To all fiscally conservative Freeper Lurkers, check this graph out and choke on it.

[Jamnt]

Can this get 5 rec so they see it in the morning? Thanks.

[Fresh_Start]

1. Freepers here's another chart you'll love

http://zfacts.com/p/480.html

[progressoid]

15. Wow. That's a telling little graph too.

And a keeper. Thanks for the link.

[Fresh_Start]

31. your welcome

I want to print it on little cards and hand it out when people say of course we can't have healthcare, more affordable education, etc.

[ideagarden]

42. don't forget the initial down turn

FDR started the initial down turn after WWII. The war thugs have brought it up buying expensive war toys to pillage and plunder. They truly are against life on this planet.

[insanad]

46. What the money we're spending could be doing instead....

This was researched a few months ago so the numbers have gone up considerably since then. I completely agree that the corporations and government officials who are profiting from this war should be held accountable, forced to pay for reparations, and otherwise compensate for the war that they have initiated, promoted, and profitted from. I believe Bush and Cheney are the worst and their wealth should be used to pay the bulk of these horrendous costs. Let them experience the devastation that they've inflicted on millions of Iraqui's and let them feel what it's like to live with the minimal compensation that a soldier or his family recieve.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/rece... /
http://icasualties.org/oif /
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?op...
What the money we're spending could be doing instead....
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?op ...

The War In Iraq Costs SO FAR...

$456,172,238,408

Instead, we could have insured
273,157,028
children for one year.

Instead, we could have built
4,107,403
additional housing units.


Instead, we could have hired
7,905,524
additional public school teachers for one year.

Instead, we could have paid for
60,420,205
children to attend a year of Head Start.


Instead, we could have provided
22,114,244
students four-year scholarships at public universities.

SO FAR, and the counter is running with $4,100 for every American household;
$1,500 for every American;
$3,400 for every taxpayer;
$11 million per hour and;
$275 million per day.

Think what that amount of money could have done if we'd invested it in alternative energy sources. At $4,100 per household, we could have made solar, wind, or other natural and renewable sources of energy available to each home in America, making oil and coal nearly obsolete in the heating and cooling of our homes. If we'd spent that on our auto industries and created more fuel efficient, cleaner, or even electric transportation, think what that could do for our dependence on oil and the unstable countries we do business with.

I do sincerely hope that our nation will be able to hold George Bush and his cronies, and the companies he is in bed with accountable for this war and what it's cost all of us. I believe he should be held accountable for what has happened to Iraq, and on some part, the loss of lives of the Iraqi people. He is a war president as he always hoped, but he's also a war criminal and should be prosecuted as such. The money hurts now, but the loss of our military strength, the reputation and integrity of our nation, the loss of esteem of the nations of the world and so much more are the true legacy of George W. Bush.

[populistdriven]

60. i like this graph also !

[progressoid]

63. I'm always stunned when Repubes praise Ronny for his fiscal policies.

What the hell made him so popular?

[sakabatou]

2. Um... it's a little misleading

Shouldn't it include rep/dem presidents since 1929 on there?

[Jamnt]

3. Perhaps, but I think the point is made anyway. nt

[Occam Bandage]

43. Reagan was the birth of the modern Republican party:

Big government, religious pandering, pork left and right. I think it's fair to start there.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

48. Good description. I'd add crooks and liars. They're that too. nt

[unpossibles]

59. I know what you mean, but

the point is that WWII caused massive debt which we've trying to pay down since then. The debt as percentage of income was decreasing fairly steadily until Supply Side Voodoonomics hit.

[JDPriestly]

4. It should be called the Gross National Republican Debt,

not the Gross National Debt.

[eppur_se_muova]

14. I've been pushing to have it named the Ronald Reagan Memorial National Debt.

Repukes are so eager to memorialize St. Ronnie, they might sign the paperwork before they realize what's up.

[stevebreeze]

35. We have a toll way in Il named after Ronnie...how perfect is that?

every time I drop a coin I remember yeah Ronnie I'm still payin' for your sorry ass!

[wizstars]

57. Yeah! We could put him on a mountain higher than Mt. Rushmore!!

:rofl:

Wouldn't the Freeps love that???

