What kind of Transformative Change is Obama offering?

[Tellurian]

Two Questions:

If Obama is willing to "Frontload" the Iowa Caucus with people and students in an effort to overwhelm and skew the eventual results in his favor.

Is this fair to Iowans?

Would you feel the same if Hillary matches him by "Frontloading" the election inviting thousands of people and students to vote for her in Iowa as well?

Tell us how you feel about this by stating your opinion, and you be the Judge.

[ilovesunshine]

1. If Obama does it == Good // If Hillary does it == Bad!

[Renew Deal]

2. Don't take it from me. Listen to a real Iowan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3786144&mesg_id=3786330

And MYDD http://mydd.com/story/2007/12/2/111830/539

[Tellurian]

4. She is not a majority...and the reason my question is so written..

I what to hear from you Bleachers7..

[Renew Deal]

5. I gave you 2 links

Besides that, my view is that there is no difference between 2008 and any other year except the schedule. The college kids are people that would normally vote in the Iowa caucus. The caucus was moved to when the schools are closed. Obama, Hillary, and others are encouraging college students to come back to school early. There's really nothing here.

[Tellurian]

8. No, Hillary and the rest of the candidates pledged not to do what Obama is doing..

I don't know about Edwards, but Dodd, Biden and the rest have pledged not to flood the caucus with bus loads of thousands of people for the Iowa Primary..

I guess we are witnessing how things get done in Chicago..eh? Just like DC.. another Obama fantasy!

Little transformation on Obama's part to a 'higher road' for fair and balanced elections ..as he claimed when he announced! Seems like everything he's said to this point is a stinking LIE!

[Renew Deal]

18. Where did Obama encourage busloads of people to come into Iowa to vote?

Show me that? These are people that already have a right to vote. Is Hillary's campaign trying to disenfranchise young voters or is she just trying to make it seems like she lost because someone "cheated?"

[Tellurian]

28. Obama "outsourcing" the Iowa Caucus!

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=3a86a5c341684631abb59d87c02a2df8&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=3a86a5c341684631abb59d87c02a2df8&plckPostId=Blog%3a3a86a5c341684631abb59d87c02a2df8Post%3a4b5116b4-08c3-43e0-923c-32845f44198e&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

[Tellurian]

3. As for me. I would rather have the residents of Iowa decide

and give them a chance to have a fair and balanced election..

[Dawgs]

12. You don't consider the students that attend school in Iowa residents?

[Nedsdag]

33. Keep it up Tellurian!

Keep dissing the youth vote. They won't show up in November when the Republicans win.

[Egnever]

6. this is pretty transformative and makes me want to vote for him

all by itself

Create a Transparent and Connected Democracy

Open Up Government to its Citizens: The Bush Administration has been one of the most secretive, closed administrations in American history. Our nation's progress has been stifled by a system corrupted by millions of lobbying dollars contributed to political campaigns, the revolving door between government and industry, and privileged access to inside information-all of which have led to policies that favor the few against the public interest. An Obama presidency will use cutting-edge technologies to reverse this dynamic, creating a new level of transparency, accountability and participation for America's citizens. Technology-enabled citizen participation has already produced ideas driving Obama's campaign and its vision for how technology can help connect government to its citizens and engage citizens in a democracy. Barack Obama will use the most current technological tools available to make government less beholden to special interest groups and lobbyists and promote citizen participation in government decision-making. Obama will integrate citizens into the actual business of government by:

Making government data available online in universally accessible formats to allow citizens to make use of that data to comment, derive value, and take action in their own communities. Greater access to environmental data, for example, will help citizens learn about pollution in their communities, provide information about local conditions back to government and empower people to protect themselves.
Establishing pilot programs to open up government decision-making and involve the public in the work of agencies, not simply by soliciting opinions, but by tapping into the vast and distributed expertise of the American citizenry to help government make more informed decisions.
Requiring his appointees who lead Executive Branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can watch a live feed on the Internet as the agencies debate and deliberate the issues that affect American society. He will ensure that these proceedings are archived for all Americans to review, discuss and respond. He will require his appointees to employ all the technological tools available to allow citizens not just to observe, but also to participate and be heard in these meetings.
Restoring the basic principle that government decisions should be based on the best-available, scientifically-valid evidence and not on the ideological predispositions of agency officials.
Lifting the veil from secret deals in Washington with a web site, a search engine, and other web tools that enable citizens easily to track online federal grants, contracts, earmarks, and lobbyist contacts with government officials.
Giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days before signing any non-emergency legislation.
Bringing democracy and policy deliberations directly to the people by requiring his Cabinet officials to have periodic national online town hall meetings to answer questions and discuss issues before their agencies.
Employing technologies, including blogs, wikis and social networking tools, to modernize internal, cross-agency, and public communication and information sharing to improve government decision-making.


