hand doesn't know what the Left hand is doing..Obama's becoming an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. But...as you all think, experience doesn't matter..

And I will vote for whoever the nominee is...

[Patsy Stone]

60. I don't hate dirty politics.

And I never believed that anyone would try and avoid them, no matter what they said. Maybe that makes me a jaded cynic. What I do hate is sloppy politics. And this story, as well as the one about the adivser who came out for a Libby pardon, is sloppy politics. America likes people who play dirty, they just want them to play dirty smart, and win.

FWIW, I took Obama's "smallness of politics" remark to mean the divisive wedge-issues that the GOP have used to convince Americans to vote against their own best interests.

Disclaimer: This reply is not meant as an endorsement for any particular candidate. I will vote for the Democrat over the Republican, no matter who it is.

[illinoisprogressive]

73. Oh, poor little bill's feelings got hurt??? tough!

[Ethelk2044]

74. The Clintons have been playing dirty politics for awhile now.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

80. How can Obama continue his hypocritical self-righteous preaching? nt

[ripple]

85. Aren't you an Edwards supporter?

And you are calling Obama a hypocrite? :rofl:

Clinton and Edwards folks are doing their best to tag Obama with labels they have earned themselves. This has been more than evident over the past week on DU.

[ripple]

84. You link doesn't work

any more than your outrageous smears work to help your candidate. Even if Hillary were persuasive enough to make me want to support her, I'd rather swallow nails than join ranks with such despicably hateful people as a few of her supporters on DU.

WTF does Father's Day have to do with anything, particularly given Bill's reputation as such an upstanding, committed family man? :eyes: