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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:33 PM Original message |
So Bill Clinton Has No Idea What "Swiftboating" Means. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do you have a link to where Bill tried to spin this? |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
74. Any little nuances to try to flame Hillary Clinton the Obama supporters |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Actually, I think Clintons DO know exactly what swiftboating is.... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. BLM, here is a video link to someone demonstrating how not to pile on |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bill did not she had been swift-boated, so why spread falsehoods? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. he alluded to it when commenting on the debates. Why? There was no context for it. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
84. Alluded to it... Interpreted it that way. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. Obviously, you also have no idea what 'swiftboating' means. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
89. There was a solid implication there |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Yes, I do. And there is NO reason for him to allude to swiftboating in the context of the debate |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. There Was A Very Good Reason |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. No, you don't. Bill wasn't attacking Democratic candidates at all. |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. What Bill meant by "cutesy land" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #35 |
78. Your candidate, Dodd, "fell for it" too. So did Edwards. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
90. straw man alert - the op did not say who was doing the swiftboating |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. i didn't hear what he said but maybe just made a bad comparison, i think Bill Clinton |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Here's what Bill really said |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. One more time- using the word 'swiftboat' has no relevance to what happened. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. One more time - Clinton never said it does |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Then why use the term? How was it relevant in regards to the debate as it happened? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Cant you read? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. You didn't even read my OP. I SAID Clinton doesn't know what Swiftboating means |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Once again - Clinton didn't say that Hillary was swiftboated |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Did Bill ever say "swiftboating"? If not, how do we know he's ignorant as to its meaning? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yes, he said Kerry and Cleland were swiftboated |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. No, he did not. The word "swiftboated" was not spoken, as your transcript supports |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. He didn't use the word "swiftboated". |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. I was calling BS on the OP. You were in the crossfire. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Sorry bout that, and you're absolutely right |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Coming Next... |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
66. Read my post, above |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bills Actual Comments (transcript): |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Thank You |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. What Bill is saying -- |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Sorry - I Believe We Have An Obligation To Go After Advocates Of Torture, War-For-Kicks, ... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. I'm sorry |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Accusing Clinton, We = Democrats (nt) |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Clinton is a Torture advocate? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Here - |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I don't live in your world. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Good for you |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Some Things Are Shades Of Gray |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. No place in the quote-- |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Uh |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Uh |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. That In No Way Disagrees With Her Statement That She's OK With Some Torture |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. you just proved my point because that is NOT what swiftboating means. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Oh? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Read the post again. I said swiftboating as it happend to Kerry. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Read BC's quotes again |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
91. No it might provide some ammunition to use against them |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Or he's comparing the media coverage he was expecting after the debate... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. That is NOT swiftboating. Hence you prove my point. He doesn't know what the word means |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Bill Clinton didn't say that Hillary Clinton was swiftboated. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Thanks for posting it. Swiftboating has NO MEANINGFUL RELEVANCE in context. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The context is how low and dishonest republicans are. What could be more relevant? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. What does the debate AS IT HAPPENED have to do with swiftboating? How can Hillary's actual words |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. He never said anyone had swiftboated Hillary. (I'm voting for Biden, BTW, but there's |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Some DUers don't care about that |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Where did I say he was dishonest? I didn't. I said he must not know what the word means |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. You've said a lot of things, all of them wrong |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
71. I have two problems with what Bill said: |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. In fairness, the term has changed meaning |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. I heard Clinton's comments, and your subject line is UNTRUE. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. The OP still thinks it's OP was correct |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Did he bring up the term? Yes. Was it relevant? NO. So he must not know what it means |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. He said that Kerry and Cleland were swiftboated, and he is right about that |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
58. It's a hackle-raiser, I guess. Oblique, but that's the purpose. It's still not true, though. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You're absolutely right |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. One more time. YES Kerry was 'swiftboated'. And that had NO RELEVANCE to the debate. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. One more time - CLinton said that Kerry was swiftboated, NOT Hillary |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. The President was going after RUSSERT. If you actually listened to what the man said, you would see |
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bfantana (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
75. Shouldn't Russert "be shot" as suggested by Mark Penn's colleagues |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:49 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Frankly, I think he should be shot, and replaced by David Gregory. |
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bfantana (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:07 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. If Hillary's campaign wants to put out Death Threats to NBC |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You enjoy your stay, now.... nt |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
26. Cryingshame, don't you know spinning is everyday speech for Clintons |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
28. Am I the only reasonable person on here? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. You're right. Reading comprehension is the first casualty of primary season |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. Thanks for posting... I was going by DU OP subject lines |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. No, you aren't. I'm an UNDECIDED VOTER, and I can smell the bullshit from here. NT |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. It's a crying shame that you are clearly clueless |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
45. 8 more years of this shit |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Yes, let's blame the Clintons for cryshame's swiftboating |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
60. Doesn't swiftboating have the same meaning as |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
68. I am not a Hillary Clinton fan |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
72. Goodness folks. I was under the strong impression |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Oh, stop making sense!!!! |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
85. And Al Gore invented the internet.... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. And Dennis Kucinich bankrupted the city of Cleveland... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. it's Wabbit Season! |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
92. OP is complete fiction - uninformed, or intentionally misleading? |
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