i find posts suggesting segments of DU Leave and start their own board disturbing

[sniffa]

this isn't your board, it's everyone's board.

and aLso, you're not that important to think that your segment of DU is the right one.

[JeffR]

1. Damn. I was just going to post something about DUzy winners

leaving. Never mind!

[Yael]

15. And I would like to nominate this response for a DUzy

:evilgrin:

[ruggerson]

2. Green Party

Green Party. Not "segments of DU."

Learn to read.

[mike_c]

4. bro, I'm Green just to piss you off....

It's too easy! :rofl:

[ruggerson]

5. Takes a lot more than that

I'm usually just distractedly amused.

[PurityOfEssence]

37. Nah, it's a permanent snit.

When a whole bunch of very different people say effectively the same thing, they're generally on to something.

[ruggerson]

39. gee I'm genuinely sorry if you think you piss me off

have you responded to my other post yet?

[PurityOfEssence]

45. Yep, but the schtick's mighty silly.

You're trying to show me and others that we don't get to you, obviously to make us seethe that you're merrily above it and in a beatific and bemused mood, yet you fight mightily and defensively. It' doesn't really back up the contention.

For others, the silly sparring is on the Green Underground thread.

Don't forget to fly south, it's getting chilly up here.

[ruggerson]

47. I don't know about "mightily and defensively"

but I do stand up for what I believe to be true. And you have somehow relegated, in your mind, everyone who believes that we all owe it to each other to vote for the eventual Democratic nominee to a little backyard pen you label "conservative."

Which is, actually (and I know you hate to hear this) very narcissistic. Which, is more of a leftist principle, community or individualism? Seems the argument could be made that the narcissists who won't vote for the Democratic nominee (whomever it is) are not really in touch with communitarian values.

What really irritates you, simply, is that I disagree with the concept of voting third party when the future of the world is at stake, and that I voice that opinion without reservation. You're not going to change my mind on that, I'm afraid, no matter how many curious posts you type trying to analyze what personally motivates me.

[burythehatchet]

13. I'm an honorary Green today for the same purpose.

[sniffa]

7. i can read just fine

as much as i Loathe you, you're not so important that i started this thread for you. i know what you said, and i know what caLteacherguy said, and i know what generic DUer said.

i hope you continue to kick this thread though.

[ruggerson]

10. gLadLy

and I don't Loathe you back, I Love you, man. TruLy. Wicked Honest.

[Rhythm and Blue]

19. not quite doing it correctLy.

his (in my opinion) siLLy poLicy is to only capitaLize the letter L, and to Leave everything eLse Lower-case. this does not seem to appLy to the Letters "DU," however.

[ruggerson]

20. My bad

in the future i wiLL attempt to foLLow the appropriate guideLines.

[sniffa]

21. thank you

you're a peach.

[hisownpetard]

12. Haven't a clue what this thread is about but, for once, I'm perfectly fine with that!

[tkmorris]

36. "Learn to read"??

What the hell is the matter with you that you have talk to people like that? And please don't give me that standard excuse of eight year olds everywhere "They started it".

Come on ruggerson, we're all DU'ers here. Let's try to treat each other with respect, even in disagreement.

[derby378]

3. Whomever suggested that, it wasn't me...

I know there was that big to-do over Lieberman vs. Lamont last year, but even so, I didn't want Liberman's supporters to bail, y'know.

We're a big fat dysfunctional family - but we need to be there for each other. And usually we are.

:hi:

[asthmaticeog]

6. Some segments of DU *have* left to form their own boards.

A few of them, I wish could/would still participate in DU. Some of them can HAVE their little fucking private sandboxes. But I agree with you that people who make the leap of deciding all by themselves that DU is the exclusive property of people who believe exactly as they do 100% on every possible point of political doctrine are corpsefucking douchehammers. :thumbsup:

[sniffa]

9. those boards are creepy

after reading what some of them have written, i hope they stay there.

mmmm, douchehammers. :9

[asthmaticeog]

28. What I really love...

...is when they use the same usernames on other boards and shit talk DUers, like nobody ever lurks in their little playgrounds. Hell, that's how I knew a certain unaccountably beloved Lounger was a twisted fucking creep well before a recent flareup finally proved it to the rest of DU. :D

And brotha, amen! If you gots no use for a perfectly good douchehammer, ain't no helpin' ya! :bounce:

[sniffa]

33. i know. that kiLLs me

at Least some of the bigger creeps have the sense to use a different name. others i guess, have swagger to post openLy.

