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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:40 AM Original message |
Kerry said last night he voted for NAFTA... |
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onebigbadwulf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Same old boring Kerry rhetoric... |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is not complicated at all |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. NAFTA was broke long before Bush |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Agreed |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I have heard people say for the last 10 years Clinton passed NAFTA |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Politics as a team sport makes corporate masters so happy |
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jamesinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. Yes but it was the Clinton administration |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. He liked it. Didn't want to veto it. 'Bribed' democrats to vote for it. |
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jamesinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Well that settles it |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Bush 1 couldn't get it passed |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. Yes. I remember this. |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Clinton lead the effort to get NAFTA passed. He was calling |
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jmoss (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
107. everyone PLEASE consider EDWARDS!! |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. I dont |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. Wasn't NAFTA passed during the first Clinton term? |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Yes |
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diamondsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. And people in my "epiphany" |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That would make all the difference |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. That's a wonderful sig pic |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Why, thanks! |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. NAFTA was passed in 1993, with Clinton's full support |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Can anyone explain why it took seven years (or more) for this to become |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Because these things don't fail overnight |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. You should have been in the steel industry the last several years |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Our business relies greatly on steel. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. There was no "long delay" in its negative effects... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. WTO/NAFTA and steel |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. This is the way it was explained to me - tell me if you agree |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. From what I understand that's basically it. |
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goobergunch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
55. November 17/20 1993 |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
5. It's the power of the bully pulpit. |
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Paulie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It can be changed by throwing it right in the GARBAGE |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. You can't reverse time. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Don't be silly - nobody is saying we should turn back time |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. They're not going anywhere. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. I beg to differ |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. It's not a submission, it's a realization. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. If the democratic leadership is kowtowing to corporate masters now |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Kucinich will not change anything more than anyone else. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. And your reason for that belief is? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Globalization doesn't need NAFTA. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. NAFTA is more than a symbol |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Bilateral agreements with whom? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Why are you so sure it can be changed to benefit workers? |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Without the Bill of Rights, the US Constitution would be very incomplete. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. What do the Bill of Rights and Constitution have to do with |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. It's an analogy. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. There's more power in the hands of the WTO tribunals |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. They're not invincible. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. They have to approve any changes made to NAFTA |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Then it sounds pretty hopeless. |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Not unless we nominate Kucinich |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. can i remind you what sharpton said last night |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Yeah, well, it happened, didn't it. |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. This is not about justifying or condemning free trade at the core |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. We're not going to lie down and take it. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Free trade is a completely utopian idea |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Only if we left the WTO. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. He voted for it under Clinton. |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. Kerry voted for NAFTA, so I'll vote for somebody else |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
11. Kerry sits on the two most powerful committees in the senate, and he's |
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onebigbadwulf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
13. It's not JUST about Nafta... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
14. I recomend that all of yuo who head this |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. The "side agreements" have no real teeth |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Kerry was on of the people that made sure the side agreement had no teeth |
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Atlant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. I'm not aware that Dean ever actually voted on NAFTA. |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. no, Dean was a "state's ambassador" for NAFTA and as Chair of the ... |
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rhite5 (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. So What? Side Provisions are just side provisions |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
15. check this out from a common dreams peice has to stay |
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hedda_foil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
57. Wow! This really stuck out for me. |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. The Kerry Amendment |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I'll tell you what his vote for fast-track says to me |
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kalian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
19. I really don't understand Kerry's voting record.... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
21. Even in its vagueness, the response is inaccurate. |
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rhite5 (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
49. You said it, Rucky! |
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maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
83. he's used the same excuses |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. In all fairness re: NCLB |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. That's very fair and very true. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. It most certainly does NOT apply to IWR and PATRIOT Act |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Of course there was an upside to the IWR. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. No, I'm quite aware of what Bush's intentions were back then |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Check the side discussion again. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Whatever. You'll never convince me of this strained association |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. The whole thread, including the subthread, was about Kerry. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Hey now, no reason to get all snippy |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
31. We should pander to texas gop on trade and nuke nafta/wto |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. NAFTA will level the playing field..the American worker will be equal to |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. NAFTA has actually pushed Mexican wages DOWN |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. It's not pandering if you mean it |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
96. exactly |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
52. transcript |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
68. Kerry wants "manufacturing incentives??!!" |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Edwards and Dean are much better on this issue than Kerry, imho. (n/t) |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. They're not really worried about taking us in. The pundits said Kerry |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. He's the one the media decided to push |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Kerry is on both sides of everything |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. I'm surprised he didn't get booed at the debate!! |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. But you're not surprised that he's winning all the primaries? /nt |
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shivaji (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. You hit the nail on the head, bro................n/t |
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Algorem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
84. Golly I sure hope he doesn't get fooled a lot like that as president. |
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shivaji (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
86. Repugs are salivating at TV ads where Kerry debates Kerry |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. They'd do the same to Dean or anybody unless they had something better. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
92. Dean's for NAFTA too. Kucinich and Edwards are the anti-NAFTA alternative |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:23 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. Although Edwards voted for the China trade deal in 2000. |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
105. NAFTA is just the tip of the iceberg. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
106. Well, that Was Clinton's Position |
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littlejoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
108. I thought it was a reasonable and responsible reply. |
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