Thanks to Obama supporters here, I am officially for Hillary now..

[joeybee12]

...while most of the candidates appeal to me at some level, and also do not appeal to me on some level...I cannot bear one more sanctimonious post by the Obama can do no wrong crowd.

ALL the candidates have strengths and flaws, but if ONLY ONE Obama supporter here even acknowledged that at one point, I could consider supporting him...but it's clear that is something I will never see.

Flame away!!!!

[MadBadger]

1. Well, the Clinton supporters here have made me not be able to stand her.

[joeybee12]

4. To each his own...

...and to Barack and suuporters, here's hoping Donny McClurkin sings at the inagural if Barack somehow (God forbid) manages to get in.

[MadBadger]

9. And heres to hoping Rupert Murdoch hosts her inagural.

[joeybee12]

28. You people will NEVER get it...

...and I'm sick of trying. If donny were gay and said that blacks were evil, how would you rationalize that?

[MadBadger]

29. If Rupert Murdoch was Satan....Oh wait, he is.

[William769]

94. self delete, posted wrong place.

[cuke]

112. You're right. Obama supporters will never get it

Even here, they can't say anything in defense of Obama. All they can do is attack, attack, attack

[EV_Ares]

40. Such a nice looking couple. The RWers love that photo, nt.

[Bitwit1234]

36. But one damn thing you don't see Hillary supporters flaming and slurring

and posting sometimes twenty year old hit pieces the republicans dug up. they don't swift boat Obama like the grouper roopers Obama bunch are doing every other post. That's all there is here now. The Hillary bashers have taken over the whole darn site. It is sickening.

[Name removed]

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[Catherine Vincent]

50. No namecalling. nt

[sufrommich]

87. Some seem to have no problem using freeper

photoshops either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3789444&mesg_id=3789637

I have yet to see a Clinton supporter post a freeper photoshop pic of any Dem candidate.

[awoke_in_2003]

83. Well, Clinton and Obama supporters have

got me to the point that I can not stand either of them.

[sniffa]

100. ditto

[ronnykmarshall]

111. Back at ya hon!

[maddiejoan]

2. Welcome to Sanity

and congratulations for reaching a decision.

[joeybee12]

27. Thanks....

....as long as you aren't an Obama supporter, I will vote for your canidate in the general election!

[maddiejoan]

30. It's Hillary

--so I'm quite sure you will. :)

[Ignis]

115. So you won't vote for Obama if he's the (D) GE nominee? (nt)

[Zueda]

51. Wow! Reading that while looking at your avatar...

really scared the freaking sheet out of me!

[maddiejoan]

57. It's Audrey Tatou

From the movie Amelie.

Not sure why that would freak you out.

[Zueda]

60. My bust!...

I thought looked like Johnny Depp from the movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

[madrchsod]

66. wow a 90% on rotten tomatoes-.got to watch the film

[maddiejoan]

72. You won't regret it!

It's a beautiful film

[BeyondGeography]

3. I think his pot smoking occasionally shows up in his debate performances

Other than that, and the occasional missed opportunity to lighten things up with humor, perfect.

[joeybee12]

Donny McClurkin...

...Donny McClurkin...and if you think that doesn't matter, well....

[gmudem]

81. But Clinton being in the pockets of corporations doesn't matter?

Double standards are funny.

[paulk]

108. and this is the sort of generic smear

that is turning so many off.

Clinton is no more in the "pocket of corporations" than any other Democratic candidate, which is to say she isn't.

[Dawgs]

102. I have seen many Obama supporters post that the McClurkin decision was a mistake.

Including myself.

I guess you only see what you want; or maybe you were away from DU that week.

[maddiejoan]

34. If Obama does become the nominee

He should try getting to Biden to become his VP, or at least punch up his speeches for humour.

Now THAT man can tell a joke.

[sandnsea]

5. yeah I believe that n/t

[joeybee12]

13. Thanks for proving my point!

Apparently you obama apologists can read minds and judge my intentions better than I can!

