Hillary-supporters: why do you trust your candidate?

[More Than A Feeling]

I don't trust her, but I'm wondering if there are any good reasons that I haven't thought of to trust her. Can anyone help me out?

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[illinoisprogressive]

2. why do you say that. as an Obama supporter I stick up for Edwards, et.al.

except for Hillary.

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[jmp]

Some would argue that ...

Free trade and the transfer of wealth from relatively wealthy middle class and working poor Americans to the hands of more impoverished foreigners IS very progressive.

Not that I would.

[bonito]

14. That's true and we all see it as well, smoke screen alert

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463

Put the facts in your post, stops them every time.

Way too many mature folks here that can't be fooled by the pitches they toss, or even the runs they fake.

[sandnsea]

26. I've known most since the 2003 primary

Most of the Hillary supporters have been around DU for a very very long time. There's a few new people. But they aren't all Hillary supporters. And disrupting comes in a variety of flavors.

[liberalnurse]

27. I support Hillary

and have been here since Jan. 02.

[More Than A Feeling]

28. Why do you trust her? n/t

[liberalnurse]

30. Well, I trust me ...

and Hillary reminds me of " Me".

[More Than A Feeling]

31. Oh, I see. Well, thanks for answering!

Hillary does not remind me of me, so that doesn't help...

[wyldwolf]

37. then you apparently were very selective in the posts you read

[rinsd]

40. 6 month ago, we were doing candidate polls?

[MadBadger]

3. How bout you give reasons of why you dont trust her

Im sure there are some, but I think you should be the first one to give examples.

[az chela]

6. Also when they leeft the white house they were broke and borrow millions of dollars to

buy the house they have and now are worth 50 million dollars

[emilyg]

9. I borrowed to buy my house

nothing wrong with that

[az chela]

15. Do you now have 50 million dollars??????

Hillary was on the board of Walmarts for years as their attorney and made them a lot of money so they could sell their products made in sweat shops back to this country and take away our jobs

[paulk]

35. you mischaracterize her tenure at Walmart

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/05/20/in_boardroom_hillary_clinton_pushed_for_women/

since your hobby is reading....

[More Than A Feeling]

48. Thank you for posting that.

It was a good article.

[Hippo_Tron]

29. Former Presidents have the ability to make a ton of money

I'm sure Bill can only accept a small fraction of the speaking invitations he's offered and thus he can charge a ton of money for them.

Apparently it wasn't always like that, though. Congress created the Former Presidents Act in 1958 establishing Presidential Pensions when they found out that Harry Truman was answering his own mail because he couldn't afford to hire someone to do it for him.

[More Than A Feeling]

7. Why?

I didn't start this thread to slam Hillary. I started it to hear positive things from her supporters. Is that a problem?

[rinsd]

41. Your tone is hardly seeking positives.

Why do you trust your candidate because I don't trust her on anything is flamebait.

You could have phrased your thread "What do Hillary supporters trust her most on?" is you wanted to be positive.

[More Than A Feeling]

46. Maybe, but I got the positives I wanted anyway.

[az chela]

4. I never liked Hillary!!!!!!!!!She controlled Bill and convinced him

that he better do as she says as she stood by him with the Monica scandal.
She wants money and power and will do anything to get it.I dont think Bill was like that in the beginning ,he was compassionate,fun loving down to earth guy but Hillary now has him supporting anything she wants and he is now one of bush's buddies and she is as dangerous as bush

[jmp]

8. The Clintons ...

Have a track record to judge them by. It's a good bet that Hillary will govern much as Bill did. Obama and Edwards are more of a leap of faith.

The 90s didn't seem so bad then ... and they look even better now.

[az chela]

10. Have you forgotten that Bill passed the NAFTA AND GATT ACT

and outsourced over half the jobs in this country which set into motion the end of the middle class???

[jmp]

17. Hardly

And I'm no fan of "free" trade. But which viable candidate is going to put a stop to that?

[az chela]

19. We better all hope someone will stop it.Read 'SCREWED"

by Thom hartman and get the real facts of what is happening to this country.We are in BIG TROUBLE

[jmp]

22. Only a popular revolt can stop "free" trade. (nm)

...

[More Than A Feeling]

21. The key is passing public financing, so corporations lose some of their influence over the process.

[az chela]

24. Then this is what we have to do

[NoPasaran]

44. Funny, I thought it was Congress that passed bills, not Presidents

At least that was the way it worked back in the old days before the Decidership.

And mostly what I remember about the Bill Clinton years was the peace and the prosperity.

[More Than A Feeling]

12. Now that's the sort of thing I was looking for.

I had already thought of Bill Clinton's track record, but not in the context of Obama and Edwards as being more of unknown quantities.

Let's get some more of this!

[blm]

36. They look WORSE now to me - Bush2, 9-11 and this Iraq war wouldn't have happened except

for Bill Clinton's GENEROSITY to Poppy Bush and letting all the outstanding matters of IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning be dropped or downplayed.

