NPR RADIO DEBATE THREAD 3 (and All Things Considered post-debate)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

thread 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3792154&mesg_id=3792154
thread 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3791795&mesg_id=3791795

[Eurobabe]

1. firsties?

[Eurobabe]

5. Hillary on Immigration

immigration was not an issue before because Clinton created 22M jobs.

Will you crack down on employers? YES.

The debate is extreme, and unrealistic to round up people and deport them.

[BOSSHOG]

2. Outstanding debate format

I hope NPR does this during the presidential season. Two people, no audience, no stupid questions and lots of times to address issues.

[jillan]

6. Even tho I am missing the visual, it is interesting to listen to the voices only.

You can hear stress, frustration, and confidence.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. No cameras allowed. I've been wondering if they're in sweats and slippers.

[youthere]

16. Imagine if they were all wearing spongebob t-shirts.

[jenmito]

101. Funny. They showed a tiny clip of it on MSNBC.

[Paulie]

125. Welcome to the world before Television

:)

[lazyriver]

17. I like the format too but don't think immigration should have been

a topic in a Democratic debate. There are so many other issues more important to most Democrats.

[laureloak]

96. Illegal immigration is the most important issue to me.

That's the only issue that will cause me NOT to vote Democratic.

[lazyriver]

121. Interesting. It's pretty far down on my list and on the lists of

most Democrats I know. You put this issue above ALL other issues? May I respectfully ask why?

[Cameron27]

3. K&R

Thanks again.

[Dawgs]

4. Good answer by Hillary on immigration.

..until she started talking about 'our presidency' in the nineties.

[youthere]

7. I agree. Hillary gave a good immigration answer.

[Cameron27]

10. This isn't going to be an easy issue for

whoever makes it to the GE.

[K Gardner]

8. Hillary does have a point about the "tone" being different today, more contentious

than it was years ago, lots of thanks to Lou Dobbs, et al. Good point too about the "roundups"

[youthere]

11. She's dead on. It's more contentious because of the economy.

[cali]

20. really, that vile toad Dobbs

deserves a lot of blame for the xenophobic bullshit floating around.

[Windy]

and he never offers a solution!! He just complains and criticizes all efforts at a reasoned approach

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. Excellent point from HC: Immigration issue is merely a symptom of economic insecurity

Nobody worried about it in the 1990s when there were plenty of jobs.

[Cameron27]

14. Yes

[BeyondGeography]

22. Points for the analysis, but the 90's are about as relevant as the 50's today

If I were her, I'd just stop mentioning them. She's smart enough and has enough plans in her head to talk about tomorrow.

[DBoon]

128. The same was true in the 1930s

from Wikipedia (with my bolds):

The Mexican Repatriation was a largely forced migration mainly taking place between 1929 and 1937, when an estimated 500,000 Mexicans and Mexican Americans, of which approximately 250,000 of whom had been born in the United States, were deported or "voluntarily repatriated" to Mexico. Approximately 60% of the people deported were children who were born in America and others who, while of Mexican descent, were legal citizens. Many of these people returned to the United States when the country experienced labor shortages during World War II.

During the Great Depression, Mexicans were viewed as a burden on social services such as relief aid and usurpers of American jobs. This sentiment coupled with a eugenicist concept of "undesirable" races to bring about the deportations. The Immigration and Naturalization Service targeted Mexicans because of "the proximity of the Mexican border, the physical distinctiveness of mestizos, and easily identifiable barrios."

These actions were authorized by President Herbert Hoover and targeted areas with large Hispanic populations, mostly in California, Texas and Michigan. Although President Franklin Roosevelt ended federal support for the program when he took office, many state and local governments continued with their efforts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

We've been there before

[Eurobabe]

12. Obama, talking about comprehensive reform

2 yrs. ago worked on package with significant majority in Senate. President has not changed the tone.

[Eurobabe]

15. Dodd: extreme conservatives want to use this as a wedge issue

[Cameron27]

19. They will.

[polichick]

25. He also pointed out that we can't make fools of those coming legally...

...by giving amnesty to those breaking the law. Two solid points by Dodd.

[jillan]

18. Go Dodd!

[Bluzmann57]

28. I like Dodd

I intend to caucus for him. Let's hope he's viable.

