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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 08:55 AM Original message |
Supreme Court: Have We Already Lost America? Thank you, Ralph. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. Cost more votes - Nader's run or Bill and Monica's affair in oval office? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I remember Clinton getting some of his highest approval ratings after Monica. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. People didn't want him IMPEACHED for sex. But the corpmedia was still able to use |
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madison (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I disagree with "blm" |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Certainly - but what cost MORE votes? Can you quantify? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I agree that Clinton hurt Gore, but Nader made the difference. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yes, no defending Nader on that - but Florida was set up to be stolen no matter how many |
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madison (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. What is so friggin' hard for some to grasp about that? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I think they grasp it; they are just being manipulative. |
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demgrrrll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
63. Kinda like Joe Lieberman |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. It wasn't Nader's fault... it was the media enabling a corrupt GOP |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Your story does not make any sense. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. The difference in Florida was +100,000 for Gore. If we had an honest media |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
30. as "the poster" |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. and I agree with you 100%. After the evidence we've seen of media's complicity the last decade |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. thanks, much appreciated. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. The OP's point |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. The MCM waged an almost two year "War Against Gore" |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
62. More eligible voters didn't vote, at all, in Florida, than voted for Nader. |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Problem was the Nader campaign saying Bush and Gore were indistinguishable |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. indeed it was |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Deleted message |
AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Bill Clinton is one busy bee |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Poppy Bush being held accountable for his crimes would have prevented 9-11 and Iraq war. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. by your reasoning |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Iraq war came about because of BushInc's dealings in the 70s and 80s. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I have often wondered how you square |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. What does Bush1 not furthering the war at THAT time have to do with why and how we were in Iraq |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Well you stated that it's all connected |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. "at that time' doesn't let Poppy Bush off the hook for why and how we ARE in Iraq |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. GHWbush |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. When it comes to the fact that |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. What "the Clenis did it" is not longer operative? |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
15. When are you going to stop waving this strawman argument to cover DLC Dems asses? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I reject the premise of your question. n/t |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. How "assertive" of you! I guess you don't need any reason to do that. You are the "decider". n/t |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I am also the "commander guy". n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. How about you, LoZoccolo- can you show us your old posts that are in support of the filibuster? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
59. I've asked if Zolocco himself was in support of the Filibuster. |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
17. Ralph didn't lose the 2000 election . . . in fact, Gore won . . . |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. "the result would have been the same whether Ralph ran or not " -- Not so. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Gore won by over 100,000 votes in Florida. BushInc was stealing as many votes |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. They only got 547 votes over |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. No - that was the bogus vote count as per the interrupted recount. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Yes I know. But all they came up with as a "victory" was 547 votes. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. In my view, Florida was set up for stealing even without Nader in the race. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
18. Another historic reminder: There IS A DIFFERENCE between Democrats and Republicans!!!! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
52. Nader's "No difference" was a pile of BS and Clinton used that same tact re Lamont v Lieberman. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
33. he is not to blame. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
34. Deleted message |
ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. Boring... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. Nader has been proven absoutely right on this point |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. As long as a SCOTUS nominee is pro-corporate |
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ClassWarfare2008 (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
45. Ralph Nader didn't have a vote in confirming Supreme Court justices. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. And damn if their powder isn't still dry. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. Next they will tell us it's Nader's fault for thier support of Joe Lieberman (I). |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. And the horrible Joe Lieberman |
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ChenZhen (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. The Nader issue isn't so Black and White |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. That's one of the best responses I've seen on this issue. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-02-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
64. As long as the DLC is calling the shots, Nader is right: there is little difference. |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
53. Yawn |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. You're voting third-party because LoZoccolo has spinach in his teeth? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. LOL! It was not Naderites telling us to "Keep your powder dry"- it was conservative, DLC types. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
60. He LoZoccolo- did you support Alito's filibuster? If so, show us the posts!!! |
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