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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:03 PM
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So many Young DU'ers ask over and over...WHY DIDN'T YOU (BOOMERS)DO SOMETHING?
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 06:12 PM by KoKo01
Like it was up to US to GET RID OF the BUSHIE SPAWN? After today's vote where Dems who were elected to "Stop the War" (according to Speaker Pelosi) cave and vote for Kyl/Lieberman (who didn't even WIN as a Dem) put forth their "ATTACK IRAN...and it's OKAY" AMENDMENT?

Many have said that the BOOMERS should have KEPT AT IT...NEVER GIVEN UP ..even with the FBI Infiltrators and being "bugged in their phones.." (small stuff after FISA) and we just went out and bought into the Repug Dream of "McMansions..BIG CARS...BIG EVERYTHING!"

Do some of you know, NOW...how hard it was for us to do anthing after all the shameless votes where we have Dems & Repugs joining to go against the BIG RICH AND FAMOUS?...To GO AFTER the CORRUPT DEMS who rely on REPUGS...being the PEDOPHILES, SEXUAL SOLICITORS and WHATEVER ELSE PREYING ON THE INNOCENT AND DEFENSELESS and represent THEMSELVES as the Party of Clean and Uncorruptable? (note: they are far better than the corrupt Repugs who've GONE WILD with POWER..in the past decades where they went after Clinton for LESS than THEY were ever involved in...all THESE YEARS!)

So...Blame the BOOMERS...... Dontcha THINK that Media DeRegulation and NAFTA and Media Consolidation Bill of '96...had more to do with this than "Boomers" who GAVE IT ALL UP?

When the US "House & Senate" vote to Censure FREE SPEECH OF "Move On.ORG.." WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

ALL THAT MONEY AND PHONE, FAXES and WHATEVER WE COULD DO...Meant NOTHING....NOTHING!!!

This is an ONGOING PROCESS...TAKING BACK AMERICA...but just MAYBE...AMERICA isn't "OURS" to "TAKE BACK.

What if we REALLY DON'T HAVE A COUNTRY, ANYMORE?

Please DISCUSS! I'm down in the dumps and want to hear HOPEFUL COUNTERS to my GLOOMY POST!!! Don't YOU SEE...what so MANY OF US were UP AGAINST?

Thanks..:-)'s and :-('s
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:06 PM
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1. A wise man once said Youth is wasted on the Young
Give them 30 or 40 years and they will wonder why whippersnappers are asking them - WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING? As we did it to our elders 30 or 40 years ago when all in the world was askew and none of it was our fault.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:12 PM
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4. I just edited my rant...fleshing it out...please re-read..
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:02 PM
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29. Yes, they'll have their turn to be castigated one day

and if we're still around, we'll have some good laughs about it! Plus, our grandchildren will love us when they're pissed at their parents. The wheel goes round and round.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:08 PM
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2. It's frustrating
to continuously feel out numbered and out gunned no matter which way you turn. There are days when I just want to give up, but I try to focus on the fact that American history is filled with dismal times and somehow I know we will weather this one, too.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:12 PM
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3. As I just said elsewhere...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:19 PM
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10. I used to think as you do..."This, too, will pass." I don't think so , anymore
because the "checks and balances" have gone...we don't know what we are up against and what the opposition is, anymore.

We don't know where the "guiding star is..the hope for future is" it's all dark and it comes in the dark and bites our butts...and yet we thought that if we "got involved and sent money...and spent time organizing Precincts and worked with our local State Party's we would MAKE PROGRESS!"

As to how what all worked out ....look at DU'er "Madfloridian's posts" here on DU about how Florida Democractic State Party treats folks (average citizens) who GOT INVOLVED...It's sad and sickening but it's gone on all over the US... I'm here in NC and can tell you...DEMS are really to the Center with Rahm Emmanuel and they look on "those who get involved" the way folks used to look on those with a DISEASE they must avoid.