[Bluzmann57]

21. This is sort of entertaining

No studio audience, real journalists asking questions, all candidates are able to answer questions at length. It also seems to me that they all keep saying "Chris is right", or "I agree with what Joe said". So maybe Dodd and Biden are better candidates than a lot of people think.

[jillan]

It's like that at every debate. Biden's camp even made a video of all the other candidates saying

Joe's right - it's hilarious!

[Cameron27]

23. H1-B visas

[jillan]

24. Answer the question Edwards!

[Cameron27]

29. No kidding

[K Gardner]

30. Did he ever answer it??

[K Gardner]

26. I find myself ::gasp:: listening attentively ! OMG, Americans CAN listen ! n/t

[Cameron27]

34. No,

he went on to better college education, but never answered what to do before that happens.

[Eurobabe]

27. Edwards on expanding H1B Visas

Why aren't Americans doing this job? 2 pieces to this: Americans should be doing this job, they will be when I am President. If Americans cannot fill these jobs then America is doing a poor job educating it's potential workers: science and math.

[K Gardner]

31. Biden just said "living crap".. I love Biden !

[youthere]

36. He also said "S.O.B". Love him!

[1corona4u]

39. LOL...I know, he's so upfront, and human...

[cali]

45. great rresponse by Biden

now question by xenophobic woman complaining about spanish being used by government offices. Good answer by Obama. Good answer by Clinton.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

32. Job Training is a terrible issue

I hated it from Bill Clinton, and I still hate it.

The toilets don't magically clean themselves after everyone gets high-tech training.

People should be able to live on doing honest menial labor! It is respectable work that should be paid better.

[Ninga]

42. It is NOT a terrible issue for an auto worker, or small job shop worker who has lost his job.

Context, is important.

[K Gardner]

49. Very true, good point.. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

64. Agreed, in terms of national competetiveness, but not as a blanket solution to low wages

which boils down to "get a better job" which cannot work for a whole society.

But, certainly, it is good to have an educated work-force as the nature of some jobs changes.

As you said, context is important.

[youthere]

33. Biden: Sometimes humanitarian need trumps immigration law.

[Bluzmann57]

35. Biden the blunt

He just told it like it is about violence against immigrant women.

[K Gardner]

41. That would've been his medievil name, I guess :-) n/t

[jillan]

44. He does not mince words. Gets right to the point.

[1corona4u]

47. Exactly.

[Tellurian]

37. When will Edwards answer a question directly..

jeesus, if I hear one more time about his poor upbringing and the small town bs, I'm gonna :puke:

[1corona4u]

51. Like the 12th of.....NEVER....LOL

[butterfly77]

82. You hit it right on the head...

I was sick of hearing it in the last campaign. He reminds me of Romney they ramble on and say what they think will get them applause. They are really talking loud but saying nothing.

[Tellurian]

92. And it's always..."Let me finish, just a minute, ...gimme a minute here.."

Always playing to the JURY! :nuke:

[jillan]

38. Humanitarian needs trumps immigration laws! Go Joe!

[BeyondGeography]

40. Obama standing up for Spanish-only speakers

Good for him.

[Dawgs]

43. Yes. He explained that well.

[Cameron27]

46. Clinton did good.

[Eurobabe]

48. Taking questions from listeners: Voicemail messages in Spanish/English

Will you remove the question of which language we speak when you call a govt. office?

Obama - no, there are many Spanish speaking Americans.

Clinton - we need to have English as a common unifying language, but there are many citizens who speak lang. other trhan English. We DO expect people who want to become legal in the USA to speak English, but they don't have to give up their own native language.

Kucinich - encourage our children should learn languages in school.

[jillan]

50. Great answer Dennis - about docs being in German - woot!

[jillan]

I love the discourse between Dodd and Biden! They compliment each other so well.

[Eurobabe]

52. Biden, where is the fear here? re: Languages

I missed the rest typing :(

[Steely_Dan]

61. Obama Agreed with Biden n/t

[Cameron27]

53. Biden's cool...

he always sounds like he's going to say Gimme a break lol.

