NPR RADIO DEBATE THREAD

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

Maybe someone can provide the webcast info. Thanks

[youthere]

My mouth is actually watering.

Can't wait to hear kucinich and biden on Iran seeing how they both knew it was all bullshit.

[jenmito]

16. self-delete. wrong place

[monmouth]

1. Biden should shine on this subject matter. Yeah...

[youthere]

Considering he and Kuch both new it was all bullshit.

[cali]

2. Starting with Iran and the new NIE.

They'll also be talking about immigration and the lessons of Iraq.

[gateley]

3. I JUST now logged on -- 2:10pm - did I miss anything? Good to hear Gravel!

[youthere]

4. Hahaha...Intelligence community "drop kicked"Bush. WTG Gravel!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. Ha! I couldn't see the official thread because I'm ignoring the author

Can someone tell me who this thread is by so I can un-ignore them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3791722

Thanks

[Paulie]

8. Here

zulchzulu

[cali]

6. Biden: You cannot trust this president

Iran is not a nuclear threat to the United States. Who is going to trust us?

[youthere]

7. This works for me as an official thread..just change the title.

[Lucinda]

9. Are they all present?

:)

[youthere]

11. Richardson is not there...

I thought I saw in another thread he had a funeral? Is that right?

[Lucinda]

14. Thanks!

[stellanoir]

41. Yeah they said he was at a funeral for someone who died in the Korean War

who's remains had been exhumed at his behest.

Good on him.

It was the right thing to do as a Gov.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Richardson's at a funeral

[youthere]

13. Okay..I heard right then.

[Lucinda]

15. Thanks!

[Lucinda]

19. Can anyone listen and summarize at the same time? I can't listen. If not

i'll pick up a transcript later. :)

[youthere]

10. Good for Kucinich bringing up that he's been saying it since 2005.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. Everyone's playing hot potato on Iran

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. Clinton, Obama and Edwards all deperately rewriting their own words on Iran

Biden and Kucinich have nothing to apologize for

[jenmito]

30. Hillary's the only one who voted for Kyl-Lieberman.

[1corona4u]

63. Yes, but it should have been noted that Obama didn't even show up for the vote.

[jenmito]

97. It should also be noted that he immediately put out a statement AGAINST it.

[1corona4u]

104. Like I said... it's so easy for him to say that...

and just as easy for him to say he was against the war, when he wasn't even in the senate at the time, but gave ONE speech, at an anti-war rally in CHICAGO, and uses that as his point of reference to back up what he is saying. Bullshit.

[youthere]

18. No surprise there...top three jumping on each other allready.

[jenmito]

20. Hillary deflecting the question saying what Edwards and Obama would do.

Obama clearing that up now.

[monmouth]

22. Had to turn it off, Edwards so annoying. I'll depend on this thread.

[Cameron27]

43. lol

[youthere]

23. Kucinich is asserting himself. That's nice that he's getting heard.

[inthebrain]

25. He's really taking it to his oponents.

[cali]

24. Kucinich laying it out really well. n/t

[youthere]

26. He is..

I'm for Biden, but Dennis is doing well.

[jenmito]

27. Hillary AGAIN lumping herself in with other Dems.

[Andrea]

28. I'm VERY disappointed in the choice of subject area

Iran, good choice
China, good choice,
Immigration, WTF?

Immigration is not a serious problem.

Here's a serious problem:

Our constitution has been shredded.

I want to hear who will acknowledge it and what they will do about it. Dodd has a good position in this regard. Where is everyone else?

[youthere]

29. BUT

Immigration will be an issue in the GE. The pukes will make sure of it.

[Andrea]

42. They will, but it's a straw man

WE should make civil liberties, seperation of powers, checks and balances, seperation of church and state and the Bill of Rights THE big issues.

[youthere]

44. Agree 110%

[Steely_Dan]

54. I Somewhat Agree

I would rather hear about how we are going to restore our rights...wiretapping etc.

-P

[Andrea]

58. Exactly

If that doesn't happen, everything else is moot. None of the other issues will be in our control.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

31. Get ready for some wild spin from Obama on the IRG designation...

[jefferson_dem]

36. I'm sure he'll clarify how the one he voted for is different in *key* respects

from K/L.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

38. And there it is. Obama supprts the IRG designation, so he has to invent differences that don't exist

[youthere]

32. I like how this is being moderated.

[MadBadger]

33. Oh Gravel

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

34. Gravel comes out for Hezbollah and Hamas... never thought I'd see Kucinich outflanked on the left

[cali]

45. yeah, that was interesting.

