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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:27 AM
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WE HAVE A GREAT FIELD OF CANDIDATES

We have a great field of candidates running for the presidency in 08; I have never seen such a great field of qualified people in the democratic primaries.we have male and female,we have people from many sections of the country with great ideas.
NOW IF WE VOTERS AS WELL AS THE CANDIDATES CAN KEEP FROM A SMEARING CAMPAIGN I'M SURE WE WILL WIN THE WHITE HOUSE IN 08,AS WELL AS INCREASING OUR MAJORITY IN BOTH
BRANCHES OF LEGISLATURE!
THINK POSITIVE! THINK DEMOCRAT! THINK NO MORE IRAQ'S!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:28 AM
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1. Well said! :-)
:-)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:34 AM
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2. I heard hillary discuss science education
and I have to admit, despite my reservations, I agreed with everything she said.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:09 PM
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28. What did she say?
I'm a science teacher.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:20 PM
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31. in response to a stupid ?? about intel design, creationism and science,
she said that science should stay as science. Philosophy, social sciences, etc can and should deal with all sorts of issues, but keep science doing what it is doing.
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New Era Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:34 PM
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32. I love that creationist question!
The best answer I've heard so far is why don't why teach medical students that babies come from storks! That fundie nearly shit a brick when she heard that.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:11 PM
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34. wait. You MEAN Babies DON'T come from storks?
man o man.
this is series. My hole lyfe has changed!
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:35 AM
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3. I think part of the problem is the quality
There aren't really any standouts because the quality across the board is so high, so it leaves some people feeling that because there isn't a standout who is obviously better than anyone else, that the whole field is not that good, when in reality, it's a much better field of candidates to choose from that any in recent memory.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:39 AM
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4. Agree! How refreshing it is to have a choice of candidates with
brains! I do not agree with all of their positions but find it refreshing to listen to those who can put forth their message in an intelligent manner.

I will be so glad to get rid of our current moron. Not only can he not construct a complete sentence on his own, I doubt he could spell the word 'sentence'.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:44 AM
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5. So true!
They're all top-notch and the Republicans have no candidates with as much popularity. I do support one of them above the others, but I'll be proud to vote for any of them in the general election.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:45 AM
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6. Sure - If You Like Republicans
This bunch, at least the frontrunners, are pretty far to the right. Two of the three voted for (or co-sponsored) an insane war, endorsed permanent 'free' trade with China, voted for 'Patriot' Acts, voted for hiddeous bankruptcy bills, and so forth.

To me, being a Democrat is not simply sucking a little less than the Republicans - rather, it is forwarding the agenda of the average Joe and Jane.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:53 AM
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10. In that case I hope you are watching MSNBC -
live Dem candidate forum before union audience.

They seem to be pretty excited about what all of the Dems are saying about Joe and Jane.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:14 AM
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14. SAYING - Not DOING
Of course they say pretty things. Their voting records say otherwise.

Until Americans look at records, not rhetoric, we are lost.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:24 AM
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17. Oh Manny -
Every four years all citizens have a responsibility to inform themselves, engage in the process and make a choice.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:34 AM
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18. And I Have A Responsibility
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 09:40 AM by MannyGoldstein
To at least make a feeble attempt to help them make a better decision.

So when the next President expands 'free' trade and rattles sabres at Iran, and so many Democrats are chagrined, I can at least feel that I did my part to try to point out that they had a record of this garbage before they go elected - it could have been prevented.
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:53 PM
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21. SPEAK FOR YOUR SELF SON