[Dawgs]

54. Was that Biden that told Dodd to stop bragging about speaking Spanish?

[youthere]

57. Yes.

[Cameron27]

58. Yes lol.

[Eurobabe]

55. Dodd, languages should be a source of pride in our country

basically: why are people so afraid of it?

[youthere]

59. EXACTLY!!!

[Cameron27]

63. Exactly

That was a great statement.

[K Gardner]

56. I love ALL these people.. we should be SO proud of all of them n/t

[K Gardner]

60. Tough question to get hit with.. good 1st answer by Hillary.

[BeyondGeography]

62. Great question on what do you NOT know the answer to

An honest answer by Hilly, but I thought she was ready to lead on Day 1!

[Cameron27]

66. Come on,

no matter how ready anyone is to lead, there's always going to be unknowns.

[BeyondGeography]

78. A little fun poking, that's all

;)

[Cameron27]

85. I know

that's why I didn't yell. :+

[polichick]

65. Great answer by Gravel...

About the people being the answer ~ not the leaders!

[K Gardner]

67. Oh yeah, GO Dennis ! Impeachment !

[youthere]

72. Did you catch that sigh by the moderator?

[Ninga]

68. Edwards - restore the power of the democracy - is the most difficult.

[Eurobabe]

69. Waht do you think the toughest choice you haven't made up your mind about yet?

Clinton: Stabilizing Iran to China

Gravel: Americans are the solution, not the leaders

Obama: Climate Change, drastic steps to correct

Dodd: education issues

Biden: Forerign Policy, how do you rationalize trade policies

Edwards: Who I would consider as my VP (cheesey) Then take power away from corporate interests

Kucinich: Taking Bush/Darth to gallows for getting us into a war, and new developments with Iran.

[1corona4u]

75. DK didn't follow that question...as usual...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

70. Biden won Iran. Hillary did surprisingly well on Immigration. I don't know who won the China segment...

[Dawgs]

71. Obama is right. Greatest problem facing America is climate change.

[MadBadger]

77. It was a perfect answer

[Eurobabe]

73. Clinton we are heading into turbulent waters in economy

[Cameron27]

76. Oh boy are we ever.

[Dawgs]

74. Hillary think's she has the answer to everything as she refuses to answer the question.

[Cameron27]

80. What are you talking about,

she answered and was specific about the economy.

[1corona4u]

81. And so does Obama...

I don't know what it is about him, but when he says "when I am president", he doesn't say it as if he's hoping it is him, he says it as if it's a given. Everyone else says it with a measure of hope, and dignity, not arrogance.

[MadBadger]

84. Buuuulllshit

That is a load of BS.

[1corona4u]

87. No, it's not.

Sorry, it's a fact.

Welcome to my list. You're in good company!

[jefferson_dem]

106. Bullshit. Link or slink...

Will you threaten to put me on "your list" too? ... :scared:

[jenmito]

123. He claimed to put ME on "his list" for saying other candidates would also strike within Pakistan

if Musharraf didn't cooperate. :rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

127. Think's he's DilldO'Reilly ... or Colbert

[jenmito]

129. I LOVE Colbert's "on notice" list.

But I couldn't care less about corona's list.

[Eurobabe]

79. Debate is over, but All Things Considered will expand coverage

on the answers and analyze.

[Eurobabe]

83. Question for Clinton: how long before the US can get its fiscal house in order?

It takes a Clinton to clean up after a BUSH. :puke:

[BeyondGeography]

88. Follow up: Reporter says she's hearing a lot of people say two families shouldn't

control the White House. Hillary uses her standard too-many-Bushes line and it works, but the intersting thing to me is the reporter's observation.

[DaLittle Kitty]

130. I think 24-28 YEARS of EIther Clinton or Bush is tooo MUCH!@

Have to vehemently DISAGREE w/ your contention, however I do agree w/ the PUKING though.

Newspapers were ALL ABOUT Edwards taking Hillary to task on Iran... Check Edwards policies and YouTube answers on Immigration... Just search John Edwards Immigration. Edwards is just fine and is VERY specific... Crack down on Employers for hiring illegals, micro-lending to improve the circumstances of those who live in the countries from which people emigrate to th U.S ISO a better life (ILLEGALLY), Strengthen Labor laws, Penalize companies who offshore jobs.