And because of the rise of Bush2 every GOOD thing that was done by Clinton and Dems was wiped out within a year by Bush.

You would REALLY trade a few years of prosperity in the 90s for all the debt and carnage of Bush2, 9-11, and Iraq? Because that really is the bottom line result of Clinton's decision to let Poppy and his thugs completely off the hook for all their crimes of office that just happened to be funding and arming the GROWING GLOBAL TERROR NETWORKS.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[mckeown1128]

43. Try to separate the Clintons please...

But if you don't..... I think the 22nd amendment should apply to the "Clintons". 8 years now they are done. You do support the constitution don't you?

[some guy]

11. I guess not.

At least so far. Pity, I'm like you, and thought it was a good question.

Weird responses so far, though.

[More Than A Feeling]

13. Tell me about it. n/t

[Captain_Nemo]

16. Her early work for the Children's Defense Fund. Her feminism. Her support for

public education. Her excellent voting record on Global Warming. Her guts as to having a health care plan that the repubs tore down. Her survival instincts. The backlash against the Clinton's was huge and she suffered through it - they didn't get her on Whitewater (nothing there) and she stood her ground.

She will not capitulate on women's rights or children's rights. She is a huge supporter of keeping the public school system and making it stronger. We need this. I have a little doubt as to her support for corporations. Here I agree with the Obama supporters.
However, I can't vote for Barack because I think he would capitulate on things and I don't see him as being 100% strong on women and children.

I see him as doing what is good for him (as evidenced in the latest memo fiasco..blaming his staff for mistakes, etc) and letting the chips fall where they may.

I see three problems that can bring us down as a species and as a country:
global warming
Iraq
Middle class shrinking (and public schools)

I can't honselty say that Barack can succeed with solving (helping solve) these problems.

The stakes are high. I don't want to be inspired by my president - I want solutions.

[az chela]

18. I do not support anyone this early.!!!!!

Give the swift boaters a year and see where we are at!!!!
Our main concern is bush passing a bill that gives him dictatorial powers to declare martial law and no one in congress voted against it

[More Than A Feeling]

20. It isn't early. First caucus is in seven months, give or take.

[az chela]

23. And what will be exposed in the next few months???

We need to focus on impeaching bush and cheney before sept and they set up another 9/11 so they can declare martial law and let bush be officialy the dictator.No one in Congress tried to stop this!!!!!!!!!!!!

[More Than A Feeling]

25. *shrug* lots of stuff, probably.

and if or when that happens, I'll take that into account. But I don't have one particular focus.

[avrdream]

32. Oh look, another (disguised) Hillary bashing thread!

I'm soooooo excited. NOT.

FYI, she earned my trust in the early 90's when she at least TRIED to address the health care crisis. No one listened and it is a greater crisis today. Point out one other candidate who tried SO LONG AGO to fix this problem.

[More Than A Feeling]

33. Yes, Hillary-bashing, that's why I declined the explicit invitation to do so

from post #3 (See here, where I explicitly state that I don't intend to slam Hillary: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3323232&mesg_id=3323258). That's quite a disguise. But thanks for including a real answer along with your unfounded assumptions.

[KurtNYC]

34. your question assumes that trust is a pre-requisite for support

it isn't.

Here is what I trust: When Hillary Clinton takes office on January 20, 2009 all of the powers that have been assumed by the executive branch over the last 8 years will be stripped away. The GOP will scream and filibuster and let all the 911 laws expire so that Hillary won't have access to the same Constitution-abusing powers that the present admininstration does. The justice department will have a chance to recuperate. Congress and the Executive branch will no longer act as one horrible entity. The compliant media will call everything she does ____-gate ("gate" being their word for impeachable). If that helps get the balance back into our government then it will be worth it. The media has a role now as the 5th branch of government that was never intended by the framers. (the 4th branch is corporations btw; also unintended.)

We aren't picking a saint here so I trust Hillary Clinton to be no more or less a saint than anyone else who is running. And IMHO it would be far better to organize around goals and ideas than around fallible human personalities. A democracy should be idea driven -- not personality driven.

[More Than A Feeling]

45. That's an interesting perspective, and its one I haven't heard before.

Thank you for sharing it.

[pwb]

38. after your post i am not sure i trust you

[dsc]

39. I am not a supporter

but this is why I trust her. One, the record of the 1990's speaks volumes. It is hard to look at now compared to then and not want to take then. Two, she would surround herself with similar people to Bill. For the most part, they were honest good people. In 8 years of office, one person was convicted (Ciscernos) and he was convicted of lying to the FBI about a personal matter (the amount of money he paid a woman with whom he had an affiar).

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[More Than A Feeling]

47. You know what happens when you assume and try to preemptively shift blame?

You get ignored.