Dennis Kucinich - Going to do well in Wisconsin

[LeftHander]

Watching the debate and talking with other Democrats, DK is going to rise out of the single digits in Wisconsin. I predict he will get 16% of the vote.

His message finally made it to Wisconsin democrats during last night's debate.

He was very moving. Despite only being allowed to speak less then 8 times. Compared to Kerry's 18 times.

The debates were hosted by WTMJ and The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal part of Journal Communications INC. One of the many "exceptions" to media ownership rules. They own WTMJ 620, Channel 4 and the only daily newpaper in the Milwaukee market. The questions were clearly steered by the moderator from WTMJ Channel 4 to ensure Kerry had the most time.

Despite that Dennis was able clearly and convincingly get his message out. He had the most applause of any of the candidates.

[Woman of the Phoenix]

1. I got the same impression.

If only, if only ...

[buddhamama]

4. Welcome to DU

Woman of the Phoenix!
happy to have you with us.

[Woman of the Phoenix]

7. Thank you! It's good to be here.

(you do realize, of course, you have chosen the most beautiful avatar DU has?)

[buddhamama]

12. it was an easy choice.

thank you for noticing. Arundhati Roy is beautiful both inside and out.

:-) again, Welcome. I have to say, i like you a lot already :toast:

[JohnLocke]

21. Unfortunately, she's been banned already

:( :(

[buddhamama]

22. huh?

jeez. i wonder what she did/said to get herself banned...?

[JohnLocke]

26. She's a returning "disruptor"

She's come back at least 15 times. I don't know why she was originally banned, but it has something to do with with I/P forum.

[Malva Zebrina]

2. Kucinich got double digits in Maine

I am not sure of the exact number--I think it is 13%

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. Can he get above the threshold for delegates?

I think you have to get over 15% in a congressional district to get delegates. That's the only thing that matters in the actual primary. I think he did get delegates from Maine and Washington and Illinois, didn't he? We need to get delegates to have a say at the convention, otherwise it's over. If he gets delegates from Wisconsin too, then he's doing okay.

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. He has not recieved any pledged delegates yet

but Maine is still up in the air, as not all of the precincts have reported yet.

[youngred]

36. he got 2 in Iowa

why do people keep forgetting that?

[Padraig18]

37. Those were county-level delegates.

Those aren't the delegates who will attend the convention in Boston.

[buddhamama]

3. i missed the debate

but i agree with you that DK can do well in WI.

too bad though, about the bias being shown in these debates.

DK is a trooper,he's in this for the long haul.
He continues to gather supporters and raise money, since DK is not taking corporate donations that's saying a lot.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. No candidates are taking corporate donations

Corporations are not permitted to donate money to federal candidates.

[buddhamama]

6. semantics, Freddie

n/t

[cosmicdot]

9. somehow corporate money is making its way into the campaign

according to http://www.opensecrets.org

where there's a loop-hole, there's a way

The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers.

JOHN KERRY (D)

Top Contributors
Cycle: 2004 All Cycles*

Skadden, Arps et al
$101,800
Citigroup Inc
$72,000
Piper Rudnick
$71,500
Mintz, Levin et al
$64,740
Goldman Sachs
$62,600
Robins, Kaplan et al
$62,250
Harvard University
$57,550
Hill, Holliday et al
$50,750
Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
$50,250
Clifford Law Offices
$42,000
Morgan Stanley
$40,000
Bain Capital
$37,500
UBS Americas
$34,900
International Profit Assoc
$34,250
Akin, Gump et al
$34,250
Holland & Knight
$33,485
Time Warner
$32,225
FleetBoston Financial
$32,050
Hale & Dorr
$31,800
Sullivan & Cromwell

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00000245&cycle=2004

GEORGE W. BUSH (R)

Top Contributors
Cycle: 2004 All Cycles*

Merrill Lynch
$432,104
PricewaterhouseCoopers
$334,550
UBS Americas
$327,850
MBNA Corp
$300,250
Goldman Sachs
$270,475
Credit Suisse First Boston
$236,250
Lehman Brothers
$229,496
Bear Stearns
$214,775
Blank Rome LLP
$206,650
Ernst & Young
$187,355
Southern Co
$166,197
Microsoft Corp
$162,450
Union Pacific Corp
$160,500
Deloitte & Touche
$159,025
Haynes & Boone
$157,650
Winston & Strawn
$156,250
Morgan Stanley
$155,000
Citigroup Inc
$154,415
Ameriquest Capital
$152,800
SBC Communications
$150,750

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00008072&cycle=2004

DENNIS KUCINICH (D)

Top Contributors
Cycle: 2004 All Cycles*

Borders & Borders
$6,000
United Steelworkers of America
$6,000
University of Illinois
$5,238
Sheet Metal Workers Union
$5,000
Progressive Choices PAC
$5,000
University of California
$4,800
State of California
$4,550
Schulman Schulman
$4,000
Kayline Enterprises
$4,000
Rivier College
$4,000
The Wooden Horse
$3,900
Global Relationship Centers
$3,079
Guana Island Hotel Corp
$3,000
Kucinich for President
$2,600
People Centered Development Forum
$2,500
Broadcom Corp
$2,500
Walter N Marks Inc
$2,500
Camelot
$2,500
Intel Corp
$2,400
BC Tech
$2,385

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00003572&cycle=2004

[buddhamama]

10. more-- this link covers Bush only

but the other presidential candidates monied interests can be founf there too.


http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/ContributorsAndPaybacks/

[Crewleader]

16. Thanks for that link buddhamama, it says it all!

Congratulations again for being a delegate for Dennis Kucinich.:hi:

Proud of you and wanted to let you know I'm voting for him with my primary vote, he's everything I believe in, prosperity for all and peace on earth.:-)

Keep up the great work you do dear friend! :loveya: :pals:

[buddhamama]

20. YAY!

thank you my dear sweet friend for your support of me and for believing. No matter how riddled with potholes the road may be, we can never give up.

it is my honor and absolute joy to travel with you. :loveya:
i owe you big time; i'm indebted to you for shining your 'light' on me.
on some of my darkest days you have encouraged and inspired me.
:pals: always!

