Sen. Obama Rewrites History, Claims He Hasn’t Been Planning White House Run

[wyldwolf]

Today in Iowa, Senator Barack Obama said: "I have not been planning to run for president for however number of years some of the other candidates have been planning for.”

However, the facts don't back up Sen. Obama’s claim.

Immediately after joining the Senate, Sen. Obama started planning to run for President:

"'The first order of business for Obama's team was charting a course for his first two years in the Senate. The game plan was to send Obama into the 2007-2008 election cycle in the strongest form possible,' writes Mendell in his forthcoming bio Obama: From Promise to Power...The final act of the plan was turning up the talk about a potential presidential bid, which was greatly aided by his positive press and suggestions by pundits that he run for president." (The obviously anti-Obama U.S. News and World Report, 6/19/07)

His law school classmates say that Sen. Obama has been planning presidential run for 'more than a decade':

“According to those who know him, he has been talking about the presidency for more than a decade. ‘It was clear to me from the day I met him that he was thinking about politics,’ says Harvard Law School classmate Christine Spurell.” (From the obviously anti-Washington Post, 8/12/07)

Sen. Obama’s brother-in-law, Craig Robinson, pulled Sen. Obama aside in 1992 and asked about his plans. "He said, 'I think I'd like to teach at some point in time, and maybe run for public office,' recalls Robinson, who assumed Obama meant he'd like to run for city alderman. ‘He said no -- at some point he'd like to run for the U.S. Senate. And then he said, 'Possibly even run for president at some point.' And I was like, 'Okay, but don't say that to my Aunt Gracie.' I was protecting him from saying something that might embarrass him." (Washington Post, 8/12/07)

Of course, the claim repeated by Sen. Obama and his campaign has been completely discredited by the alleged source, Taylor Branch. The Washington Post reports:

They cite two people, Ann Crittenden and John Henry, who said Taylor Branch, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and close Clinton friend, told them that the Clintons "still planned two terms in the White House for Bill and, later, two for Hillary." Contacted last night, Branch said that "the story is preposterous" and that "I never heard either Clinton talk about a 'plan' for them both to become president.

It's odd that Sen. Obama would choose to perpetuate this claim about Hillary since there is a long list of people who report that Sen. Obama has aspired to be president for practically his entire life.

(facthub)

Now, wailing and gnashing of teeth? Attack the source instead of the content?

[Colobo]

1. This is so weak.

You aren't helping your girl with this.

[wyldwolf]

5. still living in the Twilight Zone, Katz?

And you're helping your boy with that kindergarten thread?

[Colobo]

8. I'm not. Your people are.

[wyldwolf]

15. ha ha! Defend the hyocrite, katz.

[Colobo]

18. I'll let Clinton attack his kindergarten essays. That will work.

[wyldwolf]

19. but I'll call out Obama for using discredited rightwing talking points

:)

[Tellurian]

96. K&R

:kick:

[EV_Ares]

20. Have you noticed how the Clinton people here spend all their time

attacking the other candidates. The only conclusion one can draw is they have nothing postive about their own. Evidently, they are so scared of Obama and the others they try and of course fail to tear them down.

[wyldwolf]

22. but not as much time as the Obama people

[Bluebear]

53. No, actually, the Clinton "people" are not near as rabid as some other supporters

[MethuenProgressive]

93. What's Really Weak: The ambitious newbie whining that the veteran is ambitious.

And then whining even more when he's called on it.
With experience, perhaps he'll learn not to excel so publicly at hypocrisy.

[ixion]

2. big dupe...

there's already like half-a-dozen threads on this fabricated issue.

[BringBigDogBack]

3. Haha

And another!


Wow!

[hedgehog]

4. There's planning and then there's planning. How many staffers did

Obama take on back in kindergarten?

[NYCGirl]

11. Only three or four, I hear. And he planned this in kindergarten while enjoying

a candy cigarette!

[journalist3072]

6. Thank you for speaking truth to power. More and more , we see how much credibility Obama lacks

One of the main points of his current stump each is that he isn't running for the White House, because of some long-help sense of entitlement. Read: he believes Sen. Clinton feels entitled to the White House. Yet, he gives you nothing to back up that claim.

