2005, Biden voted to cut off funding for Guantanamo Bay - how did YOUR candidate vote?

[jillan]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00093

Here - let me help:

Clinton (D-NY), Nay

Dodd (D-CT), Nay

Obama (D-IL), Nay

McCain (R-AZ), Nay

Lieberman (D-CT), Nay

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Biden (D-DE), Yea

[Jillian]

1. So who is going to close down Gitmo faster?

very interesting.

[1corona4u]

2. Interesting...I did not know that...

So Joe voted to cut funding...yeah Joe!

[gateley]

3. You know, ALL the candidates get accused of saying what they think the people

want to hear in order to garner votes. Guantanamo is a popular question. Turns out Biden voted to stop funding in 2005????? And NONE of the other candidates voted Yea? What are each of them saying now? Do they want to continue to fund it? I'm curious what they're saying now compared to how they voted.

Again, Biden was out there DOING when it wasn't the 'topic du jour'. With so many of these issues being brought up to the candidates, I continue to be impressed on the pro-active ACTIONS Biden has taken.

The contrast between Biden and the rest continues to be evident to me.

[Jillian]

4. What is that saying of his?

Show me your budget and I'll show you your priorities.

Bingo!

[1corona4u]

7. ditto.

[youthere]

5. Kicking

[skipos]

6. Interesting

I like Biden, as well as other candidates fwiw.

[PresidentObama]

8. Go Biden!! Smart move. He needs to bring this up on the campaign trail.

[Jennifer C]

13. Agreed, he should bring it up.

It would certainly raise many eyebrows.

[1corona4u]

14. Ditto...

[youthere]

9. Kicking again. Actions speak louder than words.

[Froward69]

10. I knew I picked correctly

Biden has been against that torture hole before it was cool to be.

[jillan]

11. good one!

[1corona4u]

15. LOL...yes, you did....all of his supporters get it...

[Jennifer C]

12. Well done Biden, very smart.

It's interesting. I wasn't aware of this before.

Does anyone know why Clinton, Obama, and Dodd voted to keep funding Guantanamo Bay? What was their reasoning?

[Perry Logan]

16. Not much of a team player, is he?

[1corona4u]

20. No, thank God...

[PatSeg]

28. Not much!

But he has a history of sort of negative behavior.

[murbley40]

17. kick

[Steely_Dan]

18. Not Surprised

Biden has often been ahead of the curve.

-Paige

[1corona4u]

19. Exactly....who better to see into the future, and change it, than Biden....

[robinlynne]

21. Edwards?

[1corona4u]

22. He wsn't in the senate when this vote took place..

lucky him...but too bad he didn't get off that easy, with the BK bills that he signed, that Dodd outted him on the other night at the Brown & Black Forum in Iowa...it was a classic....Dodd made sure that everyone there knew the Edwards had voted for the BK bills, not once, but 3 times.....

[robinlynne]

23. Is BK bankruptcy?

[1corona4u]

27. Yes, it is.

[jillan]

24. kicking for the nite crowd!

[PatSeg]

29. Thanks

That would include me! :toast:

[jillan]

25. I love it how the supporters of the other candidates are so quiet!

What's the matter?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

31. There's a plague of crickets up in here on many topics...

[Lucinda]

34. Can you help me with my post #33

[LWolf]

26. My candidate isn't in the Senate.

How do you think he would have voted?

:hi:

[skipos]

30. Biden was right

(and I don't have a candidate yet).

[Jennifer C]

32. Kick

[Lucinda]

33. Can someone explain this to me...

"AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To reduce by $36,000,000 the amount appropriated for "Military Construction, Army", with the amount of the reduction to be allocated to funds available under that heading for the Camp 6 Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."

I'm tired, so maybe I am not reading this correctly...but doesn't the amendment ask for $36 million to be removed from the general "Military Construction, Army" fund and be made available TO Camp 6 Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

35. You raise an interesting question, but only one Republican voted Yea (26 dems) so

whatever the wrinkle involved, Biden was with a slim majority of the Dems and against all but 1 of the Rs.

So the amendment was probably not pro GWOT.

But I don't know anything about this one. Piranha will have to weigh in.

[Jennifer C]

36. I just noticed that too

Only 1 R voted Yea.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

38. Sounds like a complex vote. Kerry, Durbin and Lieberman were all nays

What's wrong with that picture?

[Lucinda]

40. May sound silly, but Kerry is usually my touchstone

when I saw his vote, and tried to make sense of the convoluted language it led to my question...thanks for answering me up-thread!

[Jennifer C]

41. I've found this

Close Guantánamo Prison
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 23 May 2005

Last month, in a little-noticed vote, the Senate rejected Democratic Senator Robert Byrd's proposal to delete funding for the US prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The amendment to the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 would have stripped HR 1268 of $36 million earmarked for construction of a permanent, 220-person military prison at Guantánamo. Opponents of the amendment said a new prison would keep detainees from being transferred to the United States, where terrorists might seek to free them.

These folks may well see the US federal courts, which now hear the Guantánamo inmates' habeas corpus petitions, as "terrorist." Before the Supreme Court instructed the Bush administration it must give prisoners access to our courts to challenge their detentions (see Supreme Court: War No Blank Check for Bush), the International Committee of the Red Cross called the Guantánamo prison a "legal black hole." Between 500 and 600 men and boys have been detained there for more than three years with no criminal charges against them, in violation of US and international law.

Many Republican opponents of Byrd's amendment are those who strive to destroy the time-honored filibuster in order to appease their right-wing Christian base. Some, such as Pat Robertson, would put independent judges in the same category as terrorists. In an interview with George Stephanopoulos, Robertson affirmed that judges who don't share his Christian values are a more serious threat to us than Al Qaeda.

It is not just Republican senators who voted against de-funding a permanent prison at Guantánamo Bay. Seventeen Democrats, including John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, joined all Republicans senators except Arlen Specter in supporting the new prison construction.

Although Democratic senators are currently waging a valiant battle to preserve the independence of the judiciary, many have wilted in the face of Bush's conflating of the war in Iraq with his "war on terror." They are afraid to stand up to him, demand that we save thousands of lives by pulling out of Iraq, and vote to bring a halt to the disgrace that is, in the words of the National Lawyers Guild and the American Association of Jurists, a veritable "concentration camp" at Guantánamo Bay.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052305B.shtml

[maximusveritas]

43. So it wouldn't have cut off all funding to Guantánamo

It just would have taken out the funding for a new prison to be built to replace the makeshift one that was in poor condition. So it was really just a financial question. That's the argument Byrd made on the floor. That taxpayers shouldn't be asked to spend almost $40 million when they were already starting to cut down the number of detainees.

[fujiyama]

37. Good move

Shows a real understanding of the issue.

I like Obama, but for someone who sounds like he really wants a change from the status quo, he's played it very safe with his votes. I'm not surprised with Hillary, but Obama's many of his votes as of late (when he does vote) are just disappointing.

[calteacherguy]

39. K&R for Mr. Biden. Good work, Joe. nt

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[Think82]

44. Joe was right

[nyc 4 Biden]

45. k&r nt

[youthere]

46. Kicking &R

[murbley40]

47. kick