Texas to Edwards: We don't need no pretty boys... (IVR Poll- HRC 51%, BO 17%, JE 11%)

[Yukari Yakumo]

IVR Polls (TX) Nov. 8 (Change since Aug. 30):

Hillary Clinton 51% (+14.3)
Barack Obama 17% (-0.6)
John Edwards 11% (-3.6)
Bill Richardson 10% (+1.1)
Dennis Kucinich 2% (-1.2)
Joe Biden 1% (-3.2)
Christopher Dodd 0% (0)
Mike Gravel 0% (-1)
Undecided 8% (-5.7)

Another state showing >50% support for Clinton in the primary.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Tsk, Tsk. Was that the nicest headline you could think of?

[BlueStater]

6. Hillary has such endearing supporters, doesn't she?

All so dignified in victory. :sarcasm:

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Uh ....

Stereotype much?

[Timefortruth]

69. Who else campaigned like this? nt

[Yukari Yakumo]

7. I could've pointed out this is the lowest Edwards has polled in Texas.

Plus I could easily imagine a Texan (and not necessarily a redneck) saying Edwards is a pretty boy... among other things.

[last_texas_dem]

9. You probaby can't even imagine some of the things I've heard them say about Clinton. nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Just messin' with you. I do not care for Edwards

[Ninga]

14. Let's talk when Texas wakes up......Iowa, NH, NEV and the other early states are the ONLY ones

following this race so far.....and of course DU.


But I think you know that already....

[durrrty libby]

24. Hey Aya looking forward to your next maps poll

[movonne]

30. I guess you just can't be too good looking...nor can you be too ugly nor

can you be too liberal nor can you be too short nor can you be too smart...texas also voted for bush for governor and then president...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I'm Disappointed Too

The atmosphere is toxic here...

It's the hate that hate produced...

[Bongo Prophet]

32. I am trying to change that, in my own small way

I guess I prefer high road politics, and sticking to issues as much as possible, so stay out of the internecine wars. BUT, it has gotten so bad, and I prefer my dem with less scars, and my DU with less animosity. This loooong pre-primary anomalie has caused more strife than ever, exacerbated by Bush fatigue, and it will be more difficult to heal our rifts.

When the nom is chosen (and we actually get to vote in the damn primaries, sheesh) we will need to work together for the greater good. The time to start easing up on the name calling and related BS is NOW, or at least sooner the better. We have a hydra to slay.

4-8 years of relative sanity can be an island in the storm. While not the "promised land" it will be a base from which to go forward. Anyone serious about progressive reform should be able to agree on that.

[Ninga]

77. There is a lot of truth to the saying "ugly is as ugly does"

[BeyondGeography]

2. Guess you don't need Edwards' supporters in HRC's corner going forward, either

[Bongo Prophet]

49. We will need ALL dems for WHOEVER the nominee is

Please don't let the jerks from ANY candidate sway you from that.
Some may be not what they appear to be.

I understand and sympathize with the frustration, though.
We are cats, unherdable by nature, and often scratching and howling at each other.
But it's a scary thing when cats attack as a group.
We can bring down an elephant!

(Historical note: Democrats came very close to having the Tiger as our symbol. too bad the Nast 'toon overrode that)

[itsrobert]

3. Figures Hillary would play good in a Republican shithole

oops, I meant stronghold.

[Bucky]

8. Texas Democrats are REAL Democrats.

We lost our DINOs years ago. Don't fuck with Texas Democrats. We've learned to fuck back.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Hats off to Texas Dems. I can't be easy.

[Bucky]

44. You can't? Don't worry. I'm easy enough for the both of us.

[Bongo Prophet]

53. You're right, but we are trying to get it back!

Many Old Texas Dems were often not very progressive to start with, but the Oily Boys went GOP, and many shenanigans took place in terms of votes in the Karl Rove era.

BUT there is a strong culture of progressive populism, best exemplified by Ivins, Richards, Hightower, et al.
And we do NOT give up easily. Remember the Alamo and all that.

I love that sigline too btw - brilliantly, darkly funny!