[wyldwolf]

10. he understands the selective hearing of his supporters

[jefferson_dem]

14. Truth to power? LOL!

Wrong on both counts. She is not "truth." He is not "power"...yet.

[wyldwolf]

16. what isn't true about the OP?

psst! Notice how my thread is overtaking that other one?

[AtomicKitten]

7. "Why don't you take that weak sh*t to the park where maybe the squirrels will care."

* Squidbillies

[jefferson_dem]

9. Totally pathetic.

Why did you think a new threadfull of this silliness would make it any less so?

[wyldwolf]

12. debunk? No? Do you have anything to show how Obama is NOT a hypocrite?

[jefferson_dem]

17. Sure.

Consider the source and context of the accusation. 'Nuff said.

[cuke]

25. IOW, you got nothing

again

Obama supporters never seem able to defend Obama's lies and right wing rhetoric. Instead they just deny and attack other candidates.

[wyldwolf]

27. he never does.

[cuke]

51. Many Obama supporters have a consistent record of not defending, only attacking

I'm still waiting for someone to defend him for saying he hasn't been thinking about running for president for "many years" when he HAS been thinking about running for president for many years

[wyldwolf]

26. so, provide us the proper context of the evil US News/World Report and WaPo...

:rofl:

I predicted in the other thread all you'd be able to do is attack the sources.

[journalist3072]

23. No, they don't, because Obama is a hypocrite.

[Nedsdag]

68. If anyone is a hypocrite, it's "your girl" Hillary.

Apparently you guys and gals are so drunk on the Clinton kool-aid that you cannot see the forest for the trees.

Who said, "Let's not knock other Democrats."

Hillary has had the White House in her sights the minute after she won in 2000. She's never kept her ambition quiet.

[JackORoses]

98. listen, airwolf, obama said he hasn't been planning a run as long as some others

This is completely true.

He has nowhere near a 20 year plan,
like your beloved Hillocrite.

[creeksneakers2]

30. What's silly is

a bunch of people who are either foolish enough to believe that Hillary attacked Obama for something he did in kindergarten or juvenile enough to keep saying Hillary did knowing its false just for the vandalism rush.

[sufrommich]

31. LOL, that's the M.O. of quite a few around here. nt

[jefferson_dem]

36. You're right.

Hillary is also attacking Obama for his third-grade essay on his "dream" of becoming president. I don't envy you. Must be tough to stay on the HillaryWagon nowadays.

This from HillaryHubba - -

His kindergarten teacher:

Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. "He wrote an essay titled, "I Want To Become President," the teacher said.
His third grade teacher:

Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's third-grade teacher, "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Obama wrote 'I want to be a president,' she said."

[creeksneakers2]

38. Obama was a little suck up. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

39. How dare he dream...especially given the infinitesimal odds of ever realizing that dream...

Pfft.

[BeyondGeography]

13. But you'll vote for him next November anyway, right?

[EV_Ares]

24. Why should anyone here have to prove anything one way or the other

on Obama, the poster is the one who says it and would just make something else up anyway.

[jenmito]

21. "It's clear to me he was thinking about politics" equals "planning a white house run"?

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

28. Shark!! Ruuuun!!!!

How many times *can* a campaign jump the shark.

[jenmito]

64. Good question.

:D

[Auntie Bush]

29. I wonder if knowing he was going to run for President...had anything to do with his

lack of a vote for the IWR? :shrug:

Also that might explain why he was able to give such powerful passionate speech at the 2004 convention. It was his make or break for the future presidency.

Probably had nothing to do with it and I hate saying negative things about a possible future Dem candidate...my bad. However I couldn't resist since it's something I've always secretly wondered about. Now I'll be good because I really like Obama. I just like Hillary and Biden better...also I'm feeling better about Edwards. That's hard for a Clarkie to say. What a great group of candidates we have!

[EV_Ares]

33. Every vote Hillary has ever made has been calculated for her run

for the presidencey which is why it has been known for so long. Her vote for the war and of course her support for Bush on Iran.

[NYCGirl]

34. He didn't vote for the IWR because he wasn't in the Senate yet. But he did make

a wonderful speech condemning it — a very public speech.