I'm one of the few here is not a fan of Gravel.

[cali]

49. Biden says take the military option off the table

he's doing well. Question to Edwards about Israel and U.S. support being not even handed. Avoids the question like crazy. Won't even mention Israel.

[murbley40]

105. I.m another.

[youthere]

35. Go Biden. The vote to declare them terrorists was self-defeating. Right on.

[riqster]

37. How's the time allocation?

All the candidates getting equal time, or close?

[youthere]

39. Seems to be equal so far.

[jenmito]

40. Edwards calling out Hillary. Again. About the Kyl-Lieberman vote.

[Up2Late]

46. This is exactly why I've been boycotting ALL the TV Debates so far, all this is...

...AGAIN, is SOUND BITES for the so-call MSM "news!"

This is just ridiculous, everyone is only getting 30 seconds for their answers, I can't learn anything new in 30 second sound bites!

[jenmito]

47. Biden also calling out Hillary.

[jenmito]

48. I agree with Gravel on Israel. Why does mostly everyone stick up so strongly for Israel?

[Bumblebee]

51. maybe because the pres of Iran is threatening to wipe it out?

While I agree that Israel is often supported way too blindly, hateful remarks that it should be wiped out should still be treated as offensive, don't you think?

[jenmito]

55. No they're not...

that's our interpretation. And are you saying WE have to fight Israel's "preemptive battles"? They have enough nukes to wipe out all of Iran.

[Bumblebee]

69. Interpretation? He repeatedly said that; no interpretation needed.

Let's not whitewash what cannot be whitewashed while still opposing what needs to be opposed. I am as liberal as they get, but Chavez is still a wannabe dictator and often a buffoon, even if I enjoy his digs at Bush; and Iran is still no Canada... even if attacking it is deadly wrong.

[jenmito]

71. Ahmadinejad never said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map.

And are you saying WE have to fight Israel's "preemptive battles"? They have enough nukes to wipe out all of Iran.

[Bumblebee]

Yes, and he also never said that there are no gays in Iran.

Did I say anything about "preemptive battles"? Or does my criticism of Iran automatically equate in your mind with that? Do we need to be so bastardly black and white?

[jenmito]

96. He DID say there were no gay people in Iran. He did NOT say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map.

And why can't you just answer the question? You can even take out the word "preemptive": And are you saying WE have to fight Israel's "preemptive battles"? They have enough nukes to wipe out all of Iran.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

106. and here I thought that falsehood was put to rest.

apparently not.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

50. Any anti-war voter who doesn't support Biden or Kucinich needs to rethink the term "anti-war"

It's comical listening to the top tier trying to pass around blame for their essentially equivalent positions.

(On Edit: I'm not intentionally dissing Dodd and Richardson.)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

53. What will be the Biden Doctorine? "Clarity"

[youthere]

52. Biden doctrine: Clarity. Prevention not Preemption.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

56. I agree with his stance, but wish it were phrased differently

The term "prevention" harkens back to the justifiable war arguments. (Pre-emptive war is just. Preventive war is not.)

[cali]

57. he was excellent. I wish he hadn't

voted for the IWR. I just won't vote for a candidate in the primaries who voted for it.

[MadBadger]

60. Do you know who you are supporting?

[cali]

68. Not really. I like Obama

I may vote for Kucinich to send a message- though that will only be effective if lots of other people vote for him. It really doesn't matter. By the time I vote in March, it'll probably be settled.

[Up2Late]

59. Anyone here know how long this one is? 1 hour, 1 1/2 hours? Is this going to preempt Fresh Air?

This is dull, dull, DULL!!! Sorry, did I mention that this is boring?:boring:

[cali]

79. this isn't at all dull to me. It's actually substantive instead of MSM

bullshit, and it goes until 4, so I guess it will preempt Fresh Air. And I'm glad.

[murbley40]

107. 2hrs . I don't think it is dull.

It is better than most of the other debates.

[Steely_Dan]

61. I'm A Biden Supporter...

but I really like what Dennis is saying...he is doing well.