[durrrty libby]

15. Atta boy, denigrate an entire state. It's so Edwards-like

(Just sling shit any ol way) :wow:

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[itsrobert]

25. Live in Texas for three years

It's a shithole.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Probably has gotten better ..

since you left.

[itsrobert]

34. Yup!

For me!

[tammywammy]

33. No, you're just an asshole that happened to live in Texas

[itsrobert]

57. I'm sorry, but the childish attacks by the Hillary Campaign

has made me stoop to their level. Texas ain't a shithole.

[avrdream]

52. LIved in San Antonio for 8 years.

Not a shithole.

[MagickMuffin]

55. Looks like you live in a Republicon shithole yourself since you're in San Diego

NOT everyone in Texas is a republicon. You should choose your words more carefully.

There are A LOT of good liberals and progressives in Texas. Just because there are a lot of Texas transplants who took control of our state doesn't mean everyone is like that here. Just like I'm sure there are good people in San Diego.:evilgrin:

[Bucky]

4. So you're calling Obama ugly?

My better nature believes you were trying to inject some humor into this thread.

You failed.

[last_texas_dem]

5. Most Texans aren't even paying any attention

to the horserace because the nominee is always already chosen by the time of our primary.

Just sayin'...

[venable]

75. fact is, most americans are not paying attention

and those that are not just say HRC in the polls. or they are saying they won't vote for her, because, you know, way back when and all...

those that are paying attention, the dems, for the very large part, I'd wager, dislike her intensely.

but 85-90% of the country doesn't even really know there's a primary season about.

[liskddksil]

You guys are really making it hard to support your candidates

With this nonsense of personal insults and booing those who disagree on policy. This type of attitude is not going to endear voters to your cause.

[bluestateguy]

10. Texas considers any male Democrat a pretty boy and any woman Democrat a radical, man-hating feminist

nt

[durrrty libby]

19. Another with the broad brush.

[last_texas_dem]

38. Yeah, but if by "Texas" he means the majority of Texans

his "broad brush" is pretty much true, at least in my experience.

[durrrty libby]

48. No, broad brushes are not true. That would be a stereotype

and the next thing ya know...... bigoted

[tammywammy]

28. Yeah, we all really hate that bitch Ann Richards

:eyes:

[bluestateguy]

40. OK, that was in 1990. That was 17 years ago.

You forget about that subsequent election she lost to a certain someone.

In fact, when was the last time a Democrat won a statewide election in Texas?

[last_texas_dem]

46. Dan Morales in '98, I think

Since Bush has either been Pres. or on the ballot it hasn't been good for TX Democrats. I'm hoping it will improve when he's no longer Pres., but I'm not that optimistic at this point.

[bluestateguy]

79. That is not correct

He stepped down when his term ended in early 1999. He was replaced by John Cornyn.

[last_texas_dem]

81. It's worse than I thought then

The '94 elections must have been the last ones where any Democrats won statewide.

[Yukari Yakumo]

82. The last time a Dem won a state-wide election in Texas.

1990 - Ann Richards winning the Governorship.

No Dem has won a state-wide election in Texas since then.

The last time a Dem won a Senate election in Texas was in 1988 (Bentsen).

[last_texas_dem]

84. No, the Democrats actually won many of the statewide offices in '94

Richards was defeated, but Bullock, Morales, and several others won that year.

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/enr.html

It wasn't until '98 that the Repugs started sweeping the statewide offices.

[Bongo Prophet]

47. How DARE you diss Ann---oh wait, heeehee. HI Tammywammy!

YES we Texans are perhaps better off with one less detractor.
OF COURSE there are a lot of assholes here.

And a lot of REALLY GOOD people too!
Wow, who could imagine that?

Too much feces slinging and broadbrushing is a human trait - well, predates humans, actually.
At least the feces flinging part, n'est pas?

[tammywammy]

50. Yep.

There are assholes everywhere. But you know, where I live and work, I don't really interact with any. I proudly wear my tshirt for dems and never once has anyone said anything or even looked disapprovingly at me.

The fact of the matter is, is that this state is turning blue again. The only reason Perry's governor is because we don't have runoffs in this state. More people voted against him than for him.

And really, fuck all these people broad brushing Texas.