He was chosen to give the speech at the 2004 convention by John Kerry, you know.

[Auntie Bush]

41. My bad...but I already said that because I didn't remember many facts about him

and always wondered. I didn't remember the circumstances of why he didn't vote on IWR or even know Kerry asked him. However, why did Kerry ask him? How did he know that he was such a powerful speaker? I don't know much about him pre-big speech. Thanks for the info.

[ClarkUSA]

48. Um, you do know that Obama came to the Senate in 2004, right?

The IWR that Hillary and Biden signed and Edwards co-sponsored with Joe Lieberman was voted on in 2002, the same year he gave a speech condemning the
march to war while running for public office in Illinois.

[creeksneakers2]

32. This is over more than who is ambitious, laws may be broken

This all started when the Washington Post revealed that Obama, who first said he didn't take PAC donations, took them last year for his leadership PAC. Obama explained that was before he decided to run for president. The Clinton campaign responded by showing Obama planned to run all his life, even back to kindergarten.

I just knew a bunch of idiots would say Hillary is attacking Obama for something he did in kindergarten. I'm surprised the Hillary campaign didn't figure out ahead of time that distortion was coming.

I first got behind Hillary because I was outraged at the unfairness of the attacks on her.I was starting to turn away from Hillary toward Obama because I thought he was more positive and she was becoming what I disliked about her critics. Now I don't know who to dislike.

Obama is in trouble because what he's claimed recently isn't the whole story. Also, a retired FEC attorney interviewed by the Washington Post said by involving themselves with the donation decisions of Obama's PAC, the Obama campaign may have broken the law.

That isn't,like many here are incredibly foolish enough to believe, an attack on what Obama did in kindergarten.

[EV_Ares]

35. I am sure you have a link to the attorney's article and support of the

broken law claim so we could all read it. Thanks.

[creeksneakers2]

40. I didn't say an attorney wrote an article

I said an attorney who was interviewed by the Washington Post.

Obama Campaign Worker Discussed PAC Donations


Campaign law experts, however, said they were less certain. They noted that the 2003 rules state that any leadership PAC expenditure coordinated with the politician's campaign should be treated as "in-kind contributions" subject to a limit of $5,000. The rules define a coordinated expense as any made in "cooperation or concert with or at the request or suggestion" of a campaign.

"I think this is something the commission should look at. If the money was, in fact, used to help the campaign, was requested by the campaign and coordinated with the campaign, then it could be considered an in-kind contribution," Lawrence Noble, the FEC's retired chief counsel, said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/29/AR2007112902229.html

[Tellurian]

46. Obama supporters are grasping at straws..

They cannot deal with the fact their Golden idol Obama has clay feet. Clay feet supporting an empty suit mind you, that are not new to the art of "Lying". What is sad, this impostor is seeking the ultimate seat of power, the presidency. No one knows a thing about him except he's a "fresh face" and what he's written about himself in two books.. Have we now become so complacent about the vetting process, an interloper can virtually steal the nomination by flooding the gates (by volume) with a "body" count of registered voters adulterating the process and the will of residents of a the State of Iowa?

When Obama supporters are dealing with the stress of an Inconvenient Truth, they will post inane graphics in an effort to forestall dealing with and addressing the "facts" of the matter. As usual, their only recourse is to attack the messenger because the messenger is looking for credible answers proving the assertions wrong or unfounded.. Not to much to ask, I dare say!

[Joe the Revelator]

37. You think Joe and Mary Iowa give two flying poops about this?

This kind of stuff is only going to make Hillary look weaker.

[Debi]

42. My name is neither Joe or Mary...

but it really doesn't matter to me how long a person has wanted to be president or how long they set their life plan in action.

I'd like to hear from some other Iowans on how they feel.

[EV_Ares]

44. Well Art Linkletter used to ask little boys what they wanted to be when

they grew up and there were some that said President.

[Debi]

47. The little schemers

:grr:

[Tellurian]

49. Well,does it matter to you as an Iowan..

Obama is busing in thousands of Illinois residents to caucus in your Primary? To insure a majority of votes in his favor?

Does the watering down of the 'Will of the People of Iowa' bother you?