YOUR LIKE THE REPUBLICAN WHO VOTED FOR REAGEN,BUSH SR,AND BUSH THE LOSER.
THEY ALL RAN BIG DEFICITS,RAN DOWN THE MILITARY,HAD SCANDALS,AND WERE ANYTHING BUT THE DEFINITION OF A CONSERVATIVE. YET THESE MORONS WHO VOTED FOR THEM CLAIM TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
REALITY IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY UNDER CLINTON TURN THE ECONOMY AROUND AND LEFT BUSH JR A SURPLUS HE WASTED.
LOOK AT THE WALL IN CALIF. ANOTHER CORRUPT WASTE OF TAX PAYERS MONEY.
ONE PLACE BUILT 464 FEET AT A COST OF 2 MILLION!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:47 AM
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7. I agree. I can't get over all the negative comments. nt
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:16 AM
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15. Yeah, it's like there are paid infiltrators working as moles or somethin'.
oh, wait...
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25roses Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:50 AM
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8. WE HAVE A GREAT FIELD OF CANDIDATES - not
I disagree. Neither party has a great field in my opinion. The dems are fielding the usual suspects, except that one is black, one is a woman, and one is Hispanic. Their views, however, are indistinguishable from each other and pretty much what we get year after year. Further, because of their refusal to take a real stand on any issue, or even answer the simplest question directly, they come off sounding phony. The repubs are fielding an even worse bunch. Not a real conservative in the bunch and more of the same ole, same ole. Same lack of directness, same phony answers, same........
Yep, I disagree, strongly.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:58 AM
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11. Perhaps you should treat yourself -
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 08:59 AM by DURHAM D
to the June 18th Newsweek article by Jonathan Alter.

On edit - Welcome to the DU. It will get very crazy here during the Presidential primaries.
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:01 PM
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22. GOOD
YOU HAD YOUR 2CENTS WORTH NOW GO GET YOUR PAPERS AND RUN. OTHERWISE YOUR JUST THE REASON THAT PEOPLE LIKE "DUBYA GET ELECTED!
I'LL VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRAT THAT IS ON THE FINAL BALLOT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
DIVIDE AN CONQUER IS THE REPUBLICANS STRONG POINT THEY ARE SMEAR ARTISTS EXTRAORDINARIES!
WE DON'T NEED THAT IN THIS PARTY - YOU GOT AN IDEA YOU TALK TO YOUR LOCAL DEMOCRAT LEADER -IF IT HAS MERIT HE WILL PASS IT ON!
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:51 AM
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9. Gore/Clark '08
that is all...thank you
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:04 AM
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12. That may be true, but people always seem to want what they don't have.
Our grass is green, but look!, look!, that grass is greener. We cannot seem to be happy or excited unless we have that grass which appears greener to us.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:05 AM
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13. Well said. I've been voting 34 years and I don't think I've seen a field
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 09:15 AM by Alamom



of such talent and intelligence available before.

I think we have it as good as we have in a very long time, maybe the best.
I do not in any way discount Carter and Clinton. We've had a few great years in the last 3 decades.

I agree completely, it's time. The time may be right for us to take back as much control as we've ever had. Democratic President and Congress.....
CAN WE EVEN IMAGINE WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THIS ONCE GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS WITH CONTROL BY DEMOCRATS?


I will admit, I am one of those optimist who believes we can be great again.
Helping not invading, saving not destroying and preserving our Earth as best we can......


I also understand the game. We may have to "suck it up" and see our candidates move to the center a little to have the votes we need to come out on top.

The left can't win alone. No more than the extreme right can win.


The candidate from either side who has a chance at a win so big there can be not fraud will have to be closer to the center. I see the repukes having a hard time with this and stumbling around blind on many issues.


I see our Democrats have learned from experience due to the last two "steals" and will do what it takes to win. They are not stumbling when trying to appeal to people across the board. They make me proud.


This part seems to elude some voters. But, we have to win (first) to make changes.






edgr
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:17 AM
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16. Agreed. There are at least three running right now that I'd be proud to call "President"
And I could live with any of the rest. Even Joe Biden.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:39 AM
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19. Yes, as much as I loathe Joe Biden's whoring for MBNA, he has a gravitas about him....
that helps in foreign policy and general policy-making.

Yes, I can see him as 'president'.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:46 AM
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20. Count me among those who disagree that our field is strong. Here's why:
What I am looking for now I am not finding. Of those who actually might have or could still run, I think Al Gore, Wes Clark, Russ Feingold, or John Kerry would be more to my liking than those who are running. And that is just sticking to those who at one point or another expressed real interest in running in 2008. I disagreed with him about the importance of learning from our mistakes about how we got into Iraq, but Mark Warner was a formidable potential leader also. So on a "good day" I would include Warner also in the field that should have run instead of this one.