[Bongo Prophet]

56. Yeah that cigar sucking pontificator spoiled it for us last time, what a mess

Hey, we are in DFW area - are you up here or Austin or...?

Hell effin yeah, it may take awhile, but we are trending back toward the Blueness.
Either blueness or secession. Either way, good for USA.:)

[tammywammy]

59. I'm in the DFW area

:)

Arlington specifically.

Blue eventually. Maybe next governors race (finger's crossed), but maybe the one after that. It's coming, I feel it.

[Bongo Prophet]

66. Hey neighbor. Yes there is a breeze blowing, even in this area.

Haltom City here, shadow of Fortress Worthy, aka Cowtown.

Still have my Kerry Edwards bumper sticker, and people don't flip me off or try to drive me off the road anymore. Yea!

[MagickMuffin]

58. The ONLY reason Good Hair Perry won is because of how many candidates on the ballot

Stinky Kinky was one of the main distractions.

I believe Chris Bell would have won had it not been for the split votes. Good Hair Perry would not have won.

And I think you are correct we are turning blue, and it isn't necessarily from holding our breath.:rofl:

[tammywammy]

62. My boyfriend admited that he voted for Kinky

x(

I gave him a little earful on that. At least he didn't vote Perry, or I would have had to break up with him. :)

[MagickMuffin]

70. Remember this Kinky quote

"If Perry wins I'll retire from politics, if Bell wins I'm moving to France with Barbara Streisand, and Strayhorn wins I'll fucking blow my head off."

Recently he has made a statement that he is considering running for governor again.:eyes:

[tammywammy]

71. I know, I read that about him thinking again

I mean it's hard to imagine how someone could fuck up more than Perry, but when you really imagine it...it's Kinky that could.

Just thinking about him makes me want to beat him with my shoe.


edited to add: That would be Kinky I'd want to beat with my shoe (it's only a flip flop so it wouldn't hurt) not my boyfriend. :P

[MagickMuffin]

73. I've got some heavy boots if you need them

Kinky could use a good boot up his ass. I thought you were talking about Kinky.
But if your boyfriend votes for him again then he deserves the flip flop beating, be gentle though:evilgrin:


Check out my comic from back when Kinky made that comment in my previous post. It's the last one on the page from Nov. 2, 06

http://comlogic.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html

[Texas_Kat]

78. Yeah, like Molly Ivins and Anne Richards

Barbara Jordan and Lady Bird.....sure.

[KittyWampus]

11. I really, really don't appreciate "pretty boy" reference. Edwards isn't my fav, but damn

[noamnety]

17. Please don't use this forum

to echo talking points from sexist and homophobic assholes, or promote ugly stereotypes of entire populations.

Thanks.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Nice freeper headline.

[Beaverhausen]

21. Could you Hillary people be any more obnoxious?

[ronnykmarshall]

26. Uh ........ helllo?

[Beaverhausen]

31. oops- not you of course!

But some of the others, come on. They aren't doing her any favors!!! I assume they will want the rest of us to support her IF she wins the nom.

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Oh I hear that!

BTW :loveya:

[Beaverhausen]

43. oh- see, you are a good Hil supporter!

:loveya:

[Bongo Prophet]

61. There are plenty of good Hillary supporters! And Obama, Edwards, Kuinich, etc

It's kind of like a Newton's law of assholery - equal and opposite reaction, you know?

We can spread some love around, and still disagree on policy.
We can pull together and beat the GOP, so we can make PROGRESS.

Ronny has been snarky, but is a hilariously funny and (I would bet my life) GOOD person, as are you.
And you are doing good by spreading your love.
I have also been snarky, and am somewhat good. Occasionally...:)

Together, we are going to kick some ass.
We came close last time, but too many asses did not get how fucked up Bush was until 2005.
They are just not as smart as we are. :evilgrin:
The world will thank us, and we won't have to say "Sorry world" next time.

[Beaverhausen]

64. Here's my point

Even Ronny posted that this headline was freeperish- even he knew that it did nothing to help his candidate.

But other supporters seem to think they can win people over to Hillary's camp by bullying and calling other candidates childish names. I can't for the life of me imagine how they think it is helping their candidate. I like Hillary, it's her supporters I have a problem with.