Does it bother Iowans, they have no choice in the matter because Obama has taken the power and the intent of their vote away from them?

[EV_Ares]

50. Since Iowans have put him ahead in the polls, guess they don't see it that way

or feel he is a better choice than Hillary for some reason.

[Tellurian]

56. Your answer does not compute with my post..

I don't think Iowan's are aware of this happening. I think this is a travesty for any state to be taken over by outsiders to produce a result favorable to a politician. It's the equivalent of ballot stuffing or "body" stuffing in my book.

This needs to go public...BIG TIME! Let Iowans decide pre Primary!

[EV_Ares]

57. I am sure it would not compute with your post, however, I think Iowans

are capable of being able to sort out what is happening, they pretty much have a history of that. You certainly fit into the Clinton camp of thinking Iowans can't think for themselves.

[EV_Ares]

61. Obama Endorsed by Des Moines Mayor

Is the mayor ignorant as well?

By MIKE GLOVER – 2 hours ago

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama was endorsed Sunday by the mayor of Iowa's largest city and predicted more criticism ahead from presidential rivals as his political fortunes keep brightening.

Meeting with reporters, Obama trotted out Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie, who last month won a second term. He has focused on global warming and other environmental issues. "Senator Obama has made a promise and is willing an open-minded enough to listen to the mayor of the capital city of Iowa," Cownie said. "Together we can make change in Iowa."

Obama used the event to try to make the case that his approach to global warming and other issues is more innovative than his challengers'.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXFQbVLl-ShP1_pg6CGNiyaBTmfwD8T9LVIG0

[Debi]

63. Please don't presume Iowans don't know what happens in our state n/t

[EV_Ares]

65. In case you missed this, guess the mayor is ignorant as well.

Obama Endorsed by Des Moines Mayor
By MIKE GLOVER – 2 hours ago

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama was endorsed Sunday by the mayor of Iowa's largest city and predicted more criticism ahead from presidential rivals as his political fortunes keep brightening.

Meeting with reporters, Obama trotted out Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie, who last month won a second term. He has focused on global warming and other environmental issues. "Senator Obama has made a promise and is willing an open-minded enough to listen to the mayor of the capital city of Iowa," Cownie said. "Together we can make change in Iowa."

Obama used the event to try to make the case that his approach to global warming and other issues is more innovative than his challengers'.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXFQbVLl-ShP1_pg6CGNiyaBTmfwD8T9LVIG0

[Tellurian]

67. Has the Governor endorsed Obama as well?

[EV_Ares]

69. Sorry, can't help it if it upsets you, maybe they have more of a clue

along with the people of Iowa than you.

[Tellurian]

76. I'm not upset. I asked a straightforward question..Has the Governor endorsed Obama, thats all?

[EV_Ares]

77. Don't know about the governor, the former governor endorsed

Clinton and is on her campaign staff right. Should help him with his campaign debt.

So?

[Debi]

80. It did help him greatly w/his campaign debt

paying about 1/4 of it off in the last reporting period. We'll see how much gets paid off in this reporting period. As for Vilsack's endorsement. It didn't help any candidate he supported in 2006 (when he was still Governor) both his candidates lost their primaries.

[EV_Ares]

81. He didn't do a very good job of delivering the state for the dems

as well while he was governor. Regardless, it will all be shaking out before too long. Thanks for the post.

[Debi]

71. Is there a reason you responded to my post with this? n/t

[EV_Ares]

72. Just saw your post and didn't know if you had seen the endorsement.

or not. No other reason.

[Debi]

79. Oh, okay, I did see it on another post

I don't mean to offend Mayor Cownie, but I don't think his endorsement means much. (after all, how many here knew that the former mayor of Des Moines endorsed Obama long ago?)

[Tellurian]

66. So, because you support Obama you presume everyone knows about it and agrees with YOU?

[Debi]

70. I don't know where you got the idea that I support Obama!

I support Iowa and the laws our legislature has enacted. And it pisses me off that every four years somebody from some campaign that isn't doing as well in the polls as they'd like complains that somebody else is cheating in the Iowa caucuses.

Iowans aren't stupid and just because Hillary Clinton isn't the 'front-runner' today doesn't mean anybody is 'rigging' the caucuses.

