If you want a petty nominee, petty president using GOP tactics vote for Hillary. .

[undercoverduer]

This crap about Obama writing an essay in kindergarten about wanting to be president is just petty. Its a GOP style attack and it can backfire on Hillary. I'm not sure why but I feel like Hillary's digging into Obama's kindergarten essays just show how petty the Clinton camp can be. She wants to attack him and mock his politics of hope, yet she pulls this petty shit.

[maddiejoan]

1. and I feel --

--that a snark has been blown out of proportion by people with zero sense of humor.

[undercoverduer]

4. Well this is politics. . .you can't use snark then get offended when it allegedly. . .

. . .gets blown out of proportion. Use snark at your own risk.

[maddiejoan]

7. Who is offended?

Not me.

Don't see Hillary offended either.

Only people I see offended are Mr. Obama and his supporters.

:shrug:

[MethuenProgressive]

35. The OPer thinks Hillary's "Pretty"? Really? How nice of the OPer!

Many women 'of a certain age' always like to be thought of as pretty.
Thanks for the positive post!
:hug:

[MethuenProgressive]

68. Oh wait... not Pretty. Petty. Never mind!

:hi:

[cali]

2. The birds do it, the bees do it. Everyone's doing it.

They're all throwing shit around. Happens every 4 years. Clinton's dumb attack on Obama was meant as snark, but it was stupid nonetheless. There's nothing particularly GOP about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I Agree... That Is Weak Sauce

But if there is a pattern and practice of any candidate ducking key votes than that is a legitimate issue...

[Alamom]

5. Petty? Ignoring Harvard classmates, Chicago politicians and his brother-in-law,

all saying he intended to run for president, so you can attack Hillary is some petty shit.

[undercoverduer]

6. Looking at what someone did in kindergarten is typical GOP, Rove style petty shit. . .

. . .maybe if the Hillary camp stayed with the examples you provided she might win this argument, but resorting to kindergarten makes her look foolish, outright damned foolish.

[maddiejoan]

10. You're using the Kindergrten snark --

to avoid the issue that he really has had his eye on the Presidency since college.

the funny thing about it all is --who cares?

I have no problem with a candidate having a long history of Presidential ambition. In fact --I assume they all do.

[cali]

11. it was a joke. it fell flat, but honestly I don't see how

people couldn't recognize that it was snark.

[undercoverduer]

13. And this is politics. . .if you are going to use snark you deal with the fallout. . .

. . .if you throw a punch and it misses and the other guy swings back you just have to deal with it. Snark or not they gave the Obama camp an opening and so they just have to deal with it.

[havocmom]

23. "it was a joke"

America is sorta getting tired of that defense. AND a mass refusal to not buy something in the spin cycle is NOT any sort of lack of humor. More likely, it is indicative of a learning curve.

HRC needs to dump Penn.

[cali]

39. i don't presume to speak for America, I can only speak for myself

It was stupid, mean spirited snark. They're reaping what they sowed, but honestly how could anyone thing that it was serious?

[cuke]

43. Because Obama supporters will say anything

and they need an excuse to not discuss why Obama made such a petty and false accusation.

Obama claimed he hasn't been planning on running for as long as the others when he has been thinking about it his entire life. Obama supporters can't defend his lie, so they are trying to distract.

[undercoverduer]

49. As will Clinton supporters. . .

:kick:

[cuke]

52. The ole "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense

How original

[havocmom]

60. Advocating against foolish campaign tactics is not support for Obama

Too many assumptions and failure to learn that those assumptions are foolish.

Frankly, I am not really crazy about Obama as nominee either. But, I COULD be against such stupid and petty stunts as this latest from Penn and still favor HRC. Making assumptions could be making WRONG assumptions and that doesn't help your candidate win friends and influence people.

[havocmom]

61. Still looks like 'it was a joke' defense

Point is, it WAS a stupid, mean spirited snark AND that is not a good stunt for a campaign to pull. Gives much reason to doubt the judgment of the many people involved and the spinners they have on TV trying to pretend it wasn't a stupid, mean spirited snark.

They should just apologize and move on. But, no, the spinners persist and THAT is the telling point.

[JTFrog]

42. As funny as W looking for WMD's under the furniture. HILLarious. n/t

[bvar22]

73. John Kerry once made a joke that fell flat.

Hillary, full of self-righteous indignation, publicly demanded that John Kerry apologize.

