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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:50 PM
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41% STILL believe in Saddam-9/11 link
:wtf:

This is a damning indictment of the Democrats' inability to get our message out as well as the repukes....

==June 24, 2007
Large Number Still Believe in Saddam-9/11 Link
Newsweek poll: "Even today, more than four years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in ten Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11, even though no evidence has surfaced to support a connection. A majority of Americans were similarly unable to pick Saudi Arabia in a multiple-choice question about the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers were born. Just 43 percent got it right -- and a full 20 percent thought most came from Iraq."

Complete survey results are available.==

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/06/24/large_number_still_believe_in_saddam911_link.html
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:52 PM
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1. another thing cheney has done! grrrrrr!
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 12:12 AM
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23. Can't Blame This on Cheney
Anyone at this point who believes Iraq is responsible is intellectually lazy. There is absolutely no excuse to not know the basics regarding the biggest event in the U.S. during your/their lifetime.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:52 PM
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2. Repeat a lie often enough...
It's the essence of advertising. Rote learning works.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:57 PM
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3. ....
:argh:
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:57 PM
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4. wonder what the correlation is with people that believe Jesus rode a dinosaur /nt
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 03:06 PM by Throwing Stones
edited to add a visual:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:09 PM
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8. 51% don't believe in evolution
So at least that shows SOMETHING somewhat encouraging: the overwhelming proof against Iraq's involvement in 9-11 is greater than the overwhelming proof of evolution.

Still, we're damned by faint praise.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:01 PM
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5. Well, for once, I agree with you DMCuomo....nt
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AmericanAlways Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:04 PM
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6. People join forces before we lose our sovereignty
Republicans do bad things, Democrats do bad things. America takes the fall. We have to stand together to stop immigration and build a fence to secure our country. We are fighting over there so they won't be over here. Yea right. We're building fences securing borders over there and leaving us open and we discuss immigration. Where's our security, where's our fence, why are we not finding our own household valueable enough to secure.

Republicans and Democrats have to join forces on this or our divorce is going to be final, and America's sovereignty will no longer exists.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:04 PM
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7. Nah, it's a damning indictment of how many ignorant Americans there are.
The facts are out there if they'd care to educate themselves. But they're waiting for Paris to be released.:eyes:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 04:23 PM
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19. Ok, but they've also been bombarded with the following lines:
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 05:04 PM by kenny blankenship
"After the September 11 attacks, we just can't allow the threat of Saddam Hussein to go unanswered. We can't wait for confirmation of our fears in the shape of a mushroom cloud!"

"Saddam Hussein has well-established links to Al-Quaeda and Mohammed Atta was observed visiting the Iraqi Embassy in Prague less than 6 months before 9-11!"

"He is hiding chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction! We KNOW he is hiding the WMDs!"

"He cavorts with terrorists!"

"He has unmanned drones that can function as guided missiles for WMD! He can attack us in 15 minutes!"

"He has reconstituted his nuclear weapons!"

"After the September 11 attacks, we just can't allow the threat of Saddam Hussein to go unanswered! Imagine the September 11 attacks but with nuclear weapons! Saddam Hussein! September 11! Saddam Hussein is our enemy; we ALL saw what happened on September the Eleventh; do you suggest we wait until he attacks us AGAIN???"

"Saddam Hussein! September 11!
Saddam Hussein! September 11!
Saddam Hussein! September 11!"

"Our President has told Saddam Hussein he will hold him accountable. Do you suggest we wait until he attacks us AGAIN???"

