Hillary and sexism

[rinsd]

Poll question: Hillary and sexism

Now there are alot of charges and counter charges about sexism and the Hillary campaign.

Some charges are overblown but some are very real.

I am going to ask a simple question.

When referencing an article about Bill criticizing media coverage of Hillary, is the statement "Hillary hides behind her husband's suit coat" as the headline sexist?

[Madam Mossfern]

1. No, I don't think it's sexist.

Have any other spouses complained about how the press was dealing with their spouses or do they campaign in a more positive manner?

[rinsd]

3. Elizabeth Edwards has complianed about her husband's media ccoverage several times.

And used to chat quite frequently with the press.

Michelle Obama has addressed issues like Obama's popularity with African americans.

Elizabeth Kucinich is perhaps the most outspoken as she does alot of surrogate speaking for Dennis.

[Madam Mossfern]

12. So if I said that Edwards is relying on his wife's advocacy,

would that be a sexist statement? Or better yet, that he is hiding behind her cardigan?

[rinsd]

22. I'm not sure you could say any of the candidates are relying on their spouses.

All of the spouses are involved, some more than others.

Relying on implies dependence and I think each of the candidates have made their own marks in this campaign even Hillary whose spouse casts the longest shadow.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. More importantly, Hillary is the only one..

...who has come out and tired to make a point about just how gosh darn strong she was. This is not the action of a "Strong Woman".

[Whisp]

34. exactly, if anything

it's Bill that is the sexist one thinkin' his wife needs his protection. I think that was a big mistake on his part and Hillary should advise him thanks but no thanks. Hillary is a strong person and can stand on her own, there is no reason big daddy has to come to her 'rescue' in this way.

[mdmc]

2. God Bless Ralph Wiggum

HRC owes it all to her hubby. She wouldn't have ever made it in NYS without him:kick:

[cali]

4. Or she would have been a Senator years before

Are you suggesting that she's not as capable as Maria Cantwell or any of the other women in the Senate?

[mdmc]

6. That is exactly what I am suggesting my friend

If it wasn't for the Big Dog, she wouldn't have ever been elected from NYS. Perhaps she could have won as some AU H2O conservative in Arkansas or Illinois or where ever she had some roots to call her own. But she would have never gotten on the NYS ballot if it wasn't for her being married to the Big Dog.

HRC is far more capable then most of the US Senators, regardless of sex. She is the real deal and will be the next president. No other Senator can boast such a claim.

[hedgehog]

17. Coulda, woulda, shoulda

I might have made a great career for myself, but I dropped out to be a full time mother. I'm good at what I do now, but I have no illusions that I would have the job I have without my husband's influence. Senator Clinton chose a life path that brought her to prominence as Bill Clinton's wife. Maybe she pushed him to get him to the Presidency, but at best she was the power behind the throne. Pretending that if she had appeared on the scene in New York in 1992 with a resume that included the Rose Law firm, the Children's Defense Fund, campaign manager, White House staff position etc. but no previous political office she would have been taken seriously as a candidate for Senator is ludicrous. It was the fact that she was the former First Lady that made her election possible.

[cali]

27. of course that's true.

however prior to marrying Clinton she was on a track that could easily have led to her being in elective office. she made her choices, and she's taken advantage of her assets- and being married to Clinton is obviously a big assest. Are you suggesting there's anything wrong with that?

[hedgehog]

39. Nothing wrong with that except for her supporters telling the rest

of us that she got to where she is on her own.

[mdmc]

41. Maria Cantwell and Olympia Snow got into the Senate on their own

HRC got there through her husbands white house.:kick:

[mdmc]

44. kick for HRC getting to where she is on bigdogs coattails!

[Madam Mossfern]

8. Is that a sexist statement?

Is it?
You used the word "hubby".

[bunnies]

5. I bent my wookie.

:rofl:

Wait. Do I even have a wookie? :shrug:

[rinsd]

7. I have a rule about doing polls.

A Ralph Wiggum quote must be a choice.