[sandnsea]

31. I can observe actions

and yours are clear.

[JeffR]

6. So you choose a candidate based on dislike of another's fans?

DU gets stranger by the day.

[joeybee12]

8. read the whole post...

...I said I like most of them on some level...

[JeffR]

19. Noted. I just don't understand how your final criterion came about

No snark intended. I really do not understand this.

[BeyondGeography]

10. He's a Boston fan

Their whole identity is tied up in hating the supporters of the other team.

[IndianaGreen]

21. I get a mental block on anything Red Sox related, so I didn't see the logo

but then, I'm a NY Yankees fan! :-)

[maddiejoan]

37. I haven't come around to supporting Obama --

--but I support YOU!

you a funny one! :)

[BeyondGeography]

52. We're leaving the light on for ya, Maddie

just don't tell joeybee.

[maddiejoan]

53. At this point --

--Obama is my second choice.

I know DU heresy to like them both --but I'm a real sicko.

[motocicleta]

69. I'm a Red Sox fan

I'm just tied up in enjoying the domination of the Sox vs. all other teams. Scoreboard.

Plus which, as much as I believe HRC cannot win in the general, hence my non-support for her in the primary, Obama looks like a bigger general election loser, so he runs a distant fifth in my primary tastes, behind even HRC.

[Reno.Muse]

7. And thanks to Hillary's campaign goofs, I am leaning toward Obama now.

[Cha]

62. What happened to

support for John? :)

[IndianaGreen]

11. And when you see a Lite beer commercial on TV you feel compelled to buy Bud

Yeah, right! :eyes:

[joeybee12]

17. Pretty lousy comparison...

...do Bud commercials bash Lite beer day and night basically without merit?

[TwilightZone]

12. Try not to let supporters - especially supporters on DU - affect your views of the candidates.

DUers are a very small subset of any candidate's supporters. As difficult as it is to do, please try to filter out their vehemence when considering the candidates. They most likely aren't representative of their candidates or other supporters of their candidates, for that matter.

[MADem]

32. That's a good plan. Some folks here are kinda....ardent.

They actually aren't helping their candidates, though, any of the rude and bellowing ones. No matter who they support.

There is a slight tendency to associate the failings of these 'ardent' supporters with the candidates, but that's not too swift, either...

[TwilightZone]

46. Agreed.

The closer the primaries get, the more difficult it tends to be to maintain a view of any candidate that is independent of the words and actions of his/her supporters, especially if you spend a lot of time on DU. :)

I've concluded that many of the most ardent supporters have no interest in "helping" their candidates. I sometimes think that they're just here to wreck havoc.

[ConfidentialStatus]

14. I won't flame

But you do have other choices.

[wtmusic]

15. Voting out of spite. There's a winner.

:eyes:

[joeybee12]

23. Where's the spite...only in your post...

...the if you read the whole post you could see that....but alas, Barack supporters can only see their savior.

[faithfulcitizen]

54. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, but s/he looks like Dodd supporter.

:shrug:

[TheUniverse]

16. This is probably the worst reason to support a candidate ever...

Seriously, support a candidate if you like the candidate, not to get back at someone on a forum. And remember, Hillary and Barack aren't the only candidates.

[jefferson_dem]

18. Actually, I was considering switching to Hillary until I saw your post.

I can't stand to support someone who is supported by someone who is so santimoneous to think that others are santimoneous...when they aren't.

[ClarkUSA]

20. Considering your long litany of anti-Obama/pro-Hillary posts, this is hardly surprising

:eyes:

[joeybee12]

25. I've often posted in support of other candidates...

...but when I see this sanctimonious holier than thou attitude among Obama supporters, i feel compelled to chime in.

Do you people honestly think you are changing someone's mind by bashing Hillary constantly and blindly supporting Obama all the time, even when he screws up?

[itsrobert]

Exactly

He does have a steady stream of those.

[Dawgs]

103. Who doesn't?

I could say the same thing about any candidate.