:-(
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:29 PM
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11. So if you lived through...
slavery, the Civil War, the Depression, the Jonestown flood, the Haymarket Square riot... you would think each of them was the end of the world as you knew it?

It HAS been worse, and it WILL get better.

It just won't get as good as we want as fast as we'd like.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:32 PM
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12. I think the "evening out" of the travesties is at it's limit of how far one can string it out...
so..really...when you ask..I have to say...I see very DARK TIMES...like stuff we've not seen before. But does it mean that folks should go in a "box" and "tune it all out" like Solitary Confinement?

No...but we are headed for dark times that many will be caught "off guard" about... Just mho..
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:13 PM
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5. In recent years, the most active protestors against Bush have been retirees
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:32 PM
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13. thats what I was thinking
I was at the state capital protesting with my kids in the early 80's about lack of funds for schools.

we were always in the streets in the 70's, i was too young in the 60's. People are afraid now of what Bush will do to them but we had Nixon and he was a scarey son of a bitch.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:50 PM
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16. Sad thing is that for Most Americans with Kids, families & Jobs what Bush Can Do to Them
is MUCH WORSE than any of us feared Nixon could DO TO US! It was a DIFFERENT TIME.... We didn't have Total Media Control by Corporatists who supported the Gubbmint against "The People."

It's GROWN..."this cancer on the Presidency" and it's worse than ANYTHING we've EVER SEEN! With Media Complicity and Both Party Complicity.

There's NOWHERE FOR US TO GO FOR RELIEF! One would have to go back to "McCarthy America" to come somewhat close to what we are faced with these days.

Or...Hitler's rise in Europe and his sympathizers...

So..is it Media Control or just the "times we live in?" :shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:13 PM
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6. Best opportunity to stop BushInc was 1993 when they were at their most exposed and weakest point
after years of a few Democratic stalwarts PUMMELING Bush1 and his cronies for IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and illegal wars in Central America......

so....

what happened....


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

And what happened to the outstanding matters in BCCI report that called for further scrutiny?

Just read the 20 questions left unanswered, and it is apparent that had they been a priority for ANY administration, a 9-11 event would never have happened, and NO BUSH would ever be even allowed near the White House.


Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:


1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.


2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.


3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.


4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.


5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.


6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.


7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.


8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.


9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.


10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.


11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.


12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.


13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.


14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.


15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.


16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.


17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.


18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.


19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.


20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.




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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:46 PM
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15. Thanks for the reminder, blm!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:16 PM
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7. Look on the bright side...
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 06:18 PM by Atman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo



Some things in life are bad,

They can really make you mad,

Other things just make you swear and curse.

When you're chewing on life's gristle

Don't grumble, give a whistle.

And this'll help things turn out for the best.


And....

Always look on the bright side of life, (whistle)

Always look on the bright side of life, (whistle)


If life seems jolly rotten,

There's something you've forgotten,

And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.


When you're feeling in the dumps,

Don't be silly chumps.

Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing.


And...

Always look on the bright side of life. (whistle)

Come on...

Always look on the bright side of life...


For life is quite absurd,

And death's the final word,

You must always face the curtain with a bow.

Forget about your sin,

Give the audience a grin,

Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.


So always look on the bright side of death,

Just before you draw your terminal breath,

Life's a piece of shit,

When you look at it,

Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.

You'll see it's all a show,

Keep 'em laughing as you go.

Just remember that the last laugh is on you.


And always look on the bright side of life,

Always look on the right side of life,

Come on guys, cheer up.

Always look on the bright side of life.

Worse things happen at sea, you know.

Always look on the bright side of life.

I mean - what have you got to lose?

You know, you come from nothing,

you're going back to nothing.

What have you lost? Nothing!
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:17 PM
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8. Where was I?
Twenty years ago I was busting my ass and getting arrested trying to stop apartheid and protest nukes. Here we are 20 years later: apartheid has been dismantled, and nukes? Well, let me tell you kids, worrying about whether Iran has nukes, or whether BushCo is going to use nukes in its fuxed-up "crusade" is NOTHING compared with cold war fears. Every generation has its battles.