[Fridays Child]

11. Corpsefucking douchehammers? Can I borrow that?

I'm not sure where I would ever use it but you never know. And it has such a lyrical quality. ;)

Seriously, though, disagreements are DU's lifeblood. It's the mean-spirited piling on that's discouraging.

[asthmaticeog]

29. It's yours. Spread the love.

You do have to admit, though, sometimes a pile-on is justified. And that's when it's fun! ;)

[Forkboy]

8. Every time I see a post like that it makes me want to meet some Greens just to invite them here.

[bagrman]

14. Divide and concur. It's an easy ploy, people fall for it so easily.

Use the same logic that you wish the Booshies used in looking at their own Leader.

[mike_c]

18. ding, ding, ding-- best typo of the day!

:rofl:

[asthmaticeog]

32. NO SHIT!

I *have* to find a way to use that! :D

[bagrman]

49. Thank you, thank you .

[Rhythm and Blue]

16. If you declare your intent to work against the Democratic nominee, you do not belong here. nt

[skipos]

17. Actually, it's not "everyone's board." Do you see Republicans here?

The board is what *Skinner* wants it to be. Not me. Not you.

[Gormy Cuss]

23. Stop picking nits.

To interpret the OP's use of "everyone" as meaning anything other than the definition outlined in the DU rules is just that.

2. Who We Are:
Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

[Rhythm and Blue]

25. Allow me to direct your attention for a second.

"Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.."

People who announce their decisions to support the Greens, Republicans, or any other opponents to the Democratic nominee in 2008, do not belong here.

[Gormy Cuss]

27. Yes, that's in my previous post.

I don't see how it's so hard for some to understand that definition. It's not the "AllPoliticalViewpointsUnderground." There are other boards for people who support specific political ideologies. I haven't signed up for FreeRepublic because it's pretty clear from their rules that my viewpoint is not welcome there. I also wouldn't sign up there to recruit new members for DU.

[Rhythm and Blue]

31. I know.

The threads the OP is referring to are threads in which Greens (and others who have stated an opposition to HRC's general election bid) are asked to leave DU, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Democratic Underground is not the place to work for Democratic defeats.

[MadHound]

22. Hear, hear

I find this sort of hateful rhetoric disturbing to say the least. Sure, we had massive flamewars during the '04 primaries, but we didn't have these calls to ban entire swathes of people or form other boards. The fact that these sorts of calls are coming from one particular group not only reflects bad on them, but also on their candidate.

If this continues I imagine that this board is going to go to pieces ripped apart by the partisan lockstep thinking of a small minority of posters. Truly a shame.

Hell, there's a post floating around since last night calling Skinner an idiot simply for allowing different viewpoints. It's getting insane, this level of hate.

[ruggerson]

24. My dear Mad Hound

I think you misread the post referring to Skinner. That poster is referring to what disaffected LOONS on OTHER boards are saying about DU and Skinner. Former DU'ers who are now resentful and angry. I'm fairly sure that is what the poster is referring to. But, as usual, I could be mistaken.

[LoZoccolo]

26. This isn't everyone's board. n/t

[cobalt1999]

30. I'd wish certain segments would quit threating to leave the...

democratic party and this site, but still hang around bashing democrats and those that stick up for them.

Basically, they need to shit or get off the pot. No one cares if they don't support a potential nominee, just go pout in one of the many places that already bash democrats.