[Desertrose]

23. Hey Crew...thanks!

and a big :hi: :hi: :hi:

sorry you didn't get to vote for Clark but sure am glad to hear you're gonna vote for Dennis!! (thanks)

for you dear friend!!


:loveya: DR

[Crewleader]

27. Tim too!

Sarge would if he could, 18 this October Desertrose!
It's good seeing you too and it's my pleasure friend, Dennis is a good man and would make one beautiful President for the People!

:loveya: :pals:

[Tinoire]

24. Not to forget all the corporate "bundlers" behind Kerry

Kerry - like Bush - has recruited an army of 'bundlers' who skip around strict campaign finance laws by gathering $2,000 cheques from friends and employees into bundles of $50,000 or $100,000. Kerry has 32 $100,000 bundlers and 87 $50,000 bundlers. They come mainly from powerful law firms, real estate companies, financiers and lobbyists.

Kerry has received more money from lobbyists over the past 15 years than any other serving senator. Some of Kerry's close links with lobbyists have raised eyebrows among supporters used to his campaign slogan: 'From the moment I take up office, I will stand up to special interests.'

<snip>

Between 1999 and 2002 Kerry sponsored two law bills and co-sponsored six more that were seen as advantageous to CTIA's interests. One of Kerry's main bundlers, Chris Putala, is employed as a lobbyist by the CTIA. 'We are beyond the point of whether he takes money from special interests, but rather what, if anything, has been done in response to the funds,' said Steve Weiss, spokesman for the Centre for Responsive Politics watchdog.

Kerry and his wife are also personally linked to the fortunes of the telecommunications industry. Official records show the couple have at least $17 million invested in firms with a stake in the industry. Tracing the actual effect that donations have on politicians' decisions is virtually impossible. A Kerry spokesman has denied Kerry has ever acted in response to donations.

But Paul Davis, co-founder of internet firm Predictive Networks, has seen the process of how fundraising and legislation mix. Kerry met a top Predictive executive on 25 July, 2000. A day later Kerry introduced a Senate bill that would allow internet firms to monitor what their consumers were viewing and that Predictive had been lobbying for. In February 2002 Predictive chief executive Devin Hosea threw a fundraiser for Kerry in Boston. Kerry was given a lift back to Washington DC in a private jet. Hosea threw a second fundraising party that summer. In the end Hosea become one of Kerry's $100,000 'bundlers' .

<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1148524,00.html

[snoochie]

30. Third party, here I come

:grr:

[mark414]

8. correct

After the debate last night I was at a Kucinich rally and he talked about how many people had said to him that after watching him in the debate they had made up their minds...a lot of people at the rally said that too...go DK.

[snoochie]

11. I hope so. I want a real choice,

not complicit vs. somewhat less obviously complicit.

I'm sick of corporate control of this country. Kucinich is the only way out of that.

[LWolf]

13. I hope you're right.

If debate response translates to votes, he should do well. I'm looking forward to good results!

[snoochie]

14. You should know by now debate response means squat

He's done this well all along. How could he not? He's speaking plain truth where others mumble and fidget.

The problem is most of those clapping and nodding their heads have been sold the 'electability' myth.

"if only... if only"

[RichM]

15. One can only hope so. Wisconsin has a pretty good record for

supporting progressives.... We'll soon see if they've still got the knack.

[bobthedrummer]

17. There is a lot of respect for Dennis Kucinich here in WI.

He's going to surprise some people here tomorrow IMHO. We have many independents {like myself, I don't belong to any political party} and progressives here even the Greens that may vote too. Vote for Dennis Kucinich tomorrow!
:hi:

[Zomby Woof]

18. booyah!

:bounce:

[loudnclear]

25. GO DK, my family is pulling for you. And the Dems will get behind you!!!

Anyone of these candidates should beat the slop out of Bush. If it weren't for the race issue, Sharpton would even beat him.

Plus, I am sensing that this steroid issues is becoming another code word in the race lexicon. Anybody else?

[revcarol]

28. From your mouth to God's ears...

Time to zonk the DLC and its corporate policies!!

Watch the total for all the candidates except Kerry. They will beat Kerry by a mile, IMHO.

[jmoss]

31. only problem is

Debate was hosted at college campus in probably the most liberal city in Wisconsin. How do the small audience reactions project what will occur in other districts, such as Green Bay, Madison, etc. Besides, DK has to contend with Edwards getting endoresements from two of Wisconsin's largest papers (Milwaulkee Sentinel--who hosted debate--and Madison paper.)

THIS was in response to the debate. Although I agree that DK will get numbers a bit closer to his WA and ME finishes.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

32. I expect him to do well in Madison

He's a natural for that town. :-)

[no name no slogan]

33. Milwaukee more liberal than Madison?

Really? I always figured Madison was the hotbed of liberal/progressive politics.

At least both are much more progressive than Appleton, IMHO.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

34. kick and..

that's my stapler


TWL

[Lefta Dissenter]

35. You're right (isn't THAT fun???)

Madison is a lot more liberal than Milwaukee. Just watch the numbers, you'll see.............. :hi:

[bobthedrummer]

38. Yet Appleton is more progressive than Green Bay

IMO.