Damn straight we have a country, Koko, and the trials we're currently putting up with/getting fed up with should remind us all how important our freedoms are, and how important it is to exercise them.

Love your country! Fear your government! Let them know exactly how pissed off you are!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:17 PM
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9. Today's House vote clinches it. We don't have a country anymore.
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 06:18 PM by faygokid
Not sure you can blame anything on just one generation here, but as a Boomer, I accept the responsibility of my generation. Regarding today's vote:

"So this is how democracy dies. To thunderous applause."



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:44 PM
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14. Back to the question: Why Didn't Boomer's Save the World when they had the chance.......
Look at what's going on now...and tell me HOW...we coulda Saved the World...given that Carter was our ONLY Dem President...and he was a One Termer...not getting the mood of the Repugs correctly..and pissing off Dems?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 07:52 PM
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17. Unless we are willing to break away from the herd mentality
that all D's are good and all R's are bad, we'll have to accept what the monied interests throw our way. Except for one year (1992) I have always voted for the Dem nominee, not sure what I'll do come November, just voting according to party lines has not been the answer IMO. And not investigating as blm said above (under a Dem) gave way to Bush being elected and then his subsequent appointment of two Supreme Court judges.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 07:58 PM
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18. Boomers got their heads busted bringing the nam war to everyones attention, even the hardhats
kick the shit out of some of them until they finally got it and joined in the Viet Nam protest marchesLike the long hair or hippies had nothing to do with ending that war, what we're we fed? oh yeah, the US. was trying to stop the spread of communism... and Iraq we're going to give them democracy even if we have to shove it down their bleeding throats!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:05 PM
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19. Jesus. Until we found DU, we were isolated isands.
And now that we're here, I can tell the young'uns, if you want to avoid making another mistake, vote for someone who is running on a platform for change. Not one who will promise you more of the same. We got you this far, now you have to help us bring it home.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:15 PM
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20. As long as we're playing the generation game...
...where were the boomers in the late 90s when we had woken up to the mangled horror that globalization had become and got gassed and beaten protesting in Seattle, DC, etc? Oh, that's right, they were at home mocking us as Trotsky-come-latelies who didn't have any real issues to worry about and wanted to play activist for the camera. Even though we, at least, saw that we were going down a very dangerous road of which Iraq and other shenanigans were inevitable extensions and, ominously, only the tip of the iceberg.

But, hey, the generation game rarely stands up to a close observation, anyways...
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:52 PM
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21. I don't know how much of this is the Boomers fault
But my generation(around 30) have been economically, socially and politically told to sit down, shut up and like it- that we don't have any answers to the "complicated problems of our times" and given the smallest share of the pie that would still keep us alive.

Complicated...how about this:

-Wars are the worst way to solve problems
-Oil/fossil fuels are NOT the way to go
-Privatizing things like healthcare and the army are BAD IDEAS
-When you can nuke the world into oblivion 6x over, we don't need a new generation of them
-Debt based currency is STUPID! So is borrowing money from a country that thinks of you as competition
-Eliminating poverty is NOT entitlement. It's crime and disease prevention.
-Laws apply equally. "It's not illegal when the president does it" doesn't cut it.
-Corporations are not gods. They don't need to be fed whenever they squeal.
-Making people super rich by sucking it out of the rest of the country is not a valid economic system

I could keep going on. Not that complicated, not that hard to implement. Just a lot of old vampires that should have been staked during the Nixon fiasco.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:04 PM
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22. We elected a Congress to end the Iraq occupation - they voted to invade Iran

We're fucked.