Count me in the group that says Obama is our future, but now is too soon for him to become President. He has amazing potential and significant accomplishments, but I don't think America should or will elect as President in the next Presidential election a man who was a relatively junior member of a State legislature during the last Presidential election. If we believe that America needs to become color blind, and not discriminate against people of color because of their color, than I can't in good conscience overlook Obama's relative lack of experience simply because I support people of color running for President.

I believe John Edwards continues to evolve, in positive ways, as an American leader. We are indeed fortunate that this man, and his true life partner Elizabeth, decided to make a deep commitment to public service, and that they are willing to champion the issue of poverty in America. John Edwards concedes himself that he is a much more seasoned candidate for President this time than he was last time, and that points to my concern. John Edwards, in my opinion, wasn't ready to be President in 2004, but he still focused on that goal for years prior with laser like intensity. He has more experience now, in regards to international affairs and national security, than he did then, but not that much more. I don't think Edwards is best suited for the Presidency. In some key areas I do not believe that the solidness of Edward's judgment under fire is buttressed enough with sufficient life experience to assure that he instinctively will make the right call when needed. My concern remains centered on international issues. I increasingly trust Edwards on domestic concerns, which has always been the focus of his interest.

I think John Edwards has an important future before him as a leading American voice of conscience, and as an inspirational leader of a movement for social justice here at home. Even putting my concerns aside, however, I do not see Edwards as a strong Presidential candidate. He is not winning over the Democratic Party outside of his current base among left leaning activists, and outside of Iowa which has virtually become his second home over the last few years. He offers the Republican Party a tempting target IMO, because of inconsistencies between his positions of today and those of his Senate days, and because he has symbolically given Republicans too much cheap shot material to work with in challenging his sincerity. Edwards had massive positive publicity carry over from his 2004 run, but he has been unable to capitalize on it. It is telling that only Edwards core supporters make the case that Edwards was an impressive campaigner running with John Kerry in 2004, and mostly they blame Kerry for not letting Edwards be Edwards, rather than argue that he truly sparkled. Obama, coming out of virtually nowhere, was able to quickly eclipse Edwards in appeal this time, and I think that speaks as much to Edward's weaknesses as a candidate as it does to Obama's strengths. John Edwards does as well as he does today, I believe, only because the activist base of the Democratic Party desperately needs a champion, and men like Kerry, Clark, Gore and Feingold staying out of the race gives Edwards much support out of default.

Hillary Clinton IS a strong candidate, and I would argue that she really is the only strong candidate in the current field, which is the only reason why someone with her amazingly high negatives in polling can continue to top 2008 polls. Hillary polarizes voters more so than any other leading Democrat. She is running a very polished, very competent campaign. She has a very strong, very experienced team behind her. I think her 8 years spent as a first lady with real access to the inner workings of her husband's administration does give her credibility regarding seasoning and experience that the other leading Democratic candidates lack. Her negatives though are major. I am by far not alone in the Democratic Party activist base being unhappy to think about backing her. She let me down on Iraq, I don't trust her on Iran, and she is much cozier than I will ever be with the Corporate wing of our Party.

A distaste for Hillary felt by many activists will be a significant handicap against her winning in 2008 should she become our nominee. I would work for Hillary as our nominee, I would even work hard for Hillary, but I know in my heart that I would work much harder for someone who I believed in more. I'm sorry, but that is just how I'm wired, and I know I'm not alone that way. Meanwhile Republicans LOVE to hate Hillary, should she become our Party's nominee she will be a healing tonic to the G.O.P. Most Americans barely even like Hillary. No one else has her negatives. So though I admit that Hillary is a strong candidate, she is no titan, and she isn't even a Bill Clinton. Rather she carries his baggage along with her own.