And I think that if you search my posts, there are very few- if any - where I was negative towards any other candidate, other than posts inquiring how this one or that one stood, how they voted, why they weren't doing something about things now that they are in the senate (which 4 of them are). But I try not to sling mud and right wing talking points. I wish others would do the same.

[Bongo Prophet]

72. I was perhaps not clear, I was agreeing with you that ronny is good along with others

I guess it goes with the theme of the thread - there are good Texans, good supporters of candidates, etc. - and that ronny and your friendly posts were examples of that. In NO way was I meaning to imply that you were part of the problem. That was probably me being all preachy.O8)

Earlier, there was a thread where I teased ronnie (gently, and in a fun way I hope) because he/she called someone "full of shit". Actually, the other poster might well have been (full of it), but that was not the point.
But I wouldn't have bothered if I didn't already see the value and humor in some of ronny's posts. Rather than spending time in tit for tat short posts, I would like to see longer and more thoughtful dialog develop. Likeable, sane and funny are all assets on this board, and the sooner we start actively working towards that dialog, the easier it will be to pull together and kick some GOP ass.

I have been feeling a bit overwhelmed by this type of vitriol that you speak of, and would prefer smart and funny people to show their best sides, and they will get:
more support for their candidate
better environment on DU, which might allow us to hear each other


I agree with you so much about far too many DUers are flinging poo all about, and that it is corrosive.
Our points are therefore the same.
right on! :hi:

edited cause my syntax was kookooo

[QC]

76. No, they can't possibly. n/t

[goodgd_yall]

22. That's a disgusting slur

[durrrty libby]

37. People call Clooney a pretty boy

People call Tom Brady a pretty boy

Never saw them or their fans throw a fit over it

[Beaverhausen]

42. They aren't running for President

[BlueStater]

45. It's obnoxious and demeaning

And is a more than subtle attack on his masculinity.

[durrrty libby]

54. Oh brother........ a perceived mild snark. I could spend all day

here admonishing people who denigrate Hillary with actual attacks

:eyes:

[sam sarrha]

27. but they elected a Connecticut yankee for Governor..

[Nutmegger]

35. "We don't need no pretty boys..."

:rofl:

:rofl:

[crispini]

39. Oh, like it won't be all wrapped up by March 8th anyway.

Everyone I know here who is paying attention in the least hasn't really bothered to pick a candidate because we all know it won't matter much.

[NoPasaran]

83. Well, if you actually look at the poll

Published in BOR, especially the crosstabs, the percentage of Undecideds has been dropping from around twenty percent back in March to less than 8% in November. And it sure looks like most of that has broken Clinton's way.

[Adelante]

41. These personal attacks on candidates are really a fucking bore nt

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[AndyA]

60. Texas. The state that gave us BUSH.

And Cornyn.

And DeLay.

And I won't go on because I'll get sick. Texas needs to WAKE THE SHIT UP, they are one of the few states even worse than Oklahoma (land of Inhofe)! :puke:

[Bongo Prophet]

63. We're working on it, Andy.

Worse than Oklahoma? Oh, now you have cut us deep :)
Actually, Oklahoma is okay too. :evilgrin:

Edwards had pretty high numbers last time, and it is still early.
Crispini's point about us being so late a primary that people don't pay much attention this early is a good one.
Plus, we have BIG OIL interests holding us hostage monetarily, and BIG RELIGION brainwashing the kids and adults alike.
Pretty rough.

BUT!

We will see. It will probably still go GOP in 08, no matter the candidate - but over time, we will get back to dem representation.
It's all in the DEMographics.

[Yukari Yakumo]

65. Don't forget...

They elected Chimpy FOUR TIMES!

[last_texas_dem]

68. So what does it say for Clinton that she is so "popular"

in a state that elected * four times? I'm just wondering what your point is here...

[Midwestern Democrat]

67. Self delete

Self delete

[depakid]

74. Earth to Texas

The reputation the state holds among people in most of the country and around the world is one of arrogance and irrationality.

Sad, but true. It wasn't always like that.

[Bluebear]

80. Nice freeper headline. Why didn't you just be done with it and say "Breck Girl"?