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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 01:57 PM Original message |
I feel like the DLC, DNC, and the media has pushed John Kerry on me. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. They Have |
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private_ryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't think |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Spoken like a true moderate. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. Yet you offer no rebuttal? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
58. It would appear that there are a lot of moderates in the party |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Ah, and rather than accept that "consensus candidates" are... |
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diamondsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. "...did us a favor." |
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private_ryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. how did they destroy democracy? |
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diamondsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. ROTFL |
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Zardeenah (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I don't remember any glowing media coverage of Dean... |
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Voltaire99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. No, apparently not |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Me too, I agree. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. I felt like Howard Dean was being pushed on me |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Well now you have nothing to worry about. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. You thought you yourself were going to get to choose? |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No friend...there are millions of "ME"!!!!! |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Really? |
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duvinnie (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. yup |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. Kerry isn't Lieberman. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. We had the best crop of candidates EVER |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. A close race up to the convention would have been stronger ... |
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54anickel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Amen! n/t |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
12. The dem convention in Boston is only a coincidence. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. "Moderates don't make big changes". Americans don't want big changes. |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. So after 3 years of having the GOP push this country... |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. You're absolutely right w13rd0 |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Right, the hot 2002 election |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Everybody forgets that 2002 was a referendum on 9/11. |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Exactly Max |
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lams712 (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. NOT TRUE....to say that is was "only a referendum on 9/11".. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That's because the DLC supported the candidates who were at risk. |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. And that's why we are in this corporate, massive military mess |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. The prospect of continuing incremental change was too much for a few |
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mgc1961 (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. I love this thread. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. No. That would be the voters. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yeah. Who cares what all those primary voters wanted... |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
19. Could you please point out some of this literature. |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Your baiting...be happy, we have the wonderful John Kerry as our |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. please explain |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. See this is what I don't get.......you still get a vote... |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Yes technically "you don't get it" I'm not talking about me... |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Oh....the MACHINE.....sorry....I don't see how I missed that.... |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. No, we have Kerry, Please don't say it's hopeless!!!! |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. You did have a choice |
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Voltaire99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
32. Choice? See Kerry's essay on complete US support for Israel |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
36. Living in California, mostly you never get a choice |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
38. You can also blame the caucus-goers in Iowa, the voters in NH, |
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West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
39. A few months ago I sort of felt like the media was pushing Dean |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. I had an R friend tell me this. |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
41. you are right...more of the same |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. Of course they have.. Dean was the unknown quantity |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. Not To Mention Voters In Iowa, New Hampshire, Missouri, Arizona... |
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Exgeneral (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. No pretense, that "ass whomping" was media generated, bought and paid for. |
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Exgeneral (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
45. Even General Clark couldn't fight the power structure |
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jab105 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
50. yep..... |
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eileen_d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
51. I'm sorry that you didn't get your choice |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
56. That's funny |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
57. The DLC's first choice was Kerry? Please. |
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Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
59. Edwards has been pushed hard too |
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