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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:39 PM
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23. I don't see many young
at Peace Rallies, most of us have gray or graying hair, marching along with Veterans for peace who are in their early 80's.
Last Presidential election, some youngsters signed up to help me canvass for Kucinch, I bought clip boards, pens etc., was going to buy them fancy coffee (organic fair-trade) at our pre-canvassing meeting place, they did not show up. I was once awake 72 hours to both study, take my exams and help organize a peace march in the late 60's.
I have been shot at, on the UNM campus, never in the hot places I've been in like the Golden Triangle.
As for the environment, been there still doing that ... etc.
I lived in France for 20 years (but voted), came back because of sick parents.
After the 2004 elections saw many young people, some said they didn't vote because they didn't know which party was best, these were mostly single working mothers etc.

Don't blame the boomers! BLAME RAYGUN AND CORPORATISTS FOR THE PROGANDA AND DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA!
RAYGUN TOOK THE SOLAR PANELS JIMMY CARTER PUT ON THE WHITE HOUSE! He started the destruction of Air Traffic Control, etc.

Those Young who blame the Boomers should get off their i-Pods and MP3s and do some research. Of course they might be of the some ilk who called me a Communist in the late 50's when I was around 10 because I pointed out what my Uncle (who was a mining engineer in Mexico) related to us, like, the Company would go capture local Indians to work in the mines, submit them to a company store procedure and when their babies died of starvation, would force them to buy the Campell Soup crates to bury them in a 'Christian' manner.
Have they looked at the salt, sugar, fructose, etc. content of their food? do they buy Starbucks, etc.

End of rant although I could go on!
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:23 AM
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43. The boomers are the most self indulgent generation
in history. All of them, including my parents ,claim they fought this and that. BS. They left us with a neocon government. They didn't do shit in history. All they are doing is waiting for social security and they are going to turn over the mess they left to us.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:06 AM
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45. Welcome to DU, bamalib!
As I said, I am an old fart 60, and I have been a marching against wars, injustice, doing and done Green and my Sister was fired by RayGun from air traffic control, my father was forced out of retirement to teach scabs, etc. What did your parents do during the 60's and did they vote for Raygun, then they are Repukes. I am glad you are not, and get active!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:51 PM
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24. MAYBE...AMERICA isn't "OURS" to "TAKE BACK.
That about sums it up.

Hasn't been for awhile.

The internet has just made it seem more transparent.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:52 PM
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25. Yep, we young folks are just sitting on our asses expecting the boomers to save us
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 09:54 PM by WildEyedLiberal
Good lord - I can't say I've ever, in my three years on the blogosphere, seen ANY Gen Y or Gen X-er say "why didn't the boomers save us from Bush." I DO, however, see more than a few boomers imply that we are too obsessed with our iPods, American Idol, (insert fancy shmancy newfangled entertainment option here) to care about democracy, war, etc.

And by the way, speaking of McMansions, my generation will never be able to afford our own McMansions because of the skyrocketing price of housing and living standards and the resulting failure of income to keep pace. We are literally collapsing under the burden of college loan debt, ridiculously overinflated cost of living, and poverty level wages. But you boomers are the ones carrying the heavy cross... allrighty then.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:36 PM
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39. No, but some younger people are highly critical of boomers,

which is unfair, as is all criticism of entire groups. You just haven't seen the criticism of boomers because there is a good bit of it online and in the media. You say boomers criticize your generation for being obsessed with iPods and "American Idol," and I've never seen that criticism. Perhaps we only notice criticism aimed at our group?

No generation is perfect and no generation has had all the good things that the media portrayals show. Every generation faces a different world, with different opportunities and different problems.

We boomers never asked to be given all the publicity we've had. We didn't name our generation or yours. The media did that. We weren't/aren't the stereotypes we're alleged to be and neither are the younger generations, or the "Greatest Generation," either.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:53 PM
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26. if the boomers hadn't gone to sleep, this mess was preventable
:boring:

now the boomers wake up and are cranky about the younger people that they didn't influence while they were sleeping

:shrug:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:57 PM
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27. If you choose to listen to corporate media and swallow that story, whose problem is it?
I want my MTV? You guys are adults, you've chosen to be removed from things because it's easier to consume than think.

