If the Democrats are just as big corporatists as the Republicans...

[LoZoccolo]

...(which I don't believe, by the way), then how come these big donors spend so much money trying to get the Republicans elected? Wouldn't it not matter?

My clever observation makes you go: :crazy:

[CTD]

1. Um, the big donors tend to give pretty equally to both parties.

Don't believe me, look it up.

[ShortnFiery]

2. The only answer is TERM LIMITS: Six Years (both Sen and Rep) and you're out! n/t

[thoughtanarchist]

3. Ooooo.... Term Limits!

That would... um...

That would...

What difference would term limits make?

:freak:

[sabbat hunter]

8. so only 1 term

for senators? that doesnt seem quite right to me.

[The Magistrate]

17. You May Have Heard The Adage, Ma'am

That many problems began life as solutions?

This proposal is one such.

Its two leading draw-backs are these.

First, once elected, and having no need either to court or fear the voters in future, there would be no check possible on the venality with which backers could be repayed.

Second, the churn of new officials wpould strip the legislatures of institutional memory and continuity, which would reside only in the permanent lobbying firms, and in the staffs who the offials would have to look to for guidance in all things. Always, the contest over content and passage of legislation would be between veteran professionals and raw amateur recruits.

"The battle goes not always to the strong, nor the race always to the swift, but that's the way to bet."

[Dr.Phool]

4. They launder the money through the DLC.

[wyldwolf]

9. first it goes through the Illuminati, then through Skull and Bones...

[LoZoccolo]

10. My favorite DLC conspiracy theory is still...

...that the DLC gave the tape of Dean screaming with no crowd noise to the media. I think they might have said that the DLC were the ones controlling the mixing board too.

[LoZoccolo]

11. Found it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3174755#3175038

[Hippo_Tron]

5. They give more to Republicans...

But they do give to both parties. Also, there is a tendency to give to whoever is in power no matter what party they are.

[Vincardog]

6. Does the fixer care who wins? No as long as they are in his pocket.

[Capn Sunshine]

7. well put , Don Vinca

:nuke:

[ulysses]

12. wasn't the very point of the DLC

to wean the party off labor money/needs and open it up to those same big donors?

[LoZoccolo]

14. No. n/t

[wyldwolf]

18. no.

[ulysses]

19. it certainly succeeded though, in your own words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3242946

[depakid]

13. Voting records speak for themselves....

As do public statements and other actions that legitimize and enable corporatist polices.

[LoZoccolo]

15. Do you have any voting records to show us? n/t

[depakid]

16. How many and whose would you like to see?

Would you like a shotgun approach- or a target rifle?

The Bankruptcy bill would be a good place to start. A more egregious and self-defeating piece of legislation would be hard to come by....

[ulysses]

20. your clever response makes him go:

[ulysses]

21. get back up there.

:kick:

[ulysses]

22. and again.

:kick:

I'd really love to see the centrists stand and fight for once.

[Name removed]

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[ulysses]

24. not that this is surprising.

You know full well that some Dems take corporate money. You'd just like to shield them from any kind of real scrutiny.

[ulysses]

25. pity. might have been an enlightening conversation.

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

26. Rules for ulysses.

1. Do not tell me I am sexy: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2138137#2138191
2. Do not call me a motherfucker or any other curse word.
3. Understand that I am not obligated to spend any time here at all.
4. Do not use curse words when I choose not to answer a question to your liking (this is an old rule).

Because you broke rule #5, I will not be answering.

[ulysses]

27. you weren't answering anyway.

3. Understand that I am not obligated to spend any time here at all.

Why do you?

You could answer depakid, though.

[LoZoccolo]

28. He did not answer me.

He was cherry-picking voting records, both along the dimension of persons covered, and bills.

[ulysses]

29. you asked for voting records. he wanted to know whose you wanted.

Sounds like an answer to me.

[LoZoccolo]

30. He made the assertion that the voting records speak for themselves.

It is his case to make.

[ulysses]

31. and he was ready to make it.

You didn't continue the conversation. Maybe I can help, although I'm on the cusp of bedtime here. Whose voting records would help you in your understanding?

[LoZoccolo]

32. All Democratic votes versus all Republican votes, 2004 until now.

That's the only fair comparison. Most of us know that there's a difference, but if someone wants to prove that there's not, they can go ahead.

[ulysses]

33. no.

I don't need to compare all Dem votes to all Repub votes to know if a Dem is voting with the corporations. But you knew that.

[LoZoccolo]

34. Lame. n/t

[ulysses]

35. predictable.

At least you showed up. That's relatively new.