Of the remaining field only Bill Richardson had potential break out appeal in my mind, and his own performance to date has been decidedly underwhelming. That happens sometimes. Bob Graham looked great on paper, and he was popular in his home state, but he could not sufficiently connect with voters away from home. He is not an inspirational leader, and he is not connecting well with most voters. I like Richardson's seasoning and track record on World affairs. I sure as hell don't like his role in suppressing the 2004 recount in his home state however, and I don't like the fact that he spent way too long backing Gonzales as Attorney General either. Richardson has been more of a disappointment than he has been a strong candidate. I think he now gets some support BECAUSE of the weakness of our field, not despite it.

Same goes for Biden. The weaknesses of the rest of the field gives him his best excuse for running, because Biden is well past his public prime. And to paraphrase a favorite slogan of a leading credit card issuer: "Who's in your wallet?".

I am glad that Denis Kucinich is running again, to have his voice in the public debate, but Denis can't win his home state in a primary, he won't be our next President.

In closing: A display of affirmative action does not a strong field make.

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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:16 PM
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23. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION BUT
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 10:16 PM by luckyleftyme2
PEOPLE LIKE YOU HELPED ELECT BUSH WITH YOUR PASSION FOR ATTENTION. YOU WERE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR AT THE WATER COOLER,AT THE COFFEE SHOP AND SPOUTING THE LATEST
MEDIA ATTACKS AS YOU SHIFTED YOUR SUPPORT AND WEAKENED GORES LEAD. YET HE STILL WON THE POPULAR VOTE IN SPITE OF THE NAY SAYERS.
LIKE MANY OF MY FELLOW DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS OWNED LOCK STOCK AND BARREL BY BIG MONEY! PEOPLE THAT MAKE A CAREER OUT OF BILKING
THE FEDERAL BUDGET. WHICH IS AMERICANS HARD EARNED TAX MONEY.
AND EVERY DEFICIT DOLLAR SPENT HAS TO BE REPAID WITH OUR TAX DOLLAR; WITH INTEREST IT RUNS 30% ABOVE THE BORROWED DOLLAR!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:43 PM
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24. Actually I am saying positive things about Gore now
and I was saying positive things about Gore in 2000. I don't believe we have ever met at a water cooler, coffee shop, or any where else where you would have heard anything I said at that time, or in 2004 either. I think you should consider taking a deep breath before you go off on a rant like this one, but you have a right to your opinion, even though my opinion discussed the relative strengths of our current candidates andy your opinion was a personal attack on me.

So you know all so much about my "passion for attention" do you? Very interesting. What else do you want to share with the world about me while you are at it? By the way, do you "get" the difference between a primary campaign and a general election? There is a useful distinction to be made, you should try making it some time.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:06 PM
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27. please stop posting in all caps.
It is annoying and it feels like you are screaming your head off.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 07:25 AM
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25. I agree with Tom
If you look at the Democratic field, focusing especially on the Top 3 contenders, each candidate has significant weaknesses.

It's only if you stand all 8 candidates together on the same stage - you can say "together - they make a strong team".

But this process is not about fielding a strong team. It's about finding one person who can beat the Republicans, win the election, and lead America over the coming 8 years - cleaning up the mess left behind by Bu$h-Cheney, and then going on to make some real positive progress in addressing the challenges we face - both domestically and globally.

If and when Al Gore and/or Wes Clark enters the race - people will very quickly see that either of them would be a much stronger candidate for President in 2008 that any of the 8 names who already announced.

Al Gore www.algore.com

Wes Clark http://securingamerica.com

:kick:
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:47 AM
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26. Excellent post and analysis of the weaknesses of the current field
You were able to summarize a lot of what is disquieting about the current field of candidates to those such as myself. At times I find myself moving toward one or the other of this group, but then back off because of the types of doubts you express.
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jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:55 PM
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33. Agreed 100%!
Thank you Tom Rinaldo. You definitely speak for me on this.
:toast:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:11 PM
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29. Unfortunately, our "strongest candidate" is also the most polarizing.
It's going to be tough for a Democrat to win in 08'. We shouldn't have any illusions about the difficulty of the task before us, especially if we are limited to our current choices.
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:22 PM
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30. No we really don't. n/t
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