Do you believe that Hillary should publicly apologize for her bad joke?



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Whisp]

75. and what exactly is wrong about wanting to run for President?

when did Hillary first entertainment that thought and put it into words? how far back can we go without it being some kind of a big jump-on negative thing?

what a really totally stupid thing for her to say and expect no one would notice the idiotcy of the statement.

[havocmom]

8. The spinners from Clinton campaign out on TV last night were pathetic

Pulling the stunts of talking over everyone else, lest anyone make an honest comment or ask a pointed question, spinning that if one is offended by bringing up elementary school essays, one is missing that they were just trying to "lighten up" the campaign rhetoric...

It all sounded so familiar.

The methods have been used to death in the past 7 years and I think America is sorta wising up to the smoke, mirrors, trying to win by framing every little topic until there is no substantive discussion.

It seems petty on the surface. Below that, it is just more bullying and it is pushing people away. The recent polls seem to bear that out.

[undercoverduer]

9. They gave the Obama camp an opening, and opening they right to exploit. . .

. . .Hillary needs to step her shit up with a month to go in Iowa.

[maddiejoan]

12. with all due respect to Mr. Obama --

--one of my turnoffs to him has always been he shows zero sense of humor.

The dude DOES need to lighten up.

[undercoverduer]

15. Oh he has a sense of humor and part of that sense of humor is watching your opponent. . .

. . .make a silly mistake and ridicule her for it. This Obama or his supporters have no sense of humor argument is pretty funny. . .its that sense of humor that helps the Obama camp exploit it.

[maddiejoan]

24. He'd have come off better

--if he had stopped with his intial reaction.

The "astronaut" joke was funny --claiming that this was a serious attack by Clinton makes him look like Frank Burns from M*A*S*H

[havocmom]

19. And do you feel that way about the voters who don't find it funny?

Sounds like the Limbaugh Defense.

[maddiejoan]

28. Good one.

Yes --I'm obviously Rush Limbaugh because some people didn't get the snark.

I guess you're offended because you either didn't get that it was a joke, or you chose not to get that it was a joke.

[undercoverduer]

32. Let's be honest, other than making the Clinton campaign look petty and silly. . .

. . .there is nothing wrong with this and its the role of Obama and his supporters to exploit the fact that the Clinton camp gave them an opening.

[maddiejoan]

37. Then you are willing to admit

--it's a joke, and that Obama is intentionally playing it up as an "attack" in order to mount an unwarranted attack of his own?

And you think this makes Obama look good how?

[undercoverduer]

40. Its politics and the overwhelming majority of voters do not understand inside baseball. . .

. . .the kindergarten issue is going to get play everywhere, the fact that she looks silly and petty will get play everywhere and the overwhelming majority of voters will not know or care who played it up. This has worked against and for every candidate, in this particular instance it hurts Hillary and helps Obama, but there will be others that go the other way.

[maddiejoan]

44. I think Obama stepped this up as an attack --

--is because it resonates.

The fact is Obama HAS wanted to be President for most of his life, despite his claims otherwise.

His mask came off and he's scrambling to put it back on.

Hillary may lose the battle on this remark, but she successfully unmasked Obama's sense of ambition and entitlement.

This might not help Hillary much, but it sure will hurt Obama more.

[undercoverduer]

47. You can think what you want, all you want. . .however this makes Hillary look petty and silly. . .

. . .and that is not a good thing with a month to go in Iowa.

[maddiejoan]

51. I hope Obama's camp keeps up this attack on Hillary.

I really do.

Because it's so obvious a snark from Hillary --that most voters will just be left with two conclusions.

1) Obama is a man who has always wanted to be President.
2) He has no sense of humor.

So by all means --Keep up this attack!

[undercoverduer]

56. You forget it plays into what many people believe about Hillary. . .

. . .this hurts Hillary more than it hurts Obama because it plays into the perception that she is willing to do anything to win.

[maddiejoan]

57. yeah --

I don't think so.

People have their minds made up about Hillary already.

They either like her a whole lot or don't like her a whole lot.

[havocmom]

62. BINGO

[cuke]

46. An Obama supporters approves of the lie

Here you implicitely admit that Obama is lying but it is OK because most people will not realize that Obama lied

[havocmom]

34. Oh, I get the joke. Joke is challangeing everyone who is 'offended'

One can understand a 'joke' very well and still not find it amusing in the slightest.