:bounce:Remember the ATTACK on the American MIDDLE CLASS involves far more than just illegal immigrants coming here and being willing to be exploited and work for LESS... This IS about American companies OFF-SHORING good paying MANUFACTURING jobs to LOW WAGE countries to enhance their bottom line.

Watch Edwards on Youtube on these issues... He is very specific and his policies are what the middle class needs. AND.... Above all He CAN BE TRUSTED to do what he says he is going to do!:D

[Eurobabe]

86. Michele Norris: Prudent or appropriate for 2 families to

control White House for 2 decades.

Hil: Bush never should have gotten to the White House. LOL.

[MadBadger]

89. Wait, I thought the debate was over

[Eurobabe]

90. Gravel talking about changing the tax system to promote a savings culture

vs. consuming culture

[lazyriver]

93. I have to say that was a pretty good answer.

[Armstead]

91. STILL GOING ON AT NPR.org

streaming continuation of debate at npr.org

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

link:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16843353

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

99. .

[Tellurian]

109. Yep...it would be nice if Edwards took responsibility for the struggling America he's talking about.

He just said, half the bankruptcies in America are because of High Medical Bill. Yet, Edwards voted to disallow any leniency in these cases..What an effen two-faced turd Edwards is!

[Eurobabe]

94. Obama, we cannot achieve balanced budget in one term

looking at a bunch of things, ending the war, long term fixing healthcare system, medicare/medicaid

[gateley]

97. He's right. I think the candidates are sometimes forced into promising unrealistic

solutions because we're demanding they fix it NOW even though getting to this point has been a process.

[Eurobabe]

95. Dodd, healthcare issues, pro-growth Dem

eliminate tax breaks for Corps to leave country. Trade policies, fair.

[Eurobabe]

98. Biden: end war in Iraq, get rid of Bush tax cuts

rational world oil policy (speculation re: wars) Americans will make sacrifices to achieve these goals.

[Armstead]

100. Edwards -- Getting rid of structural deficiencies in economy

[Eurobabe]

102. Edwards: lift people out of poverty and grow middle class

How do we get rid of structual division in country: universal healthcare, aggressive effort to get off oil, living wage, rights of unions, housing policy that works. Make it easier for kids to go to college

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

103. Edwards says two terms to balance budget

[BeyondGeography]

104. DK: Hillary can be on my ticket

since it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush.

LOL

[Steely_Dan]

105. Nice Try Dennis

I hear crickets

[Steely_Dan]

114. By The Way...

I wasn't being mean to Dennis...I just thought his attempt at humor didn't go over very well...thus, the crickets.

-Paige

[Eurobabe]

107. Dennis: Hillary you should be on my ticket

because you said it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush.

Not for profit healthcare, clean fuels

[jenmito]

108. Dodd put out a statement about Hillary and NIE: "It's easy to say 'fool me once,

shame on George Bush,' but when SHE'S been fooled twice, shame on her."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

110. DK offers Hillary the VP. Didn't he learn his lesson with Paul?

[Paulie]

111. But she has a D after her name

So it's all good. :)

[Cameron27]

113. You're comparing Clinton with Ron Paul?????

[Paulie]

117. No, I'm making a comment about DK and choices for VP

Ron had an R, Hillary has a D. This letter designation was one of the point of contention on the previous point of DK making VP choices. This time, it's a D, so it's all good. People should be happy, he's back in the fold! :D

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

118. As perceived by Kucinich supporters? Sure. (Not to me)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

112. Photos of the debate set-up (does Gravel smell bad?)

[Eurobabe]

115. New thread, All Things Considered critiquing?

[Eurobabe]

116. Clinton looks like a fool for voting for Kyl/Lieberman

NPR critiquing the questions/clashes.

[Lucinda]

119. Have you read K/L?

Just curious...

[Eurobabe]

122. Just reporting the tone of what was said, that's all

They were talking about Biden clashing with Clinton.

[Lucinda]

124. Thanks for the clarification.

:)

[Eurobabe]

126. No problemo.

:hi:

[Eurobabe]

120. New thread here, not sure how long ATC is talking about debate?

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