The sanctimonious bullshit on Hillary's attacks is hypocritical

[Herman Munster]

Obama and Edwards both spent 2 months attacking Hillary. And it worked. Obama is now the frontrunner in Iowa. Well, it's time for him to take some of his medicine.

To bash Hillary for doing the same thing Obama did to her is hypocritical. Period.

[BeyondGeography]

1. I, for one, welcome her strategic blunders

made my evening.

[BringBigDogBack]

7. beat me to it.

Keep em coming!

[ClarkUSA]

38. I like Hillary in her "Heathers" attack mode. It suits her well.

More importantly, I'm sure those likely Iowa caucus goers do too.

[Bullet1987]

2. She attacks him over something he wrote in kindergarden,,,

can you say...desperate? That is beyong funny...lol.

[sufrommich]

8. I notice you leave out the rest of the article

about his presidential ambitions in college and the senate.Why?

[bunnies]

3. which attack?

The money one or the kindergarten one? Serious question.

[Buzz Clik]

4. What distinguishes sanctimonious bullshit from the garden variety form of bullshit?

For us bullshitters, we'd prefer to be called sanctimonious because it sounds pretty cool, but my bullshit has never risen to that level.

What does it take?

[jefferson_dem]

5. I won't bash her for doing it. I hope she keeps on keepin' on...

Go Hillary Go...!!!

[DS1]

6. The quicker she's out the better it is for everyone

[emilyg]

46. Don't include me. Go Hillary.

[LakeSamish706]

9. Well going left like I always do.... My problem with Hillary is that I don't want to see another...

Bush or Clinton occupy our White House ever again. Both names have dumped immense garbage on our nation IMO.... Bill with his indiscretions and well we all know what the current situation is... So, nope no more Bush or Clinton names in the WH...

[rufus dog]

10. I hope she attacks non stop 24x7 for the next two weeks

Have at it, make shit up, whatever makes her and Team Clinton happy.

[Hieronymus]

11. Obviously, she's not as fond of the heat in the kitchen as she claims.

[mtnsnake]

18. No that's not it. When you throw a stone at her she slams you back, only with a brick

What comes around goes around.

[earthlover]

21. Memories are pretty short here at times! Hillary went on attack LAST JULY!

...calling Obama "irresponsible and frankly naive".

Now she has been painted by some jokesters as Ms Innocent and now she is attacked (whine, whine) and has to fight back. As if she didn't throw here share of dirt way back in July.

Mention anything about Hillary, or even point out her present decline in the polls, and you are bound to be called a "hillary hater".

Well, in my view, such name calling is irresponsible and frankly naive!

So, yes, snake....what goes around comes around. And it is coming around now on Hillary. Finally.

[calteacherguy]

12. Her "attacks" (really childish tantrums) are beyond anything in the other campaigns.

Today, she "attacked" him for a kindergarten essay! She's trying to present herself as the more "mature, experienced" candidate? She's rapidly losing her illuison of any "gravitas" with her childish antics. The voters will turn away from her in disgust. She needs to grow up!

[AX10]

13. Obama is quite the hypocrit.

He spoke of "hope" and "positive thinking", and then he went on the attack.

Go Hillary!

[sufrommich]

14. There are about 5 threads started

now on the first page about Clinton going into attack mode.With post after post loudly claiming how desperate and useless it will be. I think it's fear.

[BeyondGeography]

15. What I fear is that she'll come to her senses

and stop attacking Obama's character.

[earthlover]

24. Wasn't it hillary who said she wouldn't do that....after she did it....before she did it?....

FLIP....FLOP!

[Herman Munster]

16. Hillary still has about $50 million to spend

You're damn right the Obama people are scared.

[Nedsdag]

39. Obama's not taking matching funds.

He can match her dollar for dollar.

[hedgehog]

22. There are two reasons that 5 threads have been started.

1. People forget to check to see what's already been posted.

2. Senator Clinton's statements are hilarious. "Now the fun part starts"?

[earthlover]

23. clinton sure has lost any sense of being above the fray!

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Apparently today's talking points for the anti-Clintonites are "Clinton+attack+Obama"

So what will it be next week? :)

[mtnsnake]

19. With so many similar threads by them, it's almost as if they planned it that way *cough cough* nt

[Adelante]

20. I just wish she had something better than what she's throwing

For her sake. This is all pretty mortifying, in my opinion.

[EV_Ares]

25. This is the funniest and most ridiculous post have seen today.

[AtomicKitten]

26. I'll second that for lack of a better description.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

27. The Obama folks have squandered more good will than Bush after 9/11

[Forkboy]

29. I know. Hillary has been perfect.

Some people's kids, huh?

[Forkboy]

28. She's a big girl.

She's the toughest of tough.

[David Dunham]

30. Hillary is now pointing out Obama's dissembling. Go girl.

[calteacherguy]

31. Then why is she acting so childish? nt

[Quixote1818]

32. I think the Obama supporters are just getting a kick out of the irony of Hillary

attacking Obama on things like character. That is some funny shit and I am not even an Obama supporter.

:rofl:

[Cameron27]

35. Do you have something about Clinton's character

you'd like to share? Richard Mellon Scaife, Bob Barr and all their fellow conspirators found nothing, but apparently your investigations dug something up.

[Quixote1818]

36. Maybe you should watch Michael Moore's movie then? nt

[Cameron27]

37. This is interesting:

SiCKO: $100 million spent to defeat Hillary's health care plan.