I have yet to see a post from a Hillary supporter where they admitted she made a mistake.

[mtnsnake]

49. Now is this really true or are you just sour grapes at him for his change?

I don't remember him making any kind of "long litany of anti-Obama/pro-Hillary posts".

[ClarkUSA]

68. Do a search of his/her posts.

Then get back to me.

[rufus dog]

to each his own

On a week of Hillary gaff and mudslinging it seems like a strange take, but good luck.

[Colobo]

22. Well, congratulations.

[silverweb]

24. That's kinda dumb.

Sort of like basing one's choice of coffee or tea on the personalities of those who drink either coffee or tea, not the flavor of the beverage itself.

It seems to me to be much more reasonable to base one's choice of candidate on the candidate, not the candidate's supporters -- and use the "ignore" feature liberally for annoying DU personalities until after the primaries.

Just IMHO, of course.

[joeybee12]

26. Not a good comparison in my opinion...

...tea doesn't bash coffee constantly...tea doesn't think it's God's gift to this country while coffee is satan.

[silverweb]

35. Of course not.

But tea's supporters might bash coffee a lot, while coffee's supporters trash tea back....

Use "ignore." Seriously. It'll be good for your blood pressure. :D

[Kucinich4America]

92. Coffee is Satan? So you're a Romney supporter now?

:evilgrin:

[Quixote1818]

33. There are 110,000 people on DU and only about 5 or 10 who are Obama zealot's

who frequently post and only about 5 or 10 Clinton zealots who constantly post.

And you are going to determine your vote on those ten people?

Unbelievable! :crazy:

[EV_Ares]

44. Well, my bet would be, was already for Hillary, just another attack

move in a different way. Hard to believe anyone would make their choice based on a message board like this with all the crap being thrown around. Would hope they could make a more intelligent decision than that.s Maybe not.

[Dawgs]

105. Me thinks the "Obama supporters" the OP refers to may support other candidates.

I think this is one of those ways to attack Obama and prop up Hillary by pretending to be angry about something that doesn't exist.

[EV_Ares]

38. LOL, oh man, this has to be nominated for the funniest post of the day, nt.

Must be partially blind not to able to read the Hillary posts. One poster I know made at least 5 different attack posts early on.

[MadBadger]

39. Why not Edwards?

[AlCzervik]

41. the nastiness from many candidates supporters almost make feel bad for the candidates.

[tammywammy]

82. Me too

[skipos]

43. I like Obama and he has made some mistakes.

Like all of the candidates, he has strengths and weakness.

Will you stop supporting Hillary now?

[Catherine Vincent]

45. My support of Hillary is a little different.

I started out supporting Edwards and Obama and definitely not Clinton because I didn't want her as president. But after seeing all the bile against Hillary, I have changed my mind. I support her along with Obama, Edwards, Biden etc.

[Connie_Corleone]

47. You do realize not ALL Obama supporters are alike?

Just because there are a few "vocal" Obama supporters on DU who might post that way doesn't mean we're all like that.

Seriously now. You don't have to make up a reason to support Hillary. If you support her, you support her. Don't blame some Obama supporters for your own decision.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

48. Why would you base your choice on the perceived obnoxiousness

of a relatively small number of people? If you agree with a candidate's positions on important issues, vote for him/her. If you don't agree, don't vote for him/her. You're letting other people's behavior control you. Don't do that.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

56. Actually, Obama supporters led me to a better understanding of his candidacy. They make

a lot of the same arguments and those arguments often seem insane to me. So I looked more closely at Obama, (really ready the supporters links and such) and found that his supporters' odd analysis of things are often based on his own campaign and philosophy. And it is a philosophy that is hilariously naive and based on little but megalomania. He's a smart man, but really a self-absorbed fool at heart. And he never says ANYTHING about anything at all... it's like Scientology or something.

I ended up really disliking Obama for himself, but his supporters showed the way.

