Rasmussen: Hillary pulls back to double digit lead nationally...

[SaveElmer]

Hillary 37
Obama 24
Edwards 15

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[maddiejoan]

1. She 's in the last throes of her insurgency.

;)

[MonkeyFunk]

6. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Historic NY]

14. Don't you think the surge is back on

[Tellurian]

27. I don't believe her numbers ever fell beneath Obamas'.. This was all media manipulation..

It isn't a secret the media is pro Obama. They continue to represent a Neocon agenda.

The Neocons will do anything, say anything, use anyone, to prevent the Clintons from reclaiming the WH.

[Cameron27]

2. It's over, she's doomed.

[iReachable]

3. Online Poll

Please check here as well and make your own conclusions. It is an independent and simple poll

http://www.ireachable.com/vote

results

http://www.ireachable.com/vote?op=results


voting locations on google map

http://www.ireachable.com/vote?op=map

[saltpoint]

4. Could be she goes on to win the whole thing, SaveElmer, but if she stumbles

in Iowa and New Hampshire, which is a quite plausible chance, she's a wounded champion.

Setting the polls aside, don't you honestly sense that this race is too volatile to determine right now?

[robcon]

5. "Determine" is, of course, a silly word in politics, just like "inevitable."

But Clinton will win the nomination easily if things stand as they are now. But things can change.

[saltpoint]

10. Today's snapshot shows her in the lead nationally. But not in Iowa, and Iowa's

first on the docket.

[robcon]

16. Yes, but Iowa and NH have very few delegates,

and Clinton's lead in the delegate-rich states is enormous.

Iowa and NH get a lot of attention, but they haven't "determined" the candidate in decades, if ever.

[saltpoint]

22. In a matter of speaking, they do "determine" the candidates who are still

in the race the following week.

Not every candidate survives those early primary states, so there is a significant thinning of the herd.

Dole was unable to beat Pat Buchanan in New Hampshire, for example, and one could argue that if he didn't have the % of Puke support in New Hampshire, he would be at a loss against Clinton in the general.

That turned out to be the case.

Fair or not, IA and NH hold considerable control over the flow of political choices. The field is full prior to January 3rd. It likely won't be following Jan. 3rd, which means the impact of those early votes is very significant.

[maddiejoan]

7. Yes

The race looks to me like it could all sorts of ways.

way too volatile for predictions --even in Iowa.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. So every candidate that lost Iowa and New Hampshire

were "wounded"?

[saltpoint]

21. Some who won were. Dick Gephardt won the 88 Iowa caucus but couldn't

turn it into electoral currency. The next time he ran, older, wiser, and better-funded, he was buried alive by Kerry, Edwards, and Dean.

Here are two links delineating the early triumph and eventual setback of Dick Gephardt.

www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0311230422nov23,0,7228231.story

www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/elec04.prez.gephardt/index.html


The volatility of the caucus is owed to the fact that nobody knows who will show up TO caucus, or how many of each candidates' second choices will be in the mix.

HClinton's national lead would be vulnerable in Iowa, where very aggressive grassroots organizations have a people-up flow as opposed to her candidate-down flow.

An internal Clinton memo from earlier this year advised her to skip Iowa altogether, by the way.

[Tellurian]

29. Oh, we know who is going to show up alright..

as many busloads of Illinoisans that can be transported to Iowa in a 12 hr period to skew the results of the Iowa Primary.

[BigDDem]

8. but wait...

she's in a statistical dead heat for 1st in Iowa, she MUST
throw in the towel, it's over

[Alamom]

9. k&r

[MethuenProgressive]

11. DU only believes polls that show Clinton slipping:

"Clinton drops two points!!" (143 recs)
"Clinton increases lead two points." (143 posts claiming all polls are rigged)
:shrug:

[Tellurian]

28. How True!

Bill Clinton won the presidency without Iowa..

the armchair analysts scramble and go poof!

[Beacool]

12. Objectively speaking,

I think that Hillary will probably lose Iowa to Obama, but that it'll be close. Though, she will probably win NH and move on to win the nomination. In Iowa the Clintons never had a base since Bill didn't even bother with the state in '92 and didn't need to in '96. They do have plenty of history and organization in NH. The only variable this year is the compressed primary calendar, if Obama were to win by a wide margin in Iowa it may translate to NH, but if it's close I predict that Hillary will win that primary.

[GDAEx2]

13. What was her lead? Triple digit?

:puke:

[Stop Cornyn]

15. Resurgency = Hillary moves 1% above her lowest point in months while Edwards also moves up 1%? LOL!

[Cameron27]

17. I don't see the OP trying to make that point,

but when she had similar numbers going down, there were multiple threads marking her doom.

[drbob99]

18. Her lead just 7 days ago was 24 points. This poll shows Obama closing the gap.

[drbob99]

19. NH is now down to single digits -- also according to Raz

New Hampshire Dem Primary
========================
Hillary Clinton 33%
Barack Obama 26%
John Edwards 15%
Bill Richardson 9%

[ClarkUSA]

23. Ouch!

:toast:

[hayu_lol]

24. Lets disect this info somewhat...

the real meaning of rapidly changing numbers is because the primary may just turn out to be a real primary. Last time, Kerry blitzed Iowa, his momentum carried over into NH, and that was the end of the primary for 48 other waiting states.

With just a month to go, the heat is on judging from the hate Hillary, hate Obama, and hate Edwards threads written by the usual cast of characters.

Would be nice if the decision went down to the 50th state primary before a clear winner could be announced. Certainly that would keep these threads going quite strongly.

[William769]

25. K&R!

[Perry Logan]

26. Break out the champagne! It's a Rasmussen poll!