"Even before debate began in Congress, a powerful coalition had been cobbled together to fight Clintoncare, as opponents labeled it - congressional Republicans, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the National Federation of Independent Businesses, the Business Roundtable, the Christian Coalition, the conservative radio talk show network. Those groups spent between $100 million and $ 300 million to defeat it. And the battle was fought like a presidential campaign - with a TV advertising campaign, a network of field operatives and public relations experts to lobby members of Congress back in their districts." Rob Christensen, "Who killed health care reform? Answer: Everyone," News & Observer, June 19, 1996.

"In 1993-94, the Health Insurance Association of America, a trade group, spent about $15 million on advertising to defeat Clinton's proposed overhaul of the nation's health care system." John MacDonald, "Proponents, Opponents Join Battle Over Drug Price Limits," Hartford Courant, June 21, 2000.

"'We spent $1.4 million to fight President Clinton's plan,' says." Harold Cox, "Business will spearhead Health Reform II ; Old enemies of Clinton's plan in lead," Washington Times, December 27, 1994.

"A study by Citizen Action, a consumer group, reports that doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and other providers of medical services made campaign contributions of $ 79 million during the 1993-1994 election cycle. The insurance industry passed out $16 million. The American Medical Association, which objects to cost-control measures, contributed $ 3 million." Froma Harrop, "The big lie about health reform," Rocky Mountain News, August 20, 1995.

"According to spokesman Brent Bahler, the group has not bought any airtime for commercials but has 'tentative plans' for a grassroots advocacy effort that would include an advertising component. Last year, Bahler said, the CSE spent more than $2 million on print, radio and television advertising to defeat Clinton's health care reform plan." James A. Barnes, "RNC Turns To TV Ads On Budget," National Journal, 5.16.95.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/

But I guess you meant this:

SiCKO: Hillary Clinton became the second largest recipient in the Senate of health care industry contributions.

"As she runs for re-election to the Senate from New York this year and lays the groundwork for a possible presidential bid in 2008, Mrs. Clinton is receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers. Nationwide, she is the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry, trailing only Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a member of the Republican leadership." Raymond Hernandez and Robert Pear, "Once an Enemy, Health Industry Warms to Clinton," New York Times, July 12, 2006.

Until there's evidence that she compromised any votes because of lobbyist money, then it's just speculation.

[Quixote1818]

42. Argue with Mother Jones and Commondreams then.

Here are just a couple of articles from liberal publications. There are plenty more where these came from:

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/11/John-Edwards-Iowa-caucuses.html

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/18/1281/

[Cameron27]

43. Motherjones and commondreams?

No thanks, I'll stick with Michael Moore.

[Quixote1818]

44. Smart move! I wouldn't want to argue with them either. nt

[Cameron27]

45. I'll argue with Mother Jones

by way of the Left Coaster.

…how did “populist”, “anti-special-interest”-crusader John Edwards vote in Congress after taking a sum total of ZERO dollars from PACs and lobbyists? He voted in favor of a Bankruptcy Bill not once but twice, voted against filibustering the bill and voted against some progressive amendments to the Bill, he supported NAFTA as recently as 2004, he voted in favor of storing nuclear waste at Yucca mountain, he voted in favor of No Child Left Behind, he voted in favor of the Andean trade agreement and easing trade relations with China - not to mention, he voted in favor of the 2002 Iraq war authorization resolution and stood by his vote in 2004, he voted against an attempt to restrict the Iraq war authorization to one year, he voted against creating an independent report on pre-war intelligence manipulation, he voted against an attempt to raise taxes to fund the war, and he voted in favor of labeling Iran a state sponsor of terrorism. You get the picture.

With this “pledge” stunt of his, I unfortunately have to draw the line and point out that some of us still have some brains left and don’t intend to email either the “pledge” or our brains to him. Sen. Edwards is running on a platform that says you can only trust people who take no contributions from PACs/lobbyists. As he has shown through his own career in the Senate, this claim can be catastrophically wrong. Who you take money from is a factor, but it is absolutely not the kind of defining factor that Sen. Edwards makes it out to be. What matters most is the character and ideology of the individual - NOT who they take money from. Lawyer-turned-lobbyist Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) has about $100K in PAC receipts, Republican Governor Mike Huckabee has taken barely $20,000] from PACs and Republican Governor Mitt Romney has about $300,000 in PAC funds - and all of them are far to the right of Sen. Hillary Clinton even though they have taken much less PAC money than she has. In other words, Sen. Clinton is very progressive on corporatist matters even when compared to Sen. Edwards and Sen. Obama and you have three top Republican candidates who are far to her right who have taken significantly less contributions from PACs than she has.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011418.php

[SaveElmer]

33. But typical Obama...nt

[Hippo_Tron]

34. I have no problem with her attacking Obama, if she thinks it will help her

I just think that attacking someone for their kindergarten essay is downright hilarious.

[Andromeda]

40. Yes, Herman it is.

Obama will become more scrutinized now because he's risen in the polls. That means he's fair game to criticism and he's going to have to be able to stand up and take his lumps.

Hillary has taken, and is taking, her share of barbs and insults from fellow Democrats as well as from the right-wing. Not only is she taking a lot of bashing in this election cycle but for as long as she's been in the public eye, starting when she was First Lady, Hillary has taken condemnation and abuse from the media, the Republicans and from left-wing progressives who don't accept her because her policies don't fit into their agenda.

Obama is thin-skinned and doesn't seem to be able to accept any criticism at all. That's not a good sign for somebody who claims to be ready to be the most powerful person in the world.

He'd better buck up and take it like a man---Hillary is.

[calteacherguy]

41. Pouting about a kindergarten essay is "taking it like a man?"

:eyes:

Wow. Just wow.

[emilyg]

47. Are you really a teacher? Sad.