Don't blame the boomers who fought for the freedoms you get to take for granted.
:shrug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:59 PM
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28. your assumptions about who you're talking to are way off base AND you totally missed the point
maybe you replied to the wrong post. Some generic generational punching bag or other.

:hi:


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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:38 PM
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35. it was a generic reply to a generic comment
no offense meant to you Omega M.

The idea that the boomers were "asleep" is a media convention foisted upon the general public.

The filter wants it to appear that way; It just wasn't true.
The problem here is corporate media, and its portrayal of the generations as a stereotype.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:39 PM
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36. i was there
it's true
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:06 PM
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31. Oh, please. The truth is, a small group of people
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 10:07 PM by DemBones DemBones
run things and there's very little any of us can do about it. If you doubt that, go out and change the world. We'll be watching.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:08 PM
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32. as you say, it's SHEEPLE of any age that are the problem.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:17 PM
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33. Well, no, I didn't say sheeple are the problem,

I said a small group of people (very,very rich people, I should add) run things and there's very little any of us can do, very little we ever could do.

You are right that there are sheeple in every age group.

Sometimes, I wish I were one of the sheeple. I'm sure they are happier, not worrying about things they can't change.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:40 PM
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40. OK, YOU go out and save the world then.

We'll be waiting to see how it goes. Eventually I think you'll realize the game is rigged. We can keep fighting but it is an uphill battle and you are naive if you deny that.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:54 PM
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44. I'm sorry that was deleted -- not an attack -- and you still miss the point
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:03 PM
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30. X-CUSE ME??? Gee, I Was So Active And I'm STILL HERE!! n/t
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:45 PM
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37. I don't see how it's any particular generation's fault
Lots of the boomers I know have always been at least somewhat politically active. But lots never were and still aren't. I know tons of people from younger generations who believe politics is a "hobby"---one they aren't interested in. But plenty of others are paying attention, speaking out and doing something.

I just don't believe the boomers who were activists when they were younger all just gave up and went to sleep at some point. They were just eventually outnumbered by people who bought into the right-wing spin. And plenty of those people were new voters from the younger generation, the Alex Keaton yuppie generation. I don't see why boomers should take the blame for the world's woes. I know too many who have worked their asses off all their lives for change.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:25 PM
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38. There were plenty of boomers who never were politically active or hippies
Go to your library and look up Seventeen magazines from the late 1960s.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:09 AM
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42. Right, I actually remember them.
Although I was a young kid in the sixties. The boomer generation was like every other...there were lefties and righties and in-betweens. So I'm wondering why the boomers have been selected out as the generation who are/were supposed to change the world or take the blame otherwise. Because there were some politically active hippies in the sixties?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:03 AM
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41. Exactly right. nt
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Kuni Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:05 AM
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46. Us Boomers is old. Disco wore us out. We did our part; who do you think the Cocaine Cowboys were.
We are going to do what? Beat them with our canes? Our days of running down the street shooting at people (that’s “busting caps in their asses” for you young people who don’t know what ‘shooting people’ means) is decades past.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:56 PM
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47. Intergenerational stuff is bogus
I get sick of hearing about that wonderful Golden Generation or whatever the hell they call themselves.

We were all born when we were born. Sheesh.

Besides, there's not much that can be done to change the past.

This country should be more liberal with the boomers being in charge, though. At least, that's my knee jerk reaction. Why are there conservatives amongst the generation that was in college in the late 60s and early 70s? I guess there were more Dubyas than I'd thought. Shows how we can overgeneralize.

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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:15 PM
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48. "More Dubyas than I'd thought"
I think that's it. The liberal boomers were making the noise, but there was that so-called "silent majority" that right-wing christian leaders galvanized to vote and become more politically active. In the end, their side got out more voters.
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