Pointing out that a tactic is what Rush uses is NOT calling them Rush. Guess anyone who is offended just didn't get MY joke

:rofl:

Damn, wish I didn't have to go to work. This is gonna be a fun ol day around here. I love to watch trucks spinning in the mud

[cuke]

14. Still no defense for Obama's baseless accusation

Obama makes the baseless claim that Clinton has been planning to run for president for much longer than he has and his supporters think Clinton is wrong for pointing out how Obama has been planning on it for his entire life.

Even Obama's relative says he's been thinking about it for a very long time

[undercoverduer]

16. Its politics. . .if Hillary wants to play the game she needs to realize her campaign's. . .

. . .over reaching effort to bring up what Barack wrote in kindergarten can distract people from whatever real issue her campaign was trying to raise.

[cuke]

41. Still no defense for Obama

He tells lies and you cant defend him

Oh, and it was Obama who raised this petty issue of how long the candidates have been planning to run

[undercoverduer]

45. Keep this kicked my dear friend cuke, keep it kicked. . .

. . .BTW its politics and it makes Hillary look foolish. You can demand a defense, but you won't get one. What the world is buzzing about is that Hillary is desperate and looking at Obama's kindergarten records. . .DESPERATE.

[cuke]

48. When did I demand a defense, or are you hallucinating

I've merely been pointing out how Obama supporters have no defense.

And desperate are the Dems who aren't leading in most states that have been polled. Hillary is in the lead.

[Tactical Progressive]

70. What you're seeing with Obama is right-wing pathology

here on the left.

Rightists think that whatever they do, whatever they do, is good simply by virtue of the fact that they're doing it. Whether it is lying to start a war that kills hundreds of thousands, or molesting children, or screaming accusations at someone else for getting a bj while they're hiding illegitimate children for a lifetime from years-long cheating affairs.

They don't care, which is kind of psychotic actually. They're good and you're bad, no matter how bad they are. And they project their sins and failures and on others as much as they can. Sound like any candidate from Illinois that you know of?

In this case Obama threw slime at Hillary, then lied about his own circumstance. Both mud and lies in one incident by Obama.


It's good that you're not afraid to point it out, cuke. In fact, we should all be pointing out how dishonest Obama truly is.

Obama's been lying since he was a little kid, the words of his own relatives and classmates prove it. And he's lying more now than ever.

[cuke]

17. Obama campaigns like a republican

He says that there is a SS crisis. He worries about SS because "most kids today think that SS won't be around when they retire". He associates with a homophobe in order to appeal to homophobic voters. He criticizes mandates (even though his plan has a mandate) because they FORCE people to buy insurance. And finally, he talks like a theocrat

All of those are what repukes do

[undercoverduer]

18. Clinton campaign desperation is so fucking fun to watch. . .HillaryHub must be working overtime. . .

. . .today. . .LOL

Keep cranking it out folks. . .I'm enjoying watching you guys today.

[havocmom]

20. Personally, I do feel sorta sorry for them

Maybe we should send coffee and donuts? They will need the extra energy.

[cuke]

21. Another Obama supporter who can't defend Obama's repuke tactics

Just more attacks. It's incredible how predictable Obama supporters are

[undercoverduer]

26. The Hillary Hub must be cranking, hopefully you will get some better material. . .

:kick:

[cuke]

30. Still no defense

Just attacks. How predictable

[undercoverduer]

33. Keep it up and keep this thread kicked. . .this is politics and you are making it fun. . .

. . .I'm not going to answer you, but I enjoy that you keep this thread kicked by demanding a defense. The overwhelming majority of people do not read down thread, yet they see the OP and as long as this OP stays kicked I'm happy.

[cuke]

50. I know you have no answers or defenses

Obama is behind in almost every state that has been polled. His supporters are getting desperate complaining about a joke in order to avoid admitting Obama is a serial liar

[undercoverduer]

53. Thanks for pushing this past 50 and putting that little flame thingy out there. . .

:kick:

[havocmom]

27. Sounds just a bit like 'yer with us or with the terraists'

Some HRC supporters need to tell Penn that crap isn't helping.

