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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:35 AM Original message |
Iowa newspaper on Obama's caucus 'cheating': "The Illinois Caucus." |
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Egnever
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Wow not good if true |
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rurallib
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Link here - thanks to Debi |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. The link leads to a scan of the handout telling out of state students how to join a caucus. |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
79. To be fair, that link was provided by an impartial Iowan, |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. I am not an Obama supporter, I am an Iowan who understands the law |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I corrected my post as you were composing this. |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
123. Thank you. n/t |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. rurallib, you do know that there is nothing shading with what Obama is doing |
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rurallib
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Mon Dec-03-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
151. Right - I have spent much of my day defending him |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Thanks rurallib |
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Egnever
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Thanks for the link |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
100. How is it not good? |
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rurallib
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. David Yepsen an effing idiot |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. There's a scan of the questionable handout above- Yepsen didn't forge it, did he? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. But there is nothing illegal or rule breaking about the handout n/t |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. People from out of state who aren't voters can caucus in Iowa? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Yes, people who are attending an Iowa college from another state can register to vote in Iowa |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. The "If you're not from Iowa" handout says nothing about registering to vote. |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:23 AM Original message |
You can't caucus if you're not registered to vote AND Iowa has same day registration |
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frazzled
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Duh--no: out-of-state students who have a residence in Iowa can register to vote there |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. If they're "not from Iowa" they're "from Iowa"? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Yes, by law they are at least for the purpose of voting here n/t |
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JackORoses
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
145. They live in Iowa for most of the year. They have the legal right to caucus. |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Which are considered 'residences' as are dorm rooms. They are within the law. n/t |
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ccpup
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. Politics of Hope? |
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Tellurian
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. All the other candidates signed a pledge to keep the Iowa election "clean" except.. |
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ccpup
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. wow! |
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ellacott
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. There was a pledge that Dodd started |
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Tellurian
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
102. Yes, it is..But who knew of Obama's desperation. Fear he couldn't win Iowa honestly.. |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #102 |
114. Please explain how Obama isn't winning Iowa honestly |
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Tellurian
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I'm talking about the thousands his campaign has recruited |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. You're talking about nonsense |
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tammywammy
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Mon Dec-03-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #115 |
157. Do you have proof of these thousands he's recruiting? |
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ellacott
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
127. Wow |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. Stop it, you're ruining the moment |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. You know that there is no cheating going on here, you just jump from post to post |
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Rock_Garden
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Somehow I missed that one. Interesting. |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
75. So, at the caucuses, if an out of state college student wants to caucus |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
105. Obama cheated? What rule/law did he break? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
135. One Iowan pointed out the grammar rule (or is it punctuation?) |
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surfermaw
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Are you sure the paper is talking about a democrat |
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madrchsod
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. delete |
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sufrommich
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
9. If the Obama campaign goes through with this, |
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ilovesunshine
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. But, it's okay if Obama does this, right? |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It's not like he bused people in from out of state for the debate audience. |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. But if the students on those busses are attending college in Iowa |
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NCarolinawoman
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:24 AM Original message |
How many Illinois students attend Iowa Colleges? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
57. Well, Dean admitted later that he had never seen an Iowa caucus and was complaining |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
58. Obama surely knows how many. And is calling for them to claim Iowa as their caucus home. |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Which is both legal and 'right' by Iowa law and Iowa Caucus rules n/t |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. Bus loads of kids from Illinois to caucus for Obama in Iowa... |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
126. Bus loads of Iowa college students who went home for winter break and received a ride back to Iowa |
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maddiejoan
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. Free ride back to College? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Not a free ride back to college |
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maddiejoan
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Mon Dec-03-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. who is picking up the tab? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. It is no different than volunteers who drive people back and forth to the polling sites |
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maddiejoan
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Mon Dec-03-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. If the Obama campaign spends a dime |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. You've never heard of volunteers driving folks to the polls? |
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sufrommich
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. From bordering states? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. Probably happens more in the primaries than the general elections here |
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maddiejoan
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. across state lines? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Call yourself what you want. n/t |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. They received something (a "free" bus trip) in exchange for their vote? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I called the local Obama office and asked them their plans |
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Mon Dec-03-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. Thanks for that. People are getting themselves freaked out for no reason |
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Renew Deal
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. MYDD: Democratic Campaigns (Hillary, Dodd) Should Not Advocate Voter Disenfranchisement |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "If you're not from Iowa, you can come back and caucus in your college neighborhood." |
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Adelante
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Because the Supreme Court said so 30 years ago |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Thank goodness someone who understands the law and rules is here |
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Renew Deal
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. The only difference between 2008 and the past is the caucus is happening when schools are out |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Yep, they are. Obama is just making it easier for these people to come back n/t |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
73. You're absolutely right! This attack on Obama is absurd. |
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Adelante
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. "it looks bad for Democrats to be taking up a right-wing cause from decades ago" |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Maybe Precinct Caucus Chairs should ask for their 'papers' when they get off the bus n/t |
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Adelante
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Only Clinton or Dodd precinct chairs |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #103 |
124. You forgot the rules established by the Iowa Democratic Party as well |
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Mon Dec-03-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