[otohara]

55. I Was Fine With Hillary, But Her Words of Recent

the last couple of weeks and then today equating herself to the same experience as Biden, Dodd, Richardson was a real turn-off. I think she's one hell of a smart woman, but I think those men would chuckle at that notion.

The interview with Katie Couric really bothered me. So, now Obama is my guy, not because of DU - that would be just stupid to change my mind because of the bickering that goes on in this place.

[zulchzulu]

58. Frankly, who cares...

I suspect you were for her in the first place. Don't think we can't see past your ruse.

Support her...or better yet, if you're really serious, tell us why you would support her over Obama.

If you base your opinion on a candidate based on how a couple people might defend Obama or whatever on DU, then it's pretty shallow as a way to support another candidate.

I don't think anyone on DU who supports Obama is part of the "Obama can do no wrong crowd". Name the issue and tell us what the "Obama can do no wrong crowd" said about the issue.

Support whoever you want.

[Name removed]

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[Nedsdag]

61. C'est la vie.

No politician is perfect. But if you feel she's the candidate for you, fine.

Just don't act like the Hillbots and start going after Obama. They're the reasons why I'm an Obama supporter.

[ilovesunshine]

64. You're too fricking funny!

So, are you an Obamabot?

[elana i am]

63. as ridiculous as petty

arguing about the candidates can get here, it doesn't reach the same level of pathetic as admitting you let someone else manipulate your decision making that way and excercise control over how you perform your civic duty.

*eyeroll* puuleeeeeeaze!

[The River]

65. I Figured The Media Darlings

would shred each other just before the Iowa primary.
It was so predicable.
At least it makes room for the others to come to the front.
I'd be thrilled to see any combination of Biden, Edwards or Richardson
take 1st and 2nd.

[Renew Deal]

67. Get over yourself

I am no Obama supporter, but your post is sanctimonious BS. You chose a candidate because of what a few of another candidates supporters do? Wow, I'm impressed with your judgement and convictions. :eyes:

[quinnox]

70. It's always nice to have new Hillary supporters

Yea, the Obama swarm can be bad, they have some doozies on that side that do no credit to their candidate and probably turn off many others to Obama.

The hatred and right wing-like nastiness towards Hillary by some in the Obama camp can do that.

And thats right, there is a holier than thou attitude also there.

Can Obama do no wrong in the eye of his supporters? Apparently not.

[Dawgs]

106. The OP was always a Hillary supporter.

Look at their previous posts.

[mtnsnake]

107. Some people like more than one Democrat. Maybe the OPer liked Obama AND Hillary, just like others do

Just because someone might support more than one candidate, it doesn't mean their ultimate Primary vote is going to be any less relevant than yours.

[Dawgs]

109. Then why have they continuosly attacked Obama?

[CyberPieHole]

71. The Obama supporters tend to be pretty snarky here...

but I wouldn't let that be the reason to opt out against Obama. Obama is just a little to green to warrant my support. I haven't chosen a candidate yet, but it sure is not Obama.

[LittleClarkie]

73. Thanks to all the damn supporters, I don't have a candidate yet.

Well, not exactly true. But sometimes I think the supporters here forget that their behaviors do indeed reflect on their candidates. Some think they have the votes to burn.

[jgraz]

74. Yet another mature, intelligent, well-reasoned argument for supporting Hillary

God forbid anyone should ever have to support her on her own merits. :eyes:

[Skip Intro]

75. You aren't the first, and won't be the last.

That's for sure.

[Imagevision]

76. Clearly Hillary and Obama do have flaws, however more people are taking a closer look at Obama and

this has begun to start showing in Hillary's numbers beginning to fade. I don't believe Hillary is bullet-proof as far as being the great white hope who is the only one who is capable in defeating anyone the Republicans decide on using for their candidate.

[saracat]

77. Wow, you seem to have chosen the only candidate whose supporters continually insult

other candidate supporters.How very odd that that would inspire you to support their candidate! No flames.Support who you like.I am sure you always have.