[Buzz Clik]

5. Dey don' do numbers so good. Mite hafta splain it to 'em.

[Skittles]

6. you're assuming freeper fucktards know how to read a graph

I highly doubt it

[Lautremont]

23. They may be able to read this one because it says "Democrat President."

They'll understand that, at least.

[JoePhilly]

7. Most Freepers will see this graph as proof that Global Warming is a Hoax.

[OnyxCollie]

9. LOL!

Welcome to DU!:hi:

[hootinholler]

16. Pirate Garb for Everyone! n/t

[Blue Fire]

54. And invading Iran is the right thing to do!

[skipos]

8. Kick. nt

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

10. But we had GOP presidents in the fifties and late sixties too-----

This is a weird graph.

[MannyGoldstein]

11. How About These? (From My Blog)

And... http://blueworksbetter.com/PresidentsGDPGrowth

[RavensChick]

40. Nice!

That says it all! I'm gonna show it to my Business professor (who's a Dem, thank goodness) so she'll see that these repukes have made us poor every time they're in office. Bushy is getting us to the brink of being a 3rd world nation with his fuckups!

[ruggerson]

12. You're assuming Freakers can read

[Festivito]

13. They'll avert their eyes before having to read, then spew lies.

"It was the Dem congress..." (Then R's had all three branches and it went UP.)

"It's under 5% of GDP yearly..." (And GDP grows 2%???!!!)

"Clinton's GDP grew too slowly" (And while reducing borrowing, not increasing borrowing)

"R's would reach a balanced budget sooner than Dems." (Hmmm. And when in charge, guess what, more borrowing.)

"Clinton left us a recession." (Only after R's recalculated with a twisted definition of recession that included a quarter in R's first quarter including only 20 days of Clinton, and those 20 days did not add to the negative as did the Bush time. And the prior period where GDP went down had to be rounded down in order to get in order to get the number to go down despite two large raises on either side of it. And the definition had to ignore a good intervening reporting period in order to twistedly MAKE if not FAKE a Clinton recession.)

But, they are happy since they have tax cuts that will only harm their children LATER, not now. And, by then they'll be intolerant of their own children as well! That's their idea of a win-win.

[singingbiscuit]

25. They only care about their children while the kids are in utero.

"But, they are happy since they have tax cuts that will only harm their children LATER, not now. And, by then they'll be intolerant of their own children as well! That's their idea of a win-win."

Makes perfect sense to me.

[tom_paine]

17. Bushie (or Nazi) says, "That's Liberal (or Jewish) propaganda."

For them, the great and vast majority of Bushies or their Nazi spiritual ancestors, that is all. They would look right through it like a pane of glass.

The same way they look through their victims, the Iraqis (or Jews) like panes of glass.

It is what they are. It is their core.

[Perry Logan]

18. ...and then get the hell out of our country, you degenerate scum.

[riqster]

19. How can this sort of trivia outweigh a blowjob?

:sarcasm:

[IronLionZion]

20. and job creation too

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Data_on_Job_Creation_by_President

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

Freepers can suck on this. You could say Republican policies create jobs only if you are a liar.

[motocicleta]

21. The interim period between Repuke spending sprees was

the result of a Democratic President, not a member of the Democrat Party - that is a clear puke meme and should not be repeated by people with functioning brains.

Otherwise, great graph! Not that freepers will listen to logic, but still.

[givemebackmycountry]

22. Here Freep-a-holes - how about a cartoon version that surely you will understand...

Because we all know that you are very comfortable with cartoons.
Look at the current monkey in chief - a walking, talking, cartoon.
And he's your HERO.

[mzmolly]

24. This deserves a thread of it's own.

:hi:

[SavageDem]

30. Mr. Trudeau, I salute you.

I think Doonesbury was the genesis (along with my liberal pastor parents - yep, I'm a "PK") of my political awakening. I got a compilation book in the late '70s (I think - it was definitely when I was in high school) of early Doonesbury, including the Nixon years, "Guilty, guilty, guilty!", BD in Vietnam, et al. Garry is a national treasure.

[jellybeancurse]

26. I'd like to see a graph

depicting Dem v. Rep Congresses compared with levels of spending

[unpossibles]

61. with a little research you could make one

use the same graph and look up who had the majority when.