I heard this bullshit in 2000 from the Bradley people, I heard this bullshit in 2003 from the Kerry people and now I'm hearing it from the Clinton and Dodd people.

Nobody is cheating. Iowa laws are clear. Get organized and get your candidate's supporters to caucuses and quit whining about the other campaigns.

And before you presume who I am caucusing for I suggest you go search my posts to find even ONE where I have endorsed anyone.

[EV_Ares]

75. Not presuming you are an Obama supporter, you were talking about

Iowans and my point was that Iowans including a mayor can make decisions for themselves as in any other state.

[Debi]

83. Look at the post numbers, I wasn't responding to you. n/t

[EV_Ares]

84. Thats it, I see it. Its too late & work tomorrow anyway, misread it Debi. Out of here.

[Debi]

85. Have a good night. n/t

[Debi]

59. Hold on a minute - he is busing Iowa college students who live out of state

back to the state of Iowa in order to participate in the caucuses.

Here's part of a memo that a former chairman of the Iowa Democratic Party wrote in 2003.

<snip>

Iowa Code Section 43.91 provides that only eligible Iowa voters may participate in the caucus. The only expansion upon that right is the additional factor is that if they are not an eligible voter on the evening of the caucus they will become one by the date of the next general election.

To become a voter in Iowa one must have a residence in the State. To have a residence in Iowa, one must have a home in the precinct "with the intent to remain there permanently or for a definite or indefinite or indeterminable length of time." (Iowa Code Section 48.5A). Further, a non-resident, with a voting registration in another state is not eligible to register in Iowa (i.e. "not claim the right to vote in more than one place." See Section 48A.5(1)(d).

Additionally, there is a limitation on what can be established as a residence. Under Code Section 48A.5A Determination of Residence (2) provides that "a residence for purposes of this chapter cannot be established in a commercial or industrial building that is not normally used for residential purposes", i.e. which I think we can reasonably take to mean not a hotel or a campaign headquarters.

(Note: if this discussion continues, there is a specific exception for students, who may declare either their campus residence or their hometown as their residence, but not both. See 48A.5 (5)).

<snip>

Since Iowa now has same-day registration the students can be bussed into Iowa from their home state and register at their caucus that evening.

Unless you are proposing to me that the Iowa Legislature did something illegal by creating these laws, I have no problem with students living here declaring Iowa as their state of residence for the purposed of participating in this exciting practice of democracy.

(What makes you think that all college students from out of state are going to caucus for Obama anyway? Aren't any out of state college students caucusing for Hillary Clinton or any of the other candidates?)

[Tellurian]

73. It seems to me you are not aware of what is going on with Obama's campaign..

What he's doing is legal under the language of the law.

I don't think there has been a case of this magnitude Iowa has ever dealt with. I don't have a problem with students who are from out of state going to school there coming in to caucus. That is not the case here. People are being recruited from Illinois crossing over state lines, registering and voting en mass in essence overwhelming the will of the majority of Iowa residents.

We'll never know what the True Iowa Primary result will be because there are thousands coming from Illinois. All we will know is, Obama will be the overwhelming winner, no matter how Iowans vote.

[Debi]

82. I am aware and want to make it clear to you that the Iowa Caucuses are clean and fair

If you are referring to this:



You tell me WHERE the Obama campaign is encouraging anyone to break Iowa law and commit perjury? (because that's what lying on a voter registration form is, perjury and punishable by fines and jail time).

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/voteapp.pdf

[Tellurian]

87. Yes, we're aware of the 50,000 flyers distributed by the Obama campaign..

The author of this article has relegated the Iowa Caucus tantamount to an outsourcing of the Primary to Illinois.

Because of the thousands being bused in for the Primary. I am not suggesting Obama is breaking the law, what is happening here is an ABUSE and MISUSE and CIRCUMVENTION of the Law.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=3a86a5c341684631abb59d87c02a2df8&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=3a86a5c341684631abb59d87c02a2df8&plckPostId=Blog%3a3a86a5c341684631abb59d87c02a2df8Post%3a4b5116b4-08c3-43e0-923c-32845f44198e&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

[Debi]

88. David Yepsen?

:rofl:

Yeah, a political reporter would want to stir the pot to try and get himself one more Sunday on Meet the Press.

