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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:31 AM Original message |
Anti-War Democrat Bashers: Please answer the following |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. they wish real hard, sprinkle some magic pixie dust to make "progressive" Dems win in Red districts? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. That certainly SOUNDS like the plan. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
112. Nah, they have a new solution |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. is there a thread for anti-bush-enabling democrat bashers? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Seems like there are plenty of them. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. i'm not the anti-war bashing type though |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Well, they've only sided with Bush 14% of the time. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. nah, only when it covers his ass for breaking the law |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Well, if you're talking about FISA, I agree with you. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. what's to know... they stabbed us in the fucking back |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That's a bit dramatic. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. yeah just one bill... not an important one or anything |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. Raise a shitstorm in Conyers's office? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Conyers isn't the problem. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. You're damned straight Conyers isn't the problem! (I agree with you) |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Sorry - I missed the reference. |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. If only it was so easy |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You're exactly right. |
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Visigoth1 (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. 70% are aginst the war and .... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. You didn't read the post at all, did you? |
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Visigoth1 (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. so what, it has to end |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
90. Senator Leahy is in favor of no new funding for the war . . . . |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
18. To be Fair, 60 or 66 Votes in the Senate is Only Necessary |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. But the people aren't in any way supportive of killing or stalling the funds. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
19. They don't need 60 votes to defeat bush's new funding request. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. But again, in the latest polls only 18% support doing that. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. So, we elect Democrats so that they can govern by poll? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That's a bit of a stretch. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. No. I believe that representatives are elected based on their judgement. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. How can you have it both ways? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
68. I'm not trying to have it both ways. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. I don't thin you can extrapolate like that. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Exactly, why can't they just do what's right. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
25. You don't know as much as you think you do. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. What's your point? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
104. Point is, if Pukes threaten to Fillibuster, we should force them to, and... |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
29. NO funds. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. And no public support. (nt) |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
33. It is not that Democrats are spineless... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. You're absolutely right. |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. That is part of the madness... |
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leaninglib (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
34. You make good points. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
35. Don't concede defeat without even trying |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. They DID try. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. If at first you don't succeed..... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The problem is one of time. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
97. Then they shouldn't have wasted their time drawing up the blank check bill. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
41. Stop the funding, it's that simple |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. And what do we do with the public, which doesn't support that route? |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The public is very badly informed |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. But Bush has said, repeatedly, that we're staying through his presidency. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I agree--never underestimate this administration's willingness |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. He cannot keep the troops there without funding |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Yes he can. |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. That is not what is says in the Constitution |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. It also says the President is Commander in Chief. (nt) |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Since when has Bush cared about the constitution? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. True. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Since when has Congress EVER been responsible for informing the public? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Sure thing, Sport. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Note to DUers |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Where have you been the past seven years? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Please. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Then stop your bullshit. Kucinich has been saying the right things for years |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Clown. n/t |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Your understanding of pith is as pathetic as your understanding of the public. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. You made up |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. But none of your cites are particularly applicable to the real world |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Your first sentence |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Yes, the public supports Congressional control of expenditures in general. So what? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. You are silly. n/t |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. At least I don't flood a discussion with misguided citations and glib generalities |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Since when does congress care about what the public thinks, that is why |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
43. How come Kucinich is the only one discussing ending funding? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Because he is the only one (besides Richardson) who I believe |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Exactly, the rest of them want to climb over the mound of bodies to get at the Presidency. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
45. Well, first of all you use ALL of your congressional powers |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. If Democrats would get the message through they would get support |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. Oh for phuques sake... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Newt Gingrich tried that in 1995. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Baloney. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Correction - Newt DID shut down the federal government. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. As long as they don't make a simple mis-speak |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. "The public as a whole respected the shut down" == can you back that up? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. 10 Years of GOP rule in congress and... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. huh? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. You really don't get it, do you? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. No shit. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Actually he won on all counts. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Tom DeLay doesn't even agree with you there. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. WRONG. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Any time a DUer |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
69. Let us know what's going on, dammit |
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onewholaughsatfools (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
81. you are joking correct |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
83. the answer is that they don't actually know, because they don't really care |
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Kuni (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
88. You want to do something that might work? |
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Kuni (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Here are some of Petraeus lies about Iraq from the past few years. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
91. Impeachment is one answer --- Let's move on that -- !!! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. right, because if we don't have the votes to force a withdrawal, we have the votes to impeach |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. We don't need "votes" to investigate for impeachment . . . . and WHY wouldn't America |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. a bit of history |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. "A rose is a rose" -- call it what you wish -- but INVESTIGATE TO IMPEACH --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
92. When Republicans were the minority, they "blocked" Dems . . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. It would also be helpful if we didn't have DLC within Dems with such high "pro-war" sentiments -- !! |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #92 |
108. The Republicans had the Presidency. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. You're misinformed --- |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. You're miscounting. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. By "handed over" . . .. I mean exactly that . . . . that control of Congress moved to Bob Dole --- |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
94. Don't bring a war funding bill to a vote in the House! |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #94 |
107. I partially agree with this. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
96. Here's a few suggestions: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. lOVE your suggestions . . . an odd about GE behavior -- KO and this rant ????? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
105. If the issue were slavery instead of war, |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
106. Dems have two tools, neither of which they've used... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. The Republican are being treated like royalty vs the restrictions the GOP put on Dems . . |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
113. That's what I keep wondering. |
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