Might not tell the whole story either, but I get what your point is.

Welcome to DU, btw.

[RainDog]

27. and more proof that democrats are better for the economy

Even accounting for the claim that dems reap the benefit of repuke fiscal policies (which, it turns out, is a lie)

Democratic presidents have consistently higher economic growth and consistently lower unemployment than Republican presidents. If you add in a time lag, you get the same result. If you eliminate the best and worst presidents, you get the same result. If you take a look at other economic indicators, you get the same result. There's just no way around it: Democratic administrations are better for the economy than Republican administrations.

Skeptics offer two arguments: first, that presidents don't control the economy; second, that there are too few data points to draw any firm conclusions. Neither argument is convincing. It's true that presidents don't control the economy, but they do influence it — as everyone tacitly acknowledges by fighting like crazed banshees over every facet of fiscal policy ever offered up by a president.

The second argument doesn't hold water either. The dataset that delivers these results now covers more than 50 years, 10 administrations, and half a dozen different measures. That's a fair amount of data, and the results are awesomely consistent: Democrats do better no matter what you measure, how you measure it, or how you fiddle with the data.

Be sure to go to the link and read the Princeton study that studied this truth.

[ingac70]

28. "fiscally conservative"....

That creature became extinct with the election of Reagan.

[nxylas]

29. Only cos the Dems won't spend money on important stuff

Like missiles and corporate welfare and carving Reagan's face onto Mount Rushmore.

[liberal N proud]

32. Kick

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. This psycho-in-chief has amassed more debt than ALL THE PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM...COMBINED!!!

Choke on it...INDEED.:grr: You dumb ass, ignorant assholes.

[robbedvoter]

34. There are no fiscally conservative freepers - they only want to withhold money

from people they don't like (welfare mothers, other people's sick children, hurricane victims who are also black etc). If they&their buddies can piss the budget away - that's fine by them...Even if they don't get a dime, at least those they hate don't get any too - reason enough to be happy for some!

[Deep13]

36. Look how low it was when Carter was in office. n/t

[ihavenobias]

37. Astonishing Fact About Reagan

He borrowed more money than all other presidents before him COMBINED, from George Washington to Jimmy Carter.

It's amazing how revered he is by many to this day despite his incredibly irresponsible economic policy (that overwhemingly benefited the upper crust to the detriment of most others). Even worse, these people think he did a *brilliant* job on the economy.

[DFW]

38. Post deleted

Deleted due to poor image quality (rats!)

[Maestro]

39. I've seen these before but I am glad to have one that is updated.

Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:

What's that I hear, gagging? A freeper must be nearby.

[RavensChick]

41. I hear it too

They're choking on their words. I hope they wake up and realize like we do that their reveared leader is killing this nation!

[Loge23]

44. The freeks are on, uhh, other sites

They're looking for sites that substantiate their moral superiority.

[KoKo]

45. K&R!

[DrDan]

47. I am not sure your implication that fiscally conservative presidents

have caused financial chaos. junior is not a fiscal conservative. His overspending is causing us the grief right now.

A Republican/Democrat implication is more appropriate.

[calimary]

49. Um... "Democrat President"???

Shouldn't it be "Democratic President"?

"Democrat" is a NOUN. NOT AN ADJECTIVE.

[George II]

51. You beat me to the punch....

[calimary]

62. Welcome to DU!

It's gotta be confronted. EVERYWHERE.

[George II]

50. Nice chart but...

....it would have been better if it had read "Democrat-IC (!!!!) President" instead of the 1950s rightwing McCarthy term "Democrat President"

[HughMoran]

52. Idiot Republicans are too stupid to balance a checkbook

No wonder BushII and Reagan are the two stupidest presidents in history.

[BrklynLiberal]

53. An even 100 recs!!!

[whoneedstickets]

55. ALSO, that WWII debt was domestically held war bonds....

...the current debt is much more reliant on foreign debt holders. It's not just the amount, it's also the kind of debt that matters.

[Olney Blue]

56. So what say you, Freeper?

[southerncrone]

58. OUCH!! But our pocketbooks already knew this!