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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:28 PM Original message |
TPMCafe: Hillary's pollster Mark Penn's Firm Tests Negative Messages on Obama and Edwards |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just taking Obamas lead! |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Oh, bullshit...and stop the overuse of Laughing Man while you're at it |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. ... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. How about some proof for that accusation, William--a silly :rofl: icon is a lame response. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Lets start with his apology this week. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Sending opposition research to the media and push polling voters |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Absolutely. Push polling is also favored by Republicans, and a loathsome practice. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Except push polling is done close to an election. Not 9 months out. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Spare us the bridge and give us links about Obama and Edwards doing the same thing |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. The evidence of it being Mark Penn is the claim of 2 bloggers |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Outsourcing is a controversial issue...who knew without a push poll? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Obama is runnign a professional campaign. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. It's not a push poll |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yeah and I'm sure Obama's people are singing Kumbaya... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. Maybe this is a pre-emptive strike on Obama before Moore's move "Sicko" |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yeah because Obama "only" took in $1/2M for Prez so far and $600K in 2004 |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Hillary took a hell of a lot more. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. True but Obama is hardly clean on this (nt) |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well. this kinda shit is real 'inside baseball'--all candidates TEST varying approaches |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Excellent post. (nt) |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
51. Where were you when everyone jumped on Obama for |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. There is nothing unusual I can see |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That's a sure bet, and you're right--they all do it. The key word in the story is TEST. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Consider the source. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Of course, you must mean MSNBC's First Read, William--or Josh Marshall's TPM Cafe? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Small point but it wasn't Josh Marshall (nt) |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. This information came from Josh Marshall's TPMCafe. The Celine Dion was from MSNBC's First Read. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I realize that but it was not written by Marshall (nt) |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Geez, I never said that it was. The OP plainly states "by Greg Sargent." |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Not besides the point but I think when William said the source he was referring to you (nt) |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. provide link where it states Obama took money |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I think you are replying to a different post but here you go. |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. This is individuals giving money to him. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So Hillary also got money mostly from individuals and Michael Moore is being dishonest? |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I took the quotes from the website you gave me. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. So the same holds true for Hillary then? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Checking the link, Obama is credited with receiving 100% of his |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The other 28% is the $10M she transfered from her Senate account. (nt) |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. Is there a connection between Penn's polling and the NY Times hit piece? |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. Anyone else think these "win at all costs" gambits are just a little TOO RW-ish? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. And Obama is just a Choir boy. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. I never said that, now, did I? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. LOL. where are your words for the various factions of the left out fto get Hillary? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. What part of "45% of our electorate dislike HRC?" She can NOT win - but she will drag us down. n/t |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. More founts of wisdom from you huh? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. all candidates do this |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. The only defense is "They do it too". |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
41. Did Penn and Hill's team EVER test attacks on BushInc and his policies the last 7yrs? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
43. so what |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
46. So is Penn behind the Hillaryis44 hit site? |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
48. hmmmm. dont' you wonder if Penn;'s smudgy fingers are on the Hillary 44 site???? |
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