Full video of Obama smackdown of Right-Wing voter!

[Superman Returns]

For all the crap Obama is getting about this, if you watch the full video, ironically provided by Fox, it shows Obama to be respectful but passionate - the in your face passion Kerry lacked that ultimately let Bush define the terms of national security.

<http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/19/obama-takes-the-tough-questions/>


This my friends, is what it's gonna take to break down the right-wing memos of fear and war-mongering. This is what we need in a candidate; to call BS when he sees it. I particularly liked how he basically said , "if we continue down the same path we mine as well sign up all our children" for Iran and the next country and the next country etc... That will play well with the moderate suburban folks who hate Bush but still don't trust Democrats with national security. Frame the debate away from fearing a Democrat will be weak on terror, to fearing a Republican warmonger who will draft our children and start WW3. The latter notion is definitely more frightening and will make the GOP primary politics of "who has the bigger balls" into a general election noose. Trust me, no one wants to see their kids in the streets of Tehran, no one.

[Kahuna]

1. Wow! An Avid Hillary-ite...just swore through a very long thread that the

clip shown on MSNBC wasn't edited. Maybe that person will now admit that he was wrong and apologize to Obama and his defender.

[Forkboy]

6. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

:)

[Kahuna]

30. I'm not holding my breath. Trust me.

:hi:

[alteredstate]

7. I'm waiting.........

:)

[Tellurian]

15. Got a link?

So we know who is avid and who isn't?

[Kahuna]

31. Oops! I should have made that plural...

You were one of them! I do love your innocent act though.

:rofl:

[Dawgs]

2. Thanks. You have to wait for the whole thing to download, but it's worth waiting.

It shows that Obama is passionate and serious about his beliefs.

[tammywammy]

3. This is a much much better clip

madfloridian posted this in another thread.

He's definitely not yelling as some posters have said. He's passionate and firm in his answer. It's an excellent exchange.

[Superman Returns]

4. thanks

I wasn't sure if this had been posted. Leave it to Fox to set the truth straight. I think I just saw a pig take flight out my window.

[tammywammy]

5. Indeed

In the other clip the audio is so poor you can't really tell what's going on, and it was obviously edited.

[silverweb]

8. I'm telling you...

Obama is the one!

Brains, heart, and guts, all in one eloquent, charismatic, inspiring package.

He's exactly who we need at this moment in history.


GObama!

[goclark]

50. That's the kind of President I'm talking about ~

He has the right passion and the right message.



:bounce:

[Frances]

9. Why would anyone object to what Obama said here?

I mean anyone with any sense and any decency.

[Kahuna]

34. To be fair to the detractors, MSNBC was showing a much different

clip that was heavily and selectively edited to make BO look unhinged. But honestly, it was so obvious that the clip was edited that no one should have taken it at face value.

[tammywammy]

10. bump

[Glimmer of Hope]

11. He is response is actually pretty good. The yelling issue seems bogus.

[mzmolly]

12. It was a very good response - even according to the "victim" in question.

See the last paragraph in the link above. ;)

After the event, Svoboda told a gaggle of press that the candidate didn’t answer all of her questions and that he didn’t have the experience to be president. No Democrat running, in Svoboda’s opinion, has strong national security credentials. But, she applauded him at the event’s conclusion and said he did “a good job.”

[jenmito]

13. But since it IS a Faux article, they didn't show video of the question being asked, and they ended

the article by saying, "After the event, Svoboda told a gaggle of press that the candidate didn’t answer all of her questions and that he didn’t have the experience to be president. No Democrat running, in Svoboda’s opinion, has strong national security credentials. But, she applauded him at the event’s conclusion and said he did “a good job.”

ibid

They didn't even say she was a Repub., which she must've been.

[ozone_man]

14. That was refreshing!

Speaking truth to power again. He's pretty good at that. If he can stay with that kind of message, the corporatist warmongers will evaporate like vampires in the sunlight. :)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. Oh man, what a psycho. He's definately unhinged.

