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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 03:58 PM
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Can Cheney be made "A Man Without a Country" ?

If he is impeached before and separately from Dubya, he will be pardoned for any and all crimes he may have committed while Vice-President.

Is there any way he could be stripped of his citizenship and cast off into the world so seek asylum (how ironic and appropriate) somewhere else. Maybe Qatar with his Halliburton cronies.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 04:01 PM
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1. He'll buy a hundred acres in Paraguay from bush
and they'll live happily ever after in a country which has no reciprocating extradition treaty with the US. bush will fly out an hour after the next inauguration.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 04:11 PM
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2. Can the president pardon the removal from office of his own VP?
I don't think so. But, were Cheney to be convicted of, or even just indicted for, his crimes by a regular court, Bush could pardon him. Maybe criminal indictments of Bush and all of his thugs needs to wait until Bush leaves office. Impeach. Remove. Prosecute.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:55 PM
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7. US Constitution, Article 2, Section 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:25 PM
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9. Thanks. I thought I remembered that.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 04:21 PM
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3. No
The 14th Amendment states in part, " All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Because he was born in the US, any effort to strip him of citizenship would be a direct violation of the 14th Amendment.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 04:55 PM
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5. Recall his pacemaker immediately
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:51 PM
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6. ISTR there's a provision in the Patriot Act
that allows the President to revoke anyone's citizenship. Blatantly unconstitutional, of course, but since when has that ever stopped Bush?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:02 AM
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11. Has he ever tried to do this?
I doubt even the current Supreme Court would uphold such a move.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 04:52 PM
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4. He should be, but it won't happen. However, keep in mind that he will
ALWAYS have a country. Wherever the oil is, that's where he pledges allegiance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3341524
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:08 PM
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8. Cheney is moving forward on the Unitary Executive Theory..
In case you missed it..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory

This has been the goal all along of the Bush Administration, which the help of SC Justice Anton Scalia, head of the DC Chapter on Federalism has brought us to this reality. We are again being victimized by a Federalist Takeover of the US Constitution due to Bush's unsupervised signings re: (editing) of The Constitution..

Hi Calimary..glad you're taking the Cheney by the Horns...here's some info you may want to impart on your readers, as an aid to clarification of where we stand in the inherent protection The Constitution used to afford us.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/sep/29/the_star_chamber

sidenote:

After e-mailing this link to Joe Conason,

This information became the genesis for Joe Conason's new book, "It Can Happen Here.."



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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:35 PM
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10. According to washingtonpost.com, some Republicans want Dick out
Dick is such a liability that a number of people in the GOP want him out of the VP slot. Some of them want to get Fred Thompson in the VP slot to give him a boost in 2008.

Right now, I think it's better for him to stay, because his presence will continue to cast the Republicans in an unfavorable light. He's an very big inconvenient truth for the GOP.
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