He wrote the same articles about Dean and The Perfect Storm volunteers (which prompted the memo I quoted from).

Again, I ask you are you proposing that ALL out of state college students are caucusing for Obama? Are you proposing that NO out of state college students caucus for Clinton (or any other candidate)? Are you proposing that NO out of state college students are republican?

Seems that Clinton needs to get her campus coordinators active and organized. Her campaign should have been organizing as well.

On edit:

Seems Iowa-based bloggers don't agree with The Overrated One:

http://commoniowan.blogspot.com/2007/12/yepsen-doesnt-think-iowas-out-of-state.html

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=709

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/NEWS09/712010320/-1/RSS22
(and in this one Iowa's Secretary of State also says no laws are being broken)

[Tellurian]

89. Yes, your coming across Loud and Clear..

Thanks..How professional.. a rofl

Thank you for your concern!

[Debi]

90. I updated my post, I'm not the only Iowan who thinks that the Clinton

and Dodd campaigns are blowing smoke.

I never said I was a professional, why shouldn't I use smilies?

I've been to three Clinton events (and only to two Obama events) I don't know why you'd want to count me out as an eventual supporter. But, if you (acting on behalf of the campaign) would rather I don't caucus for Senator Clinton, just let me know.

[EV_Ares]

43. Evidently, it already has since she is behind Obama in the polls now.

[SaveElmer]

45. It's the hypocrisy stupid...

Nothing wrong with Obama being ambitious, nothing wrong with Obama being a politician, nothing wrong with Obama being a tough campaigner...

What is wrong though is his constant bleating that he isn't any of those things...and criticizing others for the exact same thing he himself does constantly...

Not to mention his ham handed and inept falsehoods regarding Hillary's positions and his own...

[EV_Ares]

52. Did you get Obama's name mixed up wrong in your post in place of

Hillary? You need to get to Iowa so you can set those people straight. Good god, they think he is better than Hillary and as a result he is leading her in the polls.

[SaveElmer]

54. Doesn't alter the facts...nt

[EV_Ares]

55. You mean your facts, . The people know better.

[SaveElmer]

58. No...THE facts...nt

[Tellurian]

92. "Reality and Facts" are strangers with Obama supporters!

[Quixote1818]

60. Is this the best Hillary can do against Obama?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Nedsdag]

62. Grasping straws, eh?

:shrug:

[zulchzulu]

74. As Hillary's Appointed Coronation appears to have been cancelled, posts like this are to be expected

I love it!

More useless Carville spin from the gutter to flail at us while dribbling blobs of mud come leaking out of Team Hillary's facial orifices.

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

78. Three points aheadof Hillary in Iowa. You think anyone is breaking a sweat over it?

Yesterday, Rasmussen called it a "Blip"

:rofl:

[Life Long Dem]

86. It's stuff like this that keeps people from the real issues.

[Tellurian]

91. I think Front-End Loading an Election is tilting the scales in favor of one candidate..

Don't you? How many elections have been denied the People's choice so far?

Iowa is being denied. Where does it end?

[Tellurian]

94. K&R

[Life Long Dem]

100. I agree only if it is illegal.

The only thing I see is that "You cannot register to vote in both locations". Other than the students being already registered in their home state, and being able to verify that if they register in Iowa, the whole thing looks legal though. Show me otherwise and I'll jump on in a second. At first I was ready to jump on Obama but after reading this I changed my mind. http://www.sos.state.ia.us/elections/voterreg/CollegeStudentsVote.html

[mtnsnake]

95. That's precious coming from you, who's brilliant contribution in another thread was "Clinton sucks!"

[Life Long Dem]

99. I said that to the author of the post.

What I said was "Yep. Your not the only one saying Clinton sucks!" And in response to his post of - "Clinton sucks at heartland conference".

Hey I guess getting to NH must have been more important to her. Iowa's loss, too bad.

[William769]

97. K&R!

[JerseygirlCT]

101. What I don't understand about this

1. why should anyone care?

2. why would the Clinton campaign think this is a winner for them?