[RebelSansCause]

34. the funny thing is

lately the GD and GDP boards have been filled about how HRC is the runaway nominee, how it is inevitable, how nothing can stop this wonderful person sent from God to save us from the great skin eating nematoads. or some such crap. just the other day "no person after leading 20% blah blah blah" half the rhetoric comes from the fact that people are tired of hearing about this "runaway winner" people can still say they will not support her for a general election bid, becaues guess what? she IS NOT the nominee. get it? NOT the nominee. i personally shall not lend her my support in ANY fashion if she is the nominee. i will vote democrat, maybe. if NY does not need my vote, then screw that. i will write in colbert. but i am not leaving the boards. if we take the assumption that she is the nominee, and mind you this is an ASSUMPTION, then i shall simply remain mute on the matter. i shall go to talk about atheism or maybe chill in the lounge. whatever. so people should stop taking their righteous high-minded ideas about what should and should not be done about the "evil crowd" and shove it you know where. and people, please stop telling me hillary is inevitable. it just makes me so... --> :grr: :mad: :banghead: :grr: :mad: :banghead: :grr:

EDIT: spelling error :(

[AntiFascist]

35. Timing is everything...

we should have every right to criticize Hillary while she is running for the nomination, no matter how far ahead she is in the polls. Once she wins the nomination, then I might join LavenderLiberal and raise a stink there. :9

[sniffa]

40. why haven't you joined aLready?

it's not in my sig for nothing.

[AntiFascist]

46. ok I wiLL n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

38. Conservatism is typified by a demand that other mindsets don't have a right to exist

The whole heart of conservatism is certainty and faith. (This doesn't mean that all with faith are conservative or all conservatives are religious, it just shows the similarity between the two: they're all about cocksure adamance.)

Brittle, rigid certainty HATES dissent. Not only does it rattle their tidy worldview--which was often arrived at out of a shrieking fear of doubt or thinking--but it simply shouldn't exist. Once one has convincingly arrived at what is "correct", the incorrect shouldn't be tolerated, and those who think it should have something wrong with them. They should go away. They're bad.

Why is it that the Clinton supporters are the most outraged at anyone lambasting their champion? It's because of many reasons, but a big one is that a lot of them are more conservative (not that they're "conservatives" per se) than other Democrats. She's the most conservative of the candidates; her and their voting records confirm this.

There's also that emotional gender issue, which everyone is loathe to even address, except for the fairly frequent dismissal of Clinton opponents as misogynists.

Another explanation of the extreme intolerance is another example of conservatism: a rosy and distorted view of the emotionally sweet past. Bill Clinton was not all that good. He dragged the party to the right and his admirable achievements are amply countered by his allegiance with causes of the right. People hate having their versions of history challenged, though, and true believers exist on the left as well as the right, and generally greater at the fringes. That's what fringes are about.

I agree completely: telling people they're not fit for this board is repulsive. Diminishing them by typifying them as childish is sickening. For far too many Clinton partisans, if one disagrees with their heroine, they're either a bolshevik, an atheist, a misogynist or a goose-stepping fascist swine.

Funny how those who sling some of the vilest mud are puffed up with sanctimonious dudgeon that anyone would take them to task for the evasive, whoppertunistic, corporatist self mis-representation of that most pristine of all genuine articles: the ex-Republican, Illinois-Arkansas-Washington Democratic Senator from New York.

[calteacherguy]

41. This is absolutely NOT everyone's board.

Please review the DU rules and regulations for posting here.

[DemBones DemBones]

42. You registered in May 2007 and want to be the enforcer?

:rofl:

[Rhythm and Blue]

50. Can't speak for him, but you can't always believe registration dates.

I'm on my fourth name. Haven't been tombstoned, either; I just get bored with names or get sick of people saying "exactly what I'd expect from you."

[sniffa]

48. if you reaLLy want to review the ruLes..

you vioLate them quite often.

[DemBones DemBones]

43. So do I, especially since they are from relative newbies.

People who weren't here in 2004 misread the rules to say we all have to unite behind the "inevitable" candidate right now.

Are they really pro-Clinton or are they here to make everyone turn against her? They're doing a good job of the latter.

[mtnsnake]

44. Very true, sniffa. Besides, DU wouldn't be half as appealing if everyone agreed all the time

Just as sure as Hillary is the Goddess of Peace, so it is that variety is the spice of life! :evilgrin: