BREAKING!!! Ron Paul wins the NV straw poll

[bigdarryl]

OH SHIT!!!! it wasn't even close I have not heard shit all day in the press about this. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/14/410525.aspx
Romney loses NV straw poll - First Read - msnbc.com

[jgraz]

1. Wouldn't it suck if the GOP nominee was more anti-war than ours was?

[PDJane]

4. His anti-war stance is fine.

His anti-government stance isn't.

Why do you guys keep electing a person who, by the nature of their beliefs, is unfit to lead the government of the people? It's bizarre....

[jgraz]

5. Oh, I think he's a nutbag. I just wish out top-tier candidates had his view on the war

[superkia]

31. And his view on the attack on the constitution and our rights.

I think the republican voters have seen enough political bullshit ruining our country and they want some real change in politics. If we can get the democratic voters to want a real change then maybe we will see our country take a new direction, looking at the polls, people really don't want change, they want what the media gives them. If we elect the wrong person this time, I hope after four years the democratic voters will then realize that electing people that don't speak for us, gets US nowhere!

[lojasmo]

54. Paul won't be the R. Nominee. EOM

[Capn Sunshine]

65. That's right

Even if he gets the most votes, there's NO WAY he would be the nominee

[hedgehog]

9. Absolutely, and for some voters, the war will be the most important issue.

Like it or not, they will select an anti-war Ron Paul over Hillary Clinton. It won't be enough for or candidate to be less bellicose than Guilianni; we need a real anti-war candidate!

[ozone_man]

10. That would suck royally.

I'm not a knee jerk Democrat, so I would probably vote for a peace candidate, hopefully one who was also a liberal. I think that would mean third party.

[thereismore]

15. Actually, I think it's so important to get out that I hope Paul is the reep nominee. nt

[RFKJrNews]

29. Would'nt it, tho'?

Jgraz, that WOULD be quite a slap on the backside!

Hmmm. Ron Paul won the NV straw poll? Fascinating.

No wonder you're not gonna hear about it on the MSM. Surprised much?

Only the chosen ones get favorable coverage, you know the story.

[Hippo_Tron]

41. Paul isn't anti-war he's isolationist

Pulling out of the United Nations isn't going to appeal to the anti-war left.

[tomreedtoon]

50. Yes, it would suck, and it's entirely possible for it to happen.

Look at the antiwar stances of the candidates. Look at who is being pushed as the "assumptive winner" of the Democratic nomination. It doesn't inspire a lot of hope.

[Drifter]

51. Suck nothing ...

If Paul was the nominee, he would get my vote (provided one of the top 3 Dems is nominated).
His outrage over the war more than makes up for his RW stances.

I will be casting my vote for the candidate who vows to bring are troops home immediately.

I have never ever ever ever ever voted for a Republican.
I have vowed that I would never ever ever ever ever vote for a Republican.

I will vote for a Republican President to bring our troops home.

Cheers
Drifter

[Arugula Latte]

2. Isn't there a large Mormon population in Nevada?

That is very interesting.

[Ian David]

14. My guess is the Vegas bookies tampered with the straw poll to make money

Easier to rig a straw poll than a horserace, if you have money invested in the longshot.

[oasis]

35. I haven't seen any Romney, McCain or Rudy campaign signs anywhere in Las Vegas. I've seen

many Paul signs everywhere, even in the low rent districts.

[opihimoimoi]

53. Me thinks them Master PUBs are PIGs at the trough...but their shit is stinking up the Nation, Planet

and Future....

Their sex scandels not withstanding is another issue ...severly diminishing their respect/credibility...Esp the larry Craig thing, Mark Fowley, etc etc...

But the excesses of BushCo has now moved to the fore....esp the threat of him declaring a National Emergency and suspending elections. The Laws have changed allowing for a such Take over ala Hitler in 1933/

History teach us shit...

I haven't seen a Bush, Romney, McLame, Rudy,... Bumper shit yet....

[oasis]

57. One thing is for sure Opi, I'm going to be working my ass off for Dems come election time.

:hi:Howzit brah?

[mmonk]

3. There is a rebellion in the republican party.

[madfloridian]

6. He would do away with Social Security, Medicare and social programs.

He has a good stance on the war, and that is just about it.

[thereismore]

16. no he wouldn't. nobody would be left in the cold. pretty much his words. nt

[gateley]

25. I heard him say that many of the things he opposes as a libertarian, wouldn't be

"high on his list" to tackle if he becomes president. That he realizes changes can't be made overnight without major disruption and fallout.