:eyes:

[DURHAM D]

17. I noticed that KO did not cover this tonight.

He has a good bullshit barometer as this is a non-story.

I didn't see Tweety but I am guessing this is the kind of thing he stupidly thinks matters.

[Tellurian]

18. He never answered her questions!

Why do you think they edited her out of the video?

HERE ARE HER QUESTIONS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6krf18huA

Obama off on a tangent as usual!

[jefferson_dem]

21. Why are you defending the freeper-woman?

:shrug:

[Tellurian]

22. Tell me...Did Obama ever answer her questions..

a simple Y/N will suffice!

you can read here if you want to know what those questions were.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3739148&mesg_id=3740455

[jefferson_dem]

24. You really want to side with a freeper-woman spouting phony rightwing talking points

over a fellow Democrat? That's on you...

[Tellurian]

26. She is the least of Obama's problems..

I think you are basically an intelligent person.

The denial of what the majority of posters hear is appalling because they won't admit what they know to be true!

It's the COVER-UP that is aggravating to me!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3740068&mesg_id=3740519

[LanternWaste]

47. it was a bullshit question...

Look-- I'm leaning towards Sen. Clinton myself, but you've gotta admit it was a bullshit question. How does one address all the specific positions he has of both anti-terrorism and immigration in the span of one answer?

If someone asks specifically how a computer works and expects a fifteen second response, it's a bit obvious that it's either a set-up question or a bullshit question (or both).

Questions have the advantage of being simple more often than not, answers rarely have that same advantage...

[rufus dog]

54. get a grip!

You link to your own post to support your opinion. What the fuck is with that?

[zulchzulu]

25. OK. Here is her "question"...

"I want to know specifically what you would do to protect this country...from terrorism...and are we going to close the borders...and are we going to get rid of the illegal immigrants..."

Nice fucking question... how would anyone answer that claptrap? The woman was a knuckle-dragging Repuglet from Planet Dumbass.

[beachmom]

45. Clinton troll. That's all you'll ever be. Pathetic. n/t

[Renew Deal]

53. Neither of those clips are complete.

The Saddam bit is not in the newer clip, so you don't know what he answered.

[1corona4u]

19. I guess I missed it...

How does everyone know it was a right winger?

[rateyes]

20. Good for Obama....

it's about damned time we saw some fire from him.

[1corona4u]

23. Actually...

MSNBC is running a slightly different version of it;

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=6d505183-df95-48b7-90b7-e71717ea2dbd

[Adelante]

28. Different because it is edited

Anyone wanting to know what Obama had to say might prefer the more complete version:

http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/19/obama-takes-the-tough-questions

[1corona4u]

29. Thanks but....

I'll trust MSNBC over Fox, and day of the week.

[Adelante]

35. Context is often enlightening

For myself, I would not pimp a clip of Senator Clinton or Senator Edwards or any candidate that took him or her at a moment open to misinterpretation, especially if there were a fuller, fairer version available. I would provide the one that gave a just showing of the remarks and tone in context. I would consider use of a cut up piece that makes him or her look anything worse than the actual behavior to be unacceptable candidate bashing. I wouldn't do it.

But knock yourself out, you are so determined :hi:

[1corona4u]

38. See, that's just the thing...

the fox clip was edited.

[Kahuna]

40. They were both edited. The Fox clip does show more of what actually

happened. Can't you see that? :crazy:

[1corona4u]

42. I guess we...

will have to disagree.

[Adelante]

41. Perhaps a version will come out that satisfies both of us

The Fox video had one of those mics that dims the sound in the room often used so the candidate can be heard. But I don't see the kind of jump cuts as in the MSNBC video. The Fox visuals appear smooth to me. We'll have to see if someone provides one that confirms one or the other.

[Adelante]

39. From someone in the room

For those interested in what is true.

Obama Knee-Caps an Old Lady, and Other Iowa Tales...