154. that's exactly what it is: |
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Tom Rinaldo
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I think it is politically foolish though |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Which is why it didn't happen in 2004 |
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Tom Rinaldo
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. The distinction lies somewhere between technical and meaningful |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. If they have an Iowa address and are registered to vote, they can vote. |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. "If you're not from Iowa, you can come back and caucus in your college neighborhood." |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You are being purposely thick |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. "The law is clear. You are trying to cloud it. " *I'm* trying to cloud it?? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. You keep saying Obama is cheating even though I've provided you with the Iowa law |
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Tom Rinaldo
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #51 |
65. I already said that: "Yes it is legal, and because it is legal it is not inproper" |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. I didn't mean to argue. n/t |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
112. "because it is legal it is not inproper" I strongly disagree, Tom. |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. You are correct in that something legal is not always proper, BUT |
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Tom Rinaldo
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. Sure, but a case can be made either way about what a good law would say here |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
17. It's legal and within the rules. The Obama campaign is doing nothing wrong |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. "To become a voter in Iowa one must have a residence in the State. " |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Read all of it instead of cherry-picking |
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MNDemNY
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
60. True, |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. No, but the law in Iowa is clear and out of state students who attend Iowa colleges |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Thanks for clearing that up |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Please do so, but also ask for imput from Iowans |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
25. Did anybody click on the link? Here is the rest |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
29. Hmmm, I wonder how many out of state students.... |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. How many of those "If you're not from Iowa" students will vote at home too? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. That is illegal n/t |
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karynnj
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
94. That is just as illegal as snowbirds |
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
147. You're not very bright, are you? n/t |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. Yes, and I think the complainers didn't think about it and are now |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. You say the 'complainers' are just jealous they didn't think to cheat first? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. It's not cheating, and you are being obtuse n/t |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
33. kick |
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Tellurian
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
117. double kick |
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karynnj
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
36. Give me a break - where did people here register when they were in college? |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Kennebunk. Voted absentee, like the law said I was supposed to. |
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karynnj
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. What law? |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. You can have only one legal residence. That's a law. Except in Iowa? |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. A person can only vote in one state. Iowa law gives them the opportunity to vote here |
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karynnj
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
84. The interpretation in Indiana when I was a kid |
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desi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
71. What I was thinking.. |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Won't they still be in Iowa for the general election? |
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desi
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. A hypothetical |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. An answer |
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desi
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
110. Good try... |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
121. Another hypothetical |
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XemaSab
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
128. I registered and voted in Humboldt County |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
37. Seems to me that the Clinton supporters are getting more and more desperate. |
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BeyondGeography
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. Keep pushing this |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Really counting on that "If you're not from Iowa" vote, eh? |
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Renew Deal
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. What is the exact quote? |
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BeyondGeography
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
66. He's evil |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. You know what, I'm not even an Obama supporter. |
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BeyondGeography
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Thanks for making that factual point |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. debi, just because he's exploiting a loophole and recruiting 'non-Iowan' voters |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. It's not a loop-hole. |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. "Why would you think that?" The law that allows "If you're not from Iowa" to vote in Iowa? |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #85 |
101. How can you classify an Iowa student as a "non-Iowan" and "Illinois resident" |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. The Obama Handout: "If you are not from Iowa, you can come back for the Iowa caucus..." |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I am "not from" Illinois - I grew up in, and am from Connecticut. |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. You're welcome for the answer to your question. Have you another? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Deleted message |
Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
68. Any person from any state can 'support' a candidate |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
83. What's next? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
98. Well - HRC did complain that young people don't vote in high numbers. |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
78. From "zero" previous presidential ambitions to turning the process upside down. Whew!! |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
81. My kids all registered to vote at college as soon as they hit campus. |
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
89. If you go to school in Iowa, you reside in the state for the overwhelming majority of the year |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Welcom to DU Krb123 |
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Thanks Debi |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
125. You catch on fast! n/t |
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
95. How do life long Iowans feel about thousands of out-of-staters voting in the caucus? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. How are out-of-state students any different from adults who recently moved to Iowa? |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. "You are being silly," welcome to DU krb |
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krb123
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. Maybe you think it is "silly" because you are too dumb to pick up on sarcasm |
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. krb, one votes where one resides. |
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
150. How do young people/student feel about getting help and encouragement to participate in the process? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
111. Republican Playbook against students' voting rights |
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MethuenProgressive
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Mon Dec-03-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Wes, if a Right Wing Fundi college set up in your town, would you want them voting |
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. It's not a favor, it is a constitutional *right* of students to vote from school |
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Mon Dec-03-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #120 |
129. "No Iowans are being disenfranchised. They all get to vote, too." |
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Mon Dec-03-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #129 |
142. I am for democracy, too |
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Mon Dec-03-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
153. yeah heaven forbid |
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Debi
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Mon Dec-03-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Is it Friday the 13th or a full moon or something? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. Im arguing for full participation |
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Mon Dec-03-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. You seem to know more than most on this subject - |
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Mon Dec-03-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I'm not the guru on it, but It would seem that participating in the caucuses |
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Mon Dec-03-07 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
156. Um, Hypocritical Hillaryworld is doing the same thing. Nice of Yepsen to leave that part out. |
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