[Ian David]

20. If you could take Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Joe Biden's brains out...

... you could re-assemble them into a single good candidate and throw away all the unwanted pieces.

[John Q. Citizen]

34. And the Patriot Act. But yes, that is all. Still, I'm glad to see the dark horse

shaking things up. The Repos aren't gonna be happy, and that make me happy.

[bigdarryl]

7. More Ron Paul straw polls

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
Ron Paul 2008 › Straw Poll Results

[mikelgb]

21. hmm the Manchester one is interesting:

Manchester, NH Straw Poll 9/16/2007 1 65.0%

[AndyTiedye]

8. Ron Paul Winning the Republican Primary Would be a Very Good Thing

If the Republicans nominate Ron Paul, that would mark the end of the insidious coalition between the fundies and the robber barons.

That would also make it easier for a Democrat to win.

(Ron Paul would also be less of a disaster than any of the other Republicans if they steal another one. A horrible thought, I know, but after 2 consecutive stolen Presidential (s)elections one has to consider it)

[bigdarryl]

11. he's won ALL the debates in my opinion

[dugggy]

38. Stop drooling....Ron Paul has as much chance of being the nominee

as my Doberman Shepherd mix.

[Clark2008]

60. I'm betting your Dobe would be more honest.

:hi:

[dugggy]

64. and 100 times more lovable..

Than Ron Paul guy freaks me out. I think the last time he
had a happy smile was 25 years ago.

[mikelgb]

12. Ron Paul winning the nom would be great

he would all but force a progressive position on the War from the Dem

[ozone_man]

17. I hadn't thought of it that way.

That in itself is reason to support him, just to steer the debate away from who can rattle sabers more.

[CGowen]

13. And Paul wasn't even there....

Almost on cue, Romney said during his speech the next day to the group, “I’m from the Republican wing of the Republican Party,” eliciting a negative response from some rival campaigns and the Democratic National Committee. The DNC jumped and noted that he stole Chairman Howard Dean’s line from the previous election when he told voters he was “from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party” before losing to John Kerry.

[TroubleMan]

18. Ron Paul would be the most bearable repug president out of all their candidates.

There's no way he could end Social Security, tax, and all that other loony stuff he'd want to do. What he could do is withdraw the troops - that is within the power of the Presidency.

Still would hate it if he was Pres., but out of all the repugs, he's easily their best option.

[saracat]

37. Not if you are a women or gay he wouldn't be.

[TroubleMan]

44. I didn't know that he was worse than the other repugs as far as that was concerned.

I thought he was more Libertarian and not one of those religious fundies. Other than his anti-war stance and his idiotic stances on taxation, social security, and a few other financial matters, I don't know much about him.

I figured any elected repug would be bad for gays.

[silverback]

48. He's better actually...

One of his themes is that rights are inherent to individuals, not to groups.

Kinda hard to argue with that unless you don't think we should all be equal under the law.

[maximusveritas]

19. Funny, but I hope no one takes this seriously

This was just a straw poll at something called the "Conservative Leadership Conference", which only had 430 registrants at the opening of the conference. They didn't even check to see if the voters were Republicans. I know it's pretty obvious, but it still deserves mention just in case some people don't get it.

[jberryhill]

22. "the" NV straw poll

This was a self-selected poll of people who happened to be attending a libertarian-leaning conference in Reno.

The totals are interesting for reasons other than suggested by the headline:

Ron Paul
32.80%

Mitt Romney
16.13%

Duncan Hunter
14.52%

Undecided
11.29%

Fred Thompson
7.53%

Rudy Giuliani
6.45%

Alan Keyes
3.76%

Mike Huckabee
3.23%

Tom Tancredo
1.61%

John McCain
1.08%

Other
1.08%

Sam Brownback
0.54%

Notice how, at the low end, Brownback gets .54, the next two get 1.08 (i.e. 2 times .54), and the next one gets 1.61 (i.e. 2.98 time .54).

What these numbers suggest given the multiples of a figure that rounds to .54 is that there were about 185 people who voted in this poll, but they report the results to double-decimal precision, as if that sample of 185 people was in any sense indicative of something more than the ability to motivate about 60 people at a looney conference in a Reno gambling hall.

[skipos]

23. Wake me when he polls higher than 2% nationally. nt

[silverback]

49. WAKE UP! Gallup says 5% among Repugs n/t

[Canuckistanian]

24. Hannity, Limpballs and Billo hate him

Well, maybe not hate.

They've been TOLD to ignore and marginalize him.

He's not supposed to be in this line-up. He was supposed to have been cut about 3 months ago.

[gateley]

28. Yeah, and his campaign received $5 mil in contributions last quarter. So Limbaugh

Hannity and Bill don't rule the world like they think they do.

[sampsonblk]

26. I hope he gains in the polls

He is worth arguing with because he stands for RW 'values.'. The other GOPers don't have any beliefs. Its all slogans and advertising.

[RiverStone]

27. Ron - the GOOD and BAD

Kudos to Ron for his anti-Iraq War views. Damn, it rocks when he kicks rethug ass at the debates. Though to keep it in perspective, check out his wacko views on Choice and Immigration...

here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

[gateley]

30. I hope he gets the nom just to shut the other fucks up. They were making

fun of him at the beginning. Assholes.

I'm in agreement with some of his views, but not his staunch Christian or anti-choice views. I wonder how he handled those issues when he was running on the Libertarian ticket.

[Catherine Vincent]

32. Who gives a ****?!

[On the Road]

36. ""Who gives a ****?!

Do you know what a strong showing by Paul would do to the antiwar sentiment in the country? Not to speak of what it would do to the Republican party?

I don't know if Paul represents a majority of GOP voters. But he does represent a big chunk of the base that is getting shut out by the national machine. It's as much of an issue for Republicans as it is Democrats.

[Dob Bole]

33. Ron Paul is more right about the war and Patriot Act than the Democratic nominees...

...at least the Democratic nominees who are leading right now. I hope he wins the GOP nomination, to make it safe for the Democratic winner of the election to do something about those issues.

[David Zephyr]

39. Kick.

n/t

[saltpoint]

40. I selfishly hope that Paul's candidacy destabilizes the Republican 2008

campaign.

I don't think much of Paul myself.

But if he can sow chaos on the GOP nominating process, he might be marginally useful.

[AlCzervik]

43. i hope it's a Paul/keyes ticket-bring da crazy boys.

[saltpoint]

45. LOL! There it is. Paul / Keyes. Just the combo they need for that big tent

we keep hearing about.

[Mark E. Smith]

42. Puglies Are In A Free Fall

What the Ron Paul boom tells me is that the GOP rank and file
doesn't give a damn for their so-called "leading candidates."

Big time loss of faith on the right. They know they've lost and
they're deserting their party's establishment in droves.

[Palladin]

46. Paul also won the Oregon Repub straw poll

last week, by a margin of 65% Paul, 35% other Repubs (Guiliani:1%). We know (personal knowledge) that the local precinct and city Repub leaders are coming over
to Paul in Seattle and Spokane. We know (personal knowledge) that the local Democratic leaders, the Greens, the Libertarians, the Constitution party people, and some local Repubs are coming over to Paul in Southwest Oregon. It's happening all over the country, spontaneously. It is a good thing folks. As many here have said, it's a rebellion by the Republican rank and file. It's also a rebellion by the hordes of young people working for the man. And it's going to be good for the Democratic party too, if it leads to a shake-up in the anointed Democratic elites as profound as is going to smack the Repub elites. Pretty soon the neocons of both parties are going to start opening up on Paul.

'Twas nearly 40 years ago, when many of us were working for Clean Gene McCarthy.........remember that? Peace and Justice? The Peace and Freedom party? Those heady days may come again, for this young generation.

[Supersedeas]

56. I guess the GOP Elite Controlled Media have decided not to report this

[eridani]

47. What this means is that a lot of grassroots Repubs want the war OVER

Why aren't we taking advantage of that?

[Snarkturian Clone]

52. I keep picturing Ron Paul in a debate with Hillary

and saying "I'm against the war. Bring home the troops." and then Hillary will be like "Ok, I'll bring home the troops tooo!!!!" just to sway his voters to her side. Then we all win.

[jmp]

55. The only thing more useless than a "straw poll" ...

Is a corporate Democrat.

[ronnykmarshall]

58. I don't count this guy out.

When I was up in Atascadero (Central Coast of California) I saw several Ron Paul stickers and some large signs. Atascadero is GOP country.

[Clark2008]

59. So how come we can't seem to get Kucinich a win?

Seriously?

Why are Republicans more independent-minded than Democrats are in this case?

[Renew Deal]

61. See, they hacked the vote by cloning supporters

Hackers!

[Forkboy]

62. Well, I guess he's the littlest idiot out of the bunch of idiots they're running.

But he's still crazier than Charlie Manson eating a bowl of Fruit Loops.

[bullwinkle428]

63. Ron Paul is spending plenty of money on radio commercials in Iowa -

I've been hearing several of them in the last week around here. Contrast with my own personal choice, Edwards, who hasn't spent any money yet on radio or TV spots...