Bring Government into the 21st Century: Barack Obama will use technology to reform government and improve the exchange of information between the federal government and citizens while ensuring the security of our networks. Obama believes in the American people and in their intelligence, expertise, and ability and willingness to give and to give back to make government work better.

Obama will appoint the nation's first Chief Technology Officer (CTO) to ensure that our government and all its agencies have the right infrastructure, policies and services for the 21st century. The CTO will ensure the safety of our networks and will lead an interagency effort, working with chief technology and chief information officers of each of the federal agencies, to ensure that they use best-in-class technologies and share best practices.
The CTO will have a specific focus on transparency, by ensuring that each arm of the federal government makes its records open and accessible as the E-Government Act requires. The CTO will also focus on using new technologies to solicit and receive information back from citizens to improve the functioning of democratic government.
The CTO will also ensure technological interoperability of key government functions. For example, the Chief Technology Officer will oversee the development of a national, interoperable wireless network for local, state and federal first responders as the 9/11 commission recommended. This will ensure that fire officials, police officers and EMTs from different jurisdictions have the ability to communicate with each other during a crisis and we do not have a repeat of the failure to deliver critical public services that occurred in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
In the 21st century, our economic success will depend not only on economic analysis but also on technological sophistication and direct experience in this powerful engine of our economy. In an Obama administration, the government's economic policy-making organizations and councils will include individuals with backgrounds in our technology industry.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/

[Egnever]

7. I think hillary is a fool if she isnt encouraging the same thing

Not only is it good to get the students involved but its smart campaigning. Iowans may feel differently however. That remains to be seen.

Perhaps the reason clinton isnt pushing this is because college students arent really where her support comes from.

[Tellurian]

9. Go ahead and think that..

Your first link has nothing to do with the topic.. and furthermore, why would all the other candidates and perhaps the state of Iowa, agree Front End Loading the Elections for no other reason that have these people vote for Obama is not within the spirit of their election laws..

[Dawgs]

11. God forbid a candidate ask people to legally vote for him/her.

Of course, if your candidate didn't think of it first then I can understand why you might want to cry about it.

[Tellurian]

22. Is that your defination of the spirit of Iowa's Election Laws?

I think you are mistaken...

[Scriptor Ignotus]

36. if it's legal, then it's legal

"While it’s legal for college students to register to vote in Iowa to do that..."

[Egnever]

13. You asked what transformative change he offered

Just cause you don't like the fact that it is there doesn't mean it doesn't apply

[Dawgs]

10. If it's legal, then I would think every candidate would and should do it.

They are dumb if they don't.

[SaveElmer]

15. So you have no problem with PAC money

Or money from lobbyists then?

[Renew Deal]

19. I'm not sure what you are referring to, but obviously you don't.

If you support Hillary

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/10012-hillary-s-lobbyists-are-people-too-moment

[Dawgs]

I do have a problem with money from lobbyists and PACs.

[Dawgs]

35. Duplicate message.

[oasis]

14. The "Politics of Hope" have been reduced to an "Obamanation".(eom)

[Skidmore]

16. Man, someone's had too much coffee.

[Tellurian]

17. Obama just on the noon news..Stumbling all over himself in embarrassment!

He asked for it..and he's gonna get taken to the woodshed!

[oasis]

29. Half slick people find themselves entangled in one awkward situation after another.

Look for this "rising star" to burn out shortly after he re-enters the Earth's atomosphere.

[Alamom]

24. Very clever. I like it. nm

[oasis]

30. Great pic of Hillary and her VP. (eom)

[wyldwolf]

20. skin color. Everything else looks the same.

[Renew Deal]

21. At least you acknowledge that the other candidates are doing the same thing.

:thumbsup:

[wyldwolf]

23. nope, I'm pointing out Obama is not a candidate of change

[Renew Deal]

25. I thought you were pointing out he was black.

"skin color. Everything else looks the same."

[wyldwolf]

26. yeo, the only thing new he brings to the table. But nothing of importance

[Jillian]

27. You do mean green, right?

He is way too green for me.

[Nedsdag]

31. What kind of transformative change is HILLARY offering?

OK, she uses the Women's Room instead of the Men's Room. She'll be known as Madame President instead of Mr. President.

That's transformative change?

[mopinko]

32. fair to iowans? what are you talking about? they asked for this

if they don't want their caucuses to be the focus of these races, all they have to do it move them. this is how they set their state up. they are in charge of the rules. fair to iowa? that is one of the longest reaches i have ever seen here. grow up.

[Tellurian]

34. No candidate has ever abused the systen like this cheap trick of Obamas!

[mopinko]

37. oh brother

take a pill pal. you're takin this shit a little too seriously.

[NewHampster]

38. Why not bring in Mexican students