[undercoverduer]

29. The only problem is that Penn is telling HRC supporters what to say and how to respond.

:kick:

[cuke]

31. Obama supporters will say anythiing

[undercoverduer]

36. Just like the supporters of most other candidates. . .

:kick:

[havocmom]

38. You assume me and others are Obama supporters

:rofl:

'yer with us or with the terrarists' <--- just as silly

Nuances seem to be missed by too many.

[cuke]

54. You must be hallucinating

I haven't posted anything about you

"Nuances seem to be missed by too many"

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
:rofl:

[havocmom]

63. Projection is predictable

Thanks for playing

[Tactical Progressive]

67. He is a political sleaze, very much like Publicans

It was kind of hard to notice at first, how much he slimes other candidates and the Democratic party as a whole, and how dishonest he is, because at first you take him at his word, like most honest people are wont to do with new people. And you get caught up in his self-annointed 'new politics' and high-road talk. I kind of liked him at the beginning, like alot of people with the new guy.

Then things he says and does kind of make you go 'what just happened?' And you make excuses for him. And then again; and you make allowances. And a third time you cut him some slack. But it doesn't take long before you start seeing the real patterns of Obama's lack of character appearing everywhere. It's like a foundation that looks good at a distance, but then as you get closer you see it is all spider-webbed with cracks. And when you really look at it, it's ALL cracked.

Once you become aware of how he really is, all you see are the mud and the lies. I'm pretty much waiting for him not to lie now.

[bunnies]

22. It was all a big joke - per Mark Penn.

funny eh?

[undercoverduer]

25. Hysterical because it made the Clinton camp look like a bunch of clowns

:kick:

[Madam Mossfern]

55. "It was just a joke" are words

of bullies and abusers.
Just like "you're being overly sensitive".

[maddiejoan]

58. I'd submit

If Barack isn't able to handle a snarky jibe from Hillary, he isn't ready for Primetime yet.

[undercoverduer]

59. Oh he can handle it and he knows how to exploit to his advantage. . .

. . .the Hillary camp gave him the opening.

[maddiejoan]

64. Yes he handled it

--by removing even more of his mask and showing himself as a thug.

So much for the politics of Hope

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

Is he saying that about Hillary? Or is he using that at his morning affirmation in the bathroom mirror?

[Qutzupalotl]

71. I've seen a lot of HRC supporters saying it was a joke TODAY,

after Mark Penn said it, but I don't recall seeing any of them say it yesterday. I saw one or two who admitted it was an over-the-top, tone-deaf attack. But what I wonder is, if it's so obviously a joke, why didn't any of them say that yesterday?

[havocmom]

72. Curious, isn't it?

[Tactical Progressive]

65. Obama has been a documented liar going all the way back to kindergarten

and you're projecting Obama's dishonest GOP tactics onto Hillary?

That's just too funny!

Hillary shoots straight, and this time she hit Obama dead square on one of his lies. Not that that's much harder than hitting the side of a barn.

I think that people are waking up to what a truly dishonest person Obama really is. Most of us don't have the guile and dishonesty to lie until we reach adulthood.

Obama as a 'high-road' candidate is his biggest lie yet. Planned and executed by someone who's been doing it his whole life if we are to believe any of the people in his life, and we do.

[Cameron27]

66. This isn't any sillier than when

Obama used his childhood (4-10 years old) as foreign policy experience.

[IronLionZion]

69. For a moment there, I thought you wrote "pretty". nt

[OhioChick]

74. Hear, Hear!

:toast:

[donheld]

76. Anti-Hillary people have been petty beyond compare

They really should clean their own house before looking at Hillary.

[Beacool]

77. And if you want a nominee with very little experience

then vote for Obama and watch him lose against the Repugs in the general election!!!

[undercoverduer]

78. Tell me why you think he would lose. . .

. . .would you vote for him? Also if experience matters what is Giuliani's experience, what is Romney's expierence, what is Huckabee's experience?

[Beacool]

79. Because I honestly think that in a general election

he has two glaring disadvantages: his wafer thin experience at the national level and his race. There are still too many people in this country who will not vote for a black man. They might not like a woman either, but these types would be comforted by the thought that at least Bill would be there to advise the little woman (barf!). It's my honest opinion, if he manages to pull off the nomination, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong but only time will tell.

P.S. I think that he would do better in the future as people would have become accustomed to seeing him run for president and he would also have some additional years of national experience under his belt.

[undercoverduer]

80. Tell me how Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee have national experience?

The don't. As much as Rudy got after 9/11 his actual overblown impact was local.