[Skip Intro]

85. Ever had a Hillary supporter tell you that you want Osama to go free?

I have twice by Obama supporters.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg.


I've never seen such rudeness and downright hostility from one group of people. Not all, but many here.

And I've seen nothing that would compare from Hillary supporters here.

[saracat]

88. Well, I haven't seen much nastiness from the Obama people at all but I have seen tons of viciousness

from the Hillary Camp.I do not doubt their may be some vicious Obama supporters, I just have not seen any.It often seems that they have been baited by the Clinton Camp first. I know in many years of campaigns and active politics I have never seen anything as nasty as the Clinton Campaign and the behavior reaches up to the very highest levels including Carville, Terry Mac and Mark Penn.It isn't isolated to DU. Nasty people seem to predominate that campaign.But there are a very few nice Clinton supporters on DU.But they are few.

[emilyg]

89. It's a good thing I promised myself not to go after you.

[Catherine Vincent]

114. I think you're talking about yourself in your post.

When I see words like nastiness, viciousness, bait, I think of your posts. You do Edwards no favor by being that way.

[tammywammy]

78. That's one of the silliest reasons I've seen to support a candidate

There are very vocal supporters of all the candidates here.

I tend to chose a candidate based on their records, stances on issues, etc. not by what some of their supporters on an anonymous message board says. Plus, remember DU is a small subset of the democratic party overall.

[1932]

79. She couldn't convince you on her own?

[jgraz]

84. Why do you think she's dropped 11 points in the past month

She can't convince anyone on her own. Once people start paying attention, there's really no bottom for her.

[gmudem]

80. That doesn't make any sense. To put it kindly.

You're not supporting a candidate because of how his supporters act? Maybe you should judge Obama based on how OBAMA acts. Can you really be that petty?

[fujiyama]

86. More than just two candidates out there

Spite is probably a bad way to choose your candidate.

[K8-EEE]

90. Don't need anybody else's supporters to influence me: EDWARDS!!

EDWARDS!

Kinda weak reasoning Joey, just IMO....

[Alexander]

91. Bullshit.

You're rationalizing and blaming other people for your decisions.

Small wonder you're for Hillary. :eyes:

[Apollo11]

93. Maybe you were always for Hillary?

[William769]

95. Welcome aboard!

[Tellurian]

98. K&R

:dem:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

96. I'm hoping Hillary wins for the same reason.

I still think John Edwards would make the best candidate, but I'm hoping for a Clinton victory.

The response from the Obama supporters on this thread is amusingly ironic, I feel.

[sundancekid]

97. you really make all your vital political choices on such TRIVIAL standards??? puhleeze

more puhleeze - you need a DUer to bend down b4 you would even consider certain candidates??? STUNNING.

[sniffa]

99. it's too bad it's only her and Obama

it's a shame you don't have any other options.

[Dawgs]

101. But you're okay with Hillary supporters calling Obama a bigot, naive, stupid, dumb?

I'm not buying your 'I'm now a Hillary supporter'. You always were, and you know it.

Have you ever seen a Hillary supporter point out her flaws? I haven't.

[Vickers]

104. (note to self: do not invite joeybee12 to join the debate team)

:spank:

[ronnykmarshall]

110. Oh dear

:hide:

[bunnies]

113. Most absurd reason ever for supporting a candidate.

wow.

[Forkboy]

116. That's the most shallow way to pick a candidate that I've ever heard.

If your critical thinking skills are so weak that you can only go by things like that our democracy might be better served by you not voting at all.

There, you said "flame away". :P

[AtomicKitten]

117. Bon appetit.

[Robbins]

118. Hillary

Thanks to her and her supporters I can not vote for her In a general election(I won't be voting for any republican eather) while I like Edwards better than Obama I have no trouble voting for Obama.
When I see Hillary In debates she Is almost full as much with BS as Bush.And before some accuse
Obama of using republican talking points Hillary did that against Obama and Edwards by calling
making the wealthy pay more In social security takex as a tax Increase.