-Paige

[Tellurian]

92. Yep, DK dropkicked Edwards on China.. Edwards voted for it!

[riqster]

62. Is there an audience? If so, how are they reacting? nt

[Cameron27]

64. It's radio, and I don't hear an audience.

[cali]

65. no audience and that is a blessed relief. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

66. No audience, thank god. Very cicilized... sitting around a table

[monmouth]

67. Thought I heard the announcer say "for the next couple of hours"...

[Lucinda]

77. I believe advertised as two hours

[youthere]

70. Biden and Dodd: Enforce the laws already!

[youthere]

72. LOL! Dodd says his daughter will get toys from Iowa!

[Cameron27]

73. And then Obama and Edwards agree with him.

Joe, Joe, Joe I agree with what Joe said lol.

[1corona4u]

74. Yep....

[jenmito]

76. And they're all disagreeing with Hillary when she keeps trying to lump herself in with them.

[Cameron27]

80. Hillary didn't speak about China yet.

[jenmito]

82. I'm talking about many of the statements on Iran.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

75. The Chinese toy menace is silly... smacks of freedom fries

Whatever our geo-strategic problems are vis-a-vis China, they wouldn't be fixed if they used different paint, so toy paint is not really a central issue.

[youthere]

78. OOH! Snap Dennis! "Buy American or Bye Bye America"Good one!

[jillan]

81. Hillary sounds stressed.

[jenmito]

84. I like how they played a sound bite from Lieberman about the bill SHE supported.

[ilovesunshine]

91. The one that Obama did a no vote on? nt

[Cameron27]

93. Yes, the one Obama didn't vote on.

And the one he didn't talk about until after all the votes were cast, and he didn't bring it up at the Presidential debate that followed it.

[jenmito]

94. Yes. The one he spoke out strongly against. He was in NH but put out a statement right away.

[Cameron27]

95. He didn't speak out about Kyl-Lieberman

before the votes were cast.

[1corona4u]

98. I know, and that should have been noted...

[Cameron27]

100. That was the very first thing that turned me off

about Obama. I didn't like the way he played the whole thing; from not voting, not even talking about it beforehand, too then going on the attack. It looked like a cheap shot to me.

[1corona4u]

103. Yes, it's so easy for him to say that...

and just as easy for him to say he was against the war, when he wasn't even in the senate at the time, but gave ONE speech, at an anti-war rally in CHICAGO, and uses that as his point of reference to back up what he is saying. Bullshit.

[jenmito]

99. Doesn't matter. He spoke out against it from NH. He knew it wouldn't be a close vote.

[ilovesunshine]

102. Another Gobama pass. He knew it wouldn't be a close vote??

Wow!

[gateley]

83. Hillary's right about the admini 'de-fanging' the commission. I've heard there are

like one or two people who check the toys!

[gateley]

90. Went to Dodd's site to see if his Debate Clock was up - I didn't see it... nt

[Clintonista2]

85. anybody know why richardson isn't at this debate? n/t.

[youthere]

87. Funeral.

[ilovesunshine]

88. Funeral. nt

[Lucinda]

89. somone upthread said hes at a funeral

[Up2Late]

108. Yes, I do. I don't know if you remember this, but Bill Richardson was one of the people who...

...was working on recovering the remains of U.S. Service Members from Korean War, oh sorry, Korean "conflict."

Well, one more solders remains (it might be more than one, I'm not sure) have just been returned and he was attending the internment of the soldiers remains.:patriot:

Here's the Press Release:

<http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/newsroom/pressreleases?id=0386>

For Immediate Release: 12/04/2007

Contact: Tom Reynolds
505.681.1832 | [e-mail]
Richardson to Attend Military Memorial Service

Remains of former MIA to receive full military honors

DES MOINES, IA-- New Mexico Governor and Democratic Presidential candidate Bill Richardson will not be participating in today's NPR debate. Instead, he will attend a memorial service for Corporal Clem R. Boody, a U.S. MIA whose remains Richardson helped secure and return from North Korea in April 2007.

Richardson also was instrumental in helping secure the Purple Heart Medal Boody was awarded posthumously in 1954, but which was never received by the family.

Corporal Boody's memorial service will be held today, Tuesday, Dec. 4 at 1:30 p.m., at the Reiff Funeral Home, in Independence, IA, followed by a graveside service at Wilson Cemetery, with full military honors by the Iowa National Guard.

Below is a media release distributed by the Iowa National Guard:

RELEASED BY Lt. Col. Greg Hapgood
PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER
OFFICE: [phone]
CELL: [phone]
HOME: [phone]

CAMP DODGE
JOHNSTON, IOWA
Nov. 30, 2007
8:50 A.M.

