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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:04 AM
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Poll question: The "inevitability" meme intends to
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:09 AM
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1. Of couse it is "all of the above' becasue we are living it in the moment. I keep thinking
Lamont, Lamont, Lamont, Lamont...............Liberman by a nose !!


What were the lessons learned????

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:00 PM
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14. Obama supported Lieberman... another faux pas!
If you spent more time working to get Obama elected, his numbers wouldn't be in the dumper.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:25 AM
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2. The "inevitability meme" is almost exclusively an anti-Hillary swipe.
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 09:25 AM by robcon
Very few (I can't recall any) pro-Hillary DUers talk about the inevitability of Clinton's nomination. She's in the lead by double-digits, but it's not over yet - not by a long shot.

The idea that her nomination is inevitable is used almost exclusively by anti-Hillary DUers, who pretend that it is Hillary's supporters that claim her nomination is inevitable. Attacking a phantom, (almost?) non-existent "inevitability meme" is intellectually fraudulent, IMO.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:03 AM
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3. Well said. It is typical hater bull-shit
:toast:
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:10 AM
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4. Exactly.
Notice all the "inevitablity" threads are started by non-Hillary supporters...just like this one.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:13 AM
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5. Yes They must get paid by some not very creative
organization that sends the same meme out daily

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:23 AM
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6. That's what I've seen,
and I think it's used to drum up indignation and outrage about Clinton's campaign in an effort to pull support away from her.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:29 AM
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7. As usual, they are barking up the wrong tree.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:02 PM
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15. 100% correct
I've never seen a Hillary supporter say it's "inevitable." I only ever see non Hillary supporters complaining about how Hillary supporters claim that her nomination is inevitable.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:33 AM
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8. It's an excuse that the other candidates use
to explain why they aren't doing better in the polls.

While Hillary laughs in the face of FOX News. B-)

Seriously - Iowa is still wide open, and everything can change after that.

But don't expect to win the nomination by bashing Hillary.

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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:06 AM
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9. I googled "Clinton" and "inevitable"
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 11:19 AM by robcon
19 of the 20 mentions on the first page are either very, very negative towards Clinton, or are dismissive of the idea that her nomination is inevitable. The Arizona Star is the only mention that deals with the inevitability without a sarcastic or disbelieving tone.

Again: the inevitability meme is almost exclusively created by those who are anti-Hillary.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:25 AM
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10. Actually it's the mainstream media that pushes the inevitability thing...
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 11:28 AM by polichick
They hype it the same way they hyped the war ~ and they don't have to use the word to do it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:28 AM
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11. no, they report on the campaign.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:47 AM
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12. My "data" on google dismissed that notion that the MSM does it.
19 out of 20 is a far more persuasive argument, IMO, than "They hype it."

It seems to me you've swallowed the line, polichick, that the MSM are making Hillary appear to be inevitable. You are unwilling to face the facts, or come up any evidence to support your notion, so you just state that the media do it without actually doing it ("they don't have to use the word to do it.")

Fascinating line of "reasoning."

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:54 AM
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13. As I said, the msm doesn't have to use the word "inevitability" so a Google search means nothing...
All you have to do is watch to see how it's done.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:56 PM
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16. Again... no evidence of the existence of your strawman.
I'm supposed to take your word for the idea that Hillary's supporters think Hillary's nomination is inevitable. The only people who seem to say that are anti-Hillary posters here on DU, and of, course, on DailyKos, where it seems to be a religious tenet, for which, like you, they don't believe evidence or proof are necessary.

I haven't seen it in the MSM. I haven't seen it on DU, except by anti-Hillary posters. Where the hell does your confidence in the existence of the "inevitable" meme come from?

There are 1.7 million mentions of "Hillary Clinton" + "inevitable" on Google. Why can't I find any by Hillary's supporters or by the MSM, except in a sarcastic or disbelieving context? Could you find some other words that give evidence that the "inevitable" meme is anything more than a convenient strawman by anti-Hillary people like you?
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:52 AM
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17. I read that Terry McAuliffe has been pushing the idea
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:53 AM by Apollo11
While I agree with her supporters that Hillary has some real strengths as a candidate, there is some evidence that her campaign is trying to promote the idea that she will be the nominee (i.e. it's inevitable).

San Francisco Chronicle, February 23, 2007

Flirting with Obama risks Clinton's wrath

The message to donors: Don't play the field

Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer


The message from the Clinton campaign, particularly its chairman, Terry McAuliffe, has been blunt, the strategist said, "that you're with us or against us. This isn't one of those races that you can max out (in contributions) to all the candidates. The message from Team Hillary is: We're ahead, we're going to be the nominee -- and we will remember who our friends are."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/23/MNGCAO9NS71.DTL
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:38 AM
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18. Oh, so the inevitability meme comes from the candidate.
This is shocking, horrible, surprising, and worthy of an analysis (and a push poll on DU!) because the candidate is suggesting in no uncertain terms that she is winning, and that she will win. :sarcasm:

Those sneaky Clinton campaigners. Next, I would be horrified if the Obama and Edwards camps spread the "meme" that Clinton will not win! :sarcasm:
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