I see that this video of Obama engaging a voter on terrorism and immigration is getting some play around the web. The title of the YouTube clip--"Obama yells at elderly Iowa voter"--tells you all you need to know about the context in which it's been circulating. (According to this site, Drudge linked to it earlier today, though I can't find it now.) Having attended the event in question yesterday, I can tell you that the video has been framed and edited in such a way as to misrepresent what actually happened. The woman in question was a Republican named Jane Svoboda, who asked her questions in a pretty sharp and mean-spirited way. Obama began to answer them in a perfectly calm tone. The woman proceeded to interrupt and hector him several times over the course of the response. Each time she did, he would grow more animated--not nasty by any stretch, just the way someone gets when they care quite a bit about an issue. It's true that at times he almost had to yell, but that was only to make himself heard above the cheering of the crowd, which was very much sympathetic to what he was saying and unsympathetic to the woman, who'd outed herself as a bit of a bully.

All of which is to say, "Obama yells at elderly Iowa voter" is almost completely backward as a description of what happened.

--Noam Scheiber

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2007/11/20/obama-knee-caps-an-old-lady-and-other-iowa-tales.aspx

[hedda_foil]

43. The Dean "scream" directional mic trick rears its ugly head again.

"he almost had to yell, but that was only to make himself heard above the cheering of the crowd"

The crowd noise was completely lost in the clip that was shown yesterday and presumably in the Fox clip as well. I hope Obama's team is well aware of the trick so they can nip it in the bud if a scream meme starts spreading.

[beachmom]

46. Imagine that: the media taking something out of context to slime

a Democrat. Sigh.

[Kahuna]

48. ...

:rofl:

[sundancekid]

27. yes, somebody HAS TO SAY the faux emperor chimpy wears no clothes ...

no more bullsheeeeet
no more false frames
no more passes

[underpants]

32. Wow Tina Fey with a front row seat

:hide:

[underpants]

33. "Cameron's Corner"???? LOL

[Donnachaidh]

36. this needs to be put on youtube in response to that other hateful POS

that is being run there.

[racaulk]

37. Wow

I'm not an Obama supporter (as a gay man, I'm still turned off to him by the whole McClurkin controversy), but I think your last paragraph is spot on. We absolutely need a candidate who will speak clearly and with complete candor and will not allow the Repuke candidate to frame the debate. When we allow the debate to be framed for us, it's almost guaranteed we will lose the debate. If Obama has the courage to speak up and do this, then I say good on him.

And for what it's worth, I don't think he was yelling at that woman at all. I didn't even see him as disrespectful. He was just passionate about what he was saying.

K&R

[beachmom]

44. So you're bashing Kerry to prop up Obama? Unbelievable.

You know I appreciate the link, and I also thought Obama did a great job with the question. But can you lose the "unlike that loser Kerry" attitude, because it's just wrong. I plan on supporting Obama on his own merits, without comparing him to another election, which was, I may add, a far different country than it is today.

[ginnyinWI]

56. I agree with you, beachmom

There is no need to slam Kerry here.

[Imagevision]

49. "no one wants to see their kids in the streets of Tehran"(?) check with Giuliani or McCain

[provis99]

51. hell really has frozen over

Fox News got the clip right, and MSNBC gives us an edited, slanted clip? What's next, dogs and cats living together?

[Renew Deal]

52. I don't mind saying I told you so.

And Obama gives one of his best moments of the campaign right there. The other day I said he wasn't tough enough to be president. I hope he proves me wrong. That was a good start.

[Rottenmac]

55. Good for him...

for NOT PLANTING A QUESTION.

Jeeez... how hard is it to give the guy even a little credit for that at the very least. Question fully or partially answered, at least it wasn't a damn plant.

'Diamonds or Pearls' my ass.

[TheFarseer]

57. what is a bush lie?

it sounds like a part got cut out when he was talking about the Sunnis and the Shia hate each other?

[JDPriestly]

58. Obama handled this very well!