IOWAN RETURNS HOME 57 YEARS LATER
FOLLOWING DISCOVERY OF REMAINS IN NORTH KOREA

More than 50 years after an early Korean War battle near the Chinese border, Cpl. Clem R. Boody is returning home to Iowa.

Boody, a 24-year old wireman and Independence, Iowa native serving with Headquarters Company, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Army, was last seen after his unit established a defensive line at Unsan, North Korea, just north of Camel's Head on the Kuryong River. Two Communist Chinese divisions attacked the 1st Cavalry Division on Nov. 1, 1950, forcing the collapse of the U.S. lines and withdrawal of the 1st Cavalry forces. Boody was reported missing on Nov. 2, 1950 and was one of the more than 350 U.S. servicemen missing in action after the battle.

While Boody was officially declared deceased on Dec. 31, 1953 and a memorial marker placed in the family plot, his mother never gave up hope that someday her boy would "come home."

Through the efforts of the U.S. Department of Defense's Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office (DPMO), along with the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, excavation was initiated near Unsan in November 2006 and six boxes of U.S. servicemembers' remains were repatriated from Korea to the United States in April 2007. Scientists from Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC) and the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory used mitochondrial DNA, dental comparisons, and circumstantial evidence in the identification process. Boody's surviving familymembers were recently notified of his identification.

Boody was born Aug. 28, 1926 in Otterville, Iowa to Frederick and Dessie (King) Boody. He was one of six children born to the couple, with an older half-brother making up the rest of the Boody family, all of whom are now deceased. They included half-brother, Gene Rousseau Boody; Mary Ellen Boody-Van Nevelle; Charles Rueben Boody; Frank Frederick Boody; Effie Evelyn Boody; and George Henry "Hank" Boody. He is survived and welcomed home by his nieces and nephews.

Boody grew up in rural Independence, helping on his parents' farm. He shared an easy, ready smile and "wicked" sense of humor. He enjoyed outdoor sports such as hunting and fishing, and fast cars.

He enlisted in the U.S. Army on Oct. 28, 1944 and was assigned to the 1st Calvary Division, serving in the Philippines and Pacific theater during World War II. Boody was honorably discharged Nov. 15, 1945 and returned home to Independence. He reenlisted in 1948-1949 and shipped out for Korea with the same enthusiasm and commitment shown in his prior service to his country, joking to his widowed mother and younger brother that he'd be "Right back."

Visitation will be held at Reiff Funeral Home, 216 3rd Ave. SE, Independence, Iowa on Monday, Dec. 3 at 2 p.m. The memorial service will be held Tuesday, Dec. 4 at 1:30 p.m., also at the Reiff Funeral Home, followed by a graveside service at Wilson Cemetery, Independence with full military honors by the Iowa National Guard. Guests are invited to join the procession to the graveside service immediately following the memorial service. The public is welcome to attend the visitation, memorial service and graveside ceremony.

Memorial contributions may be directed to the Cpl. Clem Boody Memorial Fund, State Bank of Toledo, P.O. Box 309, Toledo, Iowa 52342. Proceeds will be used to assist wounded U.S. servicemembers.

- Media Information for Visitation and Funeral -

The family of Cpl. Clem Booty asks that their privacy and the dignity of Clem's memorial and graveside services be respected. Media are invited to attend the memorial service and graveside ceremony on Tuesday, Dec. 4; points of contact are Lt. Col. Greg Hapgood and 1st Sgt. Duff McFadden (see contact information below). Media may shoot photos and video at the memorial and graveside services, but without flash or lights. Media availability with the family of Cpl. Clem Boody will follow the graveside service at the Reiff Funeral Home community room.

For questions concerning this release as well as additional information about the Boody services, please contact Lt. Col. Greg Hapgood, Iowa National Guard Public Affairs Officer, by email at [e-mail] or [phone] (office), [phone] (cell), or [phone] (home). You may also contact 1st Sgt. Duff E. McFadden, at [phone] (office), [phone] (cell), [phone] (home), or by e-mail at [e-mail]

<http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/newsroom/pressreleases?id=0386>

:patriot:

[Clintonista2]

109. thanks for posting, I didn't know that

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

86. Since they're pausing... DEBATE THREAD 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3792154

[jenmito]

101. Did you know Edwards' father worked in a mill?

:eyes: