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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:51 PM Original message |
Is Edwards right? Is being from the South a huge advantage for a Democrat? The facts say "yes" |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. The question is whether he can win there, starting with his home state |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That isn't the question. The question is whether his statement was based on reason or bigotry |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Well, you're going to get a lot of answers like mine |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I don't see anthing remotely racist or sexist about what he said |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. It's open to interpretation |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. The Helms comparison was a blunder, I agree |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I want to do both. You ignored the primary issue, his statement today nt |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. He can turn NC against Rudy and McCain |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Key is to Flip Close States |
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DemDogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Edwards clearly has the best chance in states that we have to flip |
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rhombus (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. Both Carter and Clinton were Governors. Edwards isn't |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Dukakis was a Yankee governor; Gore was not a governor |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Of course, Gore had been Vice President. That trumps Governor and Senator. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Let's look at the record of VP's |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. But it certainly helps your recognition factor NATIONALLY, doesn't it? NT |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I agree but it apparently doesn't help sell you to voters |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. "Edwards comments were clearly aimed at appealing to the racist and sexist base" |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. John Kerry crushed Edwards in the South, as Hillary |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. The first issue is what Edwards meant. Was he race and gender baiting? |
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monkeyhq (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Mason-Dixon Poll released today... |
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rhombus (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Good point |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. When the votes were cast didn't he win SC in 04'? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. but he lost many other southern states like Tennessee, Virgnia |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Only Kerry and Edwards won in the South (Edwards won SC and NC) |
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monkeyhq (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Clark beat Edwards... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Clark's narrow win over Edwards in OK helps prove the point |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Edwards lost Oklahoma despite the media being his echo chamber, |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. he isn't doing so well against Hill and Obama right now in the South |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. The argument is about the GE, not the primaries. JRE has won a GE in the south nt |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. of course Primaries matter, there is a reason voting is mostly limited to party members |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
63. NC should not be counted - Edwards was out of the race by then |
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rhombus (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. John Edwards has close to 95% name ID in South Carolina |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
40. standards of influence |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. A lot of people mistake "being from the South" |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
25. So you're suggesting that Southerners are so backwards that they'll only vote for one of their own? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I simply looked at the data. Which facts do you disagree with? nt |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I disagree with the notion that you can draw conclusions from that small a sample size |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. the data also shows Hillary and Obama leading in the South |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. In the general election? Indepedents and repukes vote in the GE too |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. who said that? not the OP. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. 1964 is a pretty arbitrary date to start the tally, don't you think? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. No. That is the year the South switched to the repukes due to civil rights nt |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I could make the case that we should start the count in 1948 |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. It started in 1948 but remained Democratic until after 1964 |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I like Edwards but he wouldn't carry all those Southern states |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Sure. He would give us a shot in those states and win a couple, though |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. One of the reasons that noone seems to be able to successfully challenge Sessions and Shelby in Ala. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
42. Without National Security as part of his resume, John Edwards will not win |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. What is your obsession with Edwards being a white male? |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. Does it count? |
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monkeyhq (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I agree with you. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. So you believe Obama is unelectable? nt |
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monkeyhq (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I don't have an opinion on Obama. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
47. Is having facial hair a huge advantage? The facts say "yes" |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. BRAVO! |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Is there a geographic bloc, culture based on facial hair? |
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ProgressiveAmPatriot (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Of Course, haven't you ever heard of the Mustache belt, and the Beard Region? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Muslims, Amish, Hillbillies and Hippies! n/t |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
54. Nice Work Mario - |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Thanks |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
55. Yes - but not him. |
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ProgressiveAmPatriot (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
57. We are all Democrats, we are all Americans, which is why you should stop posting Obama hit pieces! |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
59. We need a real leader to break this cycle! |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
64. since Edwards failed to carry his state I'd say NO |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Another meme bites the dust |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
66. Elections are always won through the South |
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