The media addicted American people had all these untruths blared at them not just from Dick Cheney & George Bush & Condi Rice and lesser Administration spokesmen, but also by RW pundits and 24hr TV news anchors and reporters who endlessly and uncritically rebleated and amplified these statements. They heard this stuff over and over for months before the invasion and afterwards. Notice that nowhere in these example phrases which I'm sure we all remember from that time do I directly state that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the September 11 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon. But I don't NEED to do that. By simply juxtaposing Hussein's name in context with September 11 and Al-Quaeda and nailing that in with endless repetition I can make millions of people believe (if I have privileged access to the airwaves) that it was Saddam Hussein who plotted the attacks of September 11. In between the premise (on Sept.11 we were attacked and are now at war!) and the conclusion (Iraq must be destroyed!) there lurks an unstated connection. The viewer at home hears the formula and his own mind supplies the connection linking premise to conclusion: "HEY! They're telling me Saddam Hussein did it! And I can also make them believe that even worse attacks are coming from Saddam's direction if we "wait until he strikes again" --with his unmanned drones and mushroom clouds and WMDs and other hallucinations. It's not surprising at all that a large number of American people still believe that Hussein was behind Sept.11. They were programmed to. They buy all kinds of shit on television that they have no use for, nor ever desired to buy before learning they had to have it from advertisements on heavy rotation. Iraq was another product they discovered they had to have. But more importantly, no one with visibility was challenging the Administration on their rhetoric--specifically the rhetoric that implied a connection between Sept.11 and the necessity of war with Iraq. People from the margins who tried to raise questions were shoved aside and ignored by the media, but it was not the policy of the Democratic Party to make Bush prove any of the things that he said nor the even more misleading things he implied. They didn't get in the way of the programming then, and they are not pushing deprogramming now. The net result is that there are millions of people who don't like or believe Bush anymore, but who STILL believe the lies he wants them to believe. That's a problem that won't go away by Democrats ignoring it.

It's not a surprise there are many Americans who think Saddam Hussein of Iraq carried out the 9-11 attacks. It's more surprising to me that they don't think his name was "September Hussein" or Saddam the Eleventh.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 04:36 PM
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21. Yes, that was drummed into the masses. But I think it's a bit
farfetched to blame Dems for not getting the true message out; they're still not getting the media attention they deserve, and what they're 'allowed' is selective. Witness today; all the bs going down about Cheney, but hardly anyone has mentioned it.
I also seem to recall a recent poll where a majority of Americans didn't know the name of the VP. That, imo, is pathetic.
I have younger family members whom I'm sure fall into the category of not knowing or caring. I witnessed that when I tried to get them to vote last year. They couldn't be bothered.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:13 PM
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9. Further proof that droning propaganda works for a large segment........
of the population, even after the propaganda is dispelled.
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:16 PM
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10. you can fool some of the people some of the time...
etc
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:17 PM
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11. That's a damning indictment of how fucking stupid many Americans are.
The "Jaywalking" crowd...it certainly IS a crowd. They have no clue who their Senators are, but they can spot Paris Hilton at five hundred yards.

Morons...!!!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:19 PM
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12. This shows you how successful propaganda can be,
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 03:19 PM by cassiepriam
We must have a free and honest press.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:20 PM
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13. MSM is also complicit in perpetuating the myth.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:24 PM
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15. I agree. nt
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:24 PM
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14. This shows how poorly our new Dem Congress has done debunking this issue. n/t
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:29 PM
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16. if i didn't visit DU i would still know thats bullshit because everyday i get 2 newspapers delivered
to my house and i actually read them. I get the SF Chronicle and the Sacramento bee every morning and it's a ritual that i cannot start my day without, i get up at around 5:30am, make coffee and take my newspapers outside and read them.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:31 PM
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17. I personally know someone who still believes this crap
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 03:33 PM by Whoa_Nelly
A friend of 50+ years who chooses to believe only what the Repugs feed her rather than investigating and thinking for herself.

Why is it so painful, so difficult, to take a few minutes to actually read and learn?

Or is just a need to remain steadfast to the Repug ideology?

Or, could it be simply apathy?

This friend has been working at the Oklahoma State Capitol for about 1.5 years as an assistant sec'y to a couple of Repug representatives. She believes in loyalty.

Guess she doesn't believe in learning the facts.

Loyalty

Ignorance



Something she just does not get.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:33 PM
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18. Isn't that about the same number as those who don't believe in evolution? nt
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 04:35 PM
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20. 41% believe this BS but the Dear Leader's approval is still under 30%;
makes you wonder where it would be if everyone knew the truth.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 04:45 PM
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22. What are the doing, standing outside the gates of that Creationist
Park and asking the dumb asses who are buying tickets?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 02:29 AM
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24. WHO CARES? PARIS IS IN JAIL!!!!
:banghead: :banghead:
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