[bunnies]

9. Its brilliant I tell ya.

Brilliant! :toast:

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Not if it an apt discription of what Hillary is doing.

Which it is.

[sufrommich]

14. Hillary went into hiding?

I could have swore I heard her at the debate today.She can speak for herself and is "hiding"behind nobody.

[Joe the Revelator]

23. I'm very sorry that analogies go over your head.

Really, I am.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Why does Team Hillary feel the need to make these dopey little polls?

Referencing other threads? It's clearly a violation of DU rules, not to mention they come off as pathetic and whiney.

[rinsd]

13. Cockroaches hate the light.

[sufrommich]

15. LOL!

:toast:

[Joe the Revelator]

19. You have a pretty low sense of humor

nt

[Madam Mossfern]

16. What does that mean? n/t

n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Don't get to full of yourself.

If I cared about the light I wouldn't have created the thread in question on a public message board.

[mtnsnake]

20. OUCH

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Is it a rule that Team Hillary has to support one anothers lame insults...

that really make no sense giving the fact I posted the orginal thread on a public forum?

[mtnsnake]

29. Yikes, Wolsh, I think some of your own comrades are voting against you in this poll

by the looks of the results.

Not a good day when you come up on the short end in a Hillary poll. :evilgrin:

[cali]

21. oh, poor little you. feeling picked on? go hide behind your mommie's

skirt.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. So using your logic, what you just said is sexist

Hypocritical much?

[cali]

28. bwahaha. I'm mocking you

and actually it's not sexist. I'm treating you as a child. Does that make me "childist"?

[Joe the Revelator]

30. So if I had said that Hillary was hiding behind her big Daddy's suit coat...

...in a mocking tone, you wouldn't have taken any exception to that?

[cali]

31. you can't even tell the difference between my mocking you

and the sexist crap you pull. it's just pathetic. She's running for president. He came out today and said he thinks the press coverage of her is lousy. It's really no different than when Elizabeth Edwards was the one defending JE against Ann Coulter and other detractors. Did you accuse him of hiding behind her skirt? No? Why not. It's simply sexist to accuse Hillary of hiding behind her husband.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. Once again, I'm going to ask you, do you think your reactionary squawking really endears Hillary

to voters? I ask, because its the same bullshit whining that has gotten Hillary into this mess she's in the early states.

Second of all, I have CLEARLY addressed why this isn't the same as Michelle or Elizabeth near the top of this thread. Go read it.

Thirdly, you make a sexist (using your hairbrained logic) comment towards me and then hide behind the guise of "mocking" me. That's absurd.

[rinsd]

33. Ok

So because Hillary said she was a strong woman she cannot have her spouse defend her but men such as Edwards or Obama, who don't have to tout their strength as much being men, can have their spouses defend them?

Is that the sum of your argument?

[Madam Mossfern]

36. I didn't think that Hillary saying that she was a strong woman

was emphasizing her gender. Maybe she should have said she was a strong person instead. If Obama says he's a strong man, I don't take that as a statement of his gender. Am I making myself clear...I'm confusing myself here, but I know what I mean.

[rinsd]

37. Did you get confused?

Because I was talking to Wolsh.

[Joe the Revelator]

38. A good point was made however....

Hillary saying she is strong has nothing to do with her being a woman. She needs to ACT strong and not have others go out to fight her battles for her. She has been doing this the entire campaign, not only with Bill, but with other cronies.

[Madam Mossfern]

40. If you are looking for a private conversation

perhaps you should e-mail. Does this forum have a PM function?

[rinsd]

42. Not looking for a private coversation.

I just figured you were confused as to which handle you were using since you continued Wolsh's commentary.

[annie1]

43. considering most people chose they find it sexist...

isn't it worth exploring?

[Bucky]

35. I think it was a weak take off on "hiding behind his mama's apron"

If there's any sexism to be mined from such a trivial statement, it's still not worth worrying about. I assume from the OP that you've run out of real things to talk about.