So Kerry did the Imus show this morning? I guess the Dems think its ok to do the Imus show. . .

[wndycty]

. . .I'm very disappointed in this. Its time to revisit this thread I posted during the McClurkin controversy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3660320

[babylonsister]

1. Doesn't that hate in your heart get old? I'd think it'd be hard to

carry grudges for so long.

When can you 'let it go'?

[joeybee12]

3. Gee, when a bigot insults someone, you place the blame on

the victim...nice rationale.

[babylonsister]

10. I didn't 'blame' anyone. You need help with your reading skills. nt

[Jai4WKC08]

83. Maybe you should brush up on your writing skills

When you accuse the OP of having "hate in his heart" and say that's the reason for his anger, that's pretty much laying the blame on him. It's certainly excusing Kerry and Imus.

[blm]

19. When a bigot commits to reforming to make a positive difference, you want him shut down?

.

[mtnsnake]

21. You can forgive that racist, Imus, all you want. I'm not going to

[babylonsister]

22. No one asked you to, so carry on. nt

[mtnsnake]

23. Does anyone ever ask you? nt

[sabbat hunter]

2. many democrats/progressives

have appeared on the Imus in the morning show in the past, and I encourage them to appear in the future.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. He is a misogynist. I have not been able to stomach that show

for more than a few minutes (that is how long it takes him to demean women). So, he is not racist, but just makes racist statements. He is not sexist, just makes sexist statements. Sounds like he is just an ass who does not deserve air time.

[karynnj]

27. If you listened to the show, he said absolutely nothing bad when the Senator was there

As to women, he spoke well of both hiw own wife's and THK's on healthcare. Kerry spoke of his trip to South Africa, where he was looking into what was being done on AIDS - he and Frist wrote the legislation that greatly increased the money spent.

The entire conversation - on both sides was more intelligent than the garbage on any of the cable shows.

[mtnsnake]

36. I remember another time when he was nice to Kerry's face

only to turn around and stab Kerry in the back not too long after that.

[karynnj]

50. True, but if he never came on

Imus would simply have attacked him always. The media was not a friend to the Democrats in 2000 and even less so in 2004. Kerry was able to reach people directly when he was on - and I heard any time when Kerry didn't completely win when he was on. Give me a list of alternative shows where that happened. Kerry did very well on MTP, Hardball and Blitzer, because he is very sharp - but in all of those shows there was a lot of tension from the "gotcha" nature of the questions - even as he answered them well.

I have heard really great interviews with New England Cable Network and a few Boston area shows. I loved many of the NPR interviews that I heard around the time of the Kerrys' book. But these do not have a huge viewership.

[mtnsnake]

57. Agreed

I loved many of the NPR interviews that I heard around the time of the Kerrys' book. But these do not have a huge viewership.

Even if they did have a huge viewership, it often gets completely washed out by the magnitude and madness of rightwing hate radio. The viewership there seems to thrive, unfortunately.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

85. His misogyny will probably be worse now

He'll have to rein in the overt racism, because that's unacceptable to most people now. However, he can still insult and degrade women until the cows come home 'cuz it's just boys having fun and you bitches need to lighten up. :grr:

[graywarrior]

5. Kerry AND Imus in one thread!

:popcorn:

[babylonsister]

11. Ha! Care to share?

:rofl: :popcorn:

[Cha]

48. Popcorn for

breakfast?!

[terisan]

6. Imus, Matthews, Scarborough, et al Not much difference among them. It is the white male media club

The miracle would be if Kerry or any of the senators got together and rescinded the media concentration they brought about.

Kerry's sucking up to people like Midnight Cowboy Imus and his craven little sidekick is one of the reasons I was not enthusiastic about his candidacy.

[flpoljunkie]

7. That bothered me a lot, too--and of course, his vote for the IWR both perplexed and angered me.

[Carolina]

44. exactly my feelings

Yet when asked about Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 movie by lamestream media, Kerry bristled saying he hadn't seen it and didn't intend to see it.

I will never forget his disdainful expression... distancing himself from MM while cozying up to Imus. Sure Imus is an equal opportunity basher but what bothered/bothers me is how the repukes never distance themselves from Rush, O'Leilly, Hannity, etc. and in fact credited Rush with helping them win in the entire congress and several governorships in 1994 while Dems run from MM, MoveOn, etc.

Sheesh

[blm]

52. Post 49 would be helpful info to you. BTW - Much of what Moore learned about

the relationships between Bush family, Bin Ladens, House of Saud and Dubai came from the YEARS OF WORK John Kerry put into uncovering and investigating IranContra and BCCI.

Nice of Moore - and other scholars - to acknowledge that if it HADN'T been for Kerry there would have BEEN NO investigations into IranContra and BCCI at all - meaning no exposure of Poppy Bush's involvements or their global agenda, and Poppy would have stayed president in 93, and this nation would likely be in its 10th year as a fascist state.

That's all. But nice of Moore and other scholars to notice, eh?

[karynnj]

28. Kerry did write legislation to halt media consolidation

In 2004, how many mass media outlets were there that let Kerry speak - not many. Imus was a jerk, but Kerry, while on could very easily control the conversation.

[blm]

49. You show how much you DON'T KNOW about media and why they targeted Kerry.

Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"
Commission Decision May Violate Laws Protecting Small Businesses; Kerry to File Resolution of Disapproval
Monday, June 2, 2003

WASHINGTON - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.

Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."

BTW - Kerry was also the Senator who crafted and submitted the first Public financing of Campaigns legislation in 1997 - Clean Money, Clean Elections. Wellstone added to it, too. Five senators voted FOR it. Several states have now adapted it for their own elections.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Now there's a guy I don't miss at all

(and it's not Kerry.)

[gaiilonfong]

9. Imus helped Kerry lose the election too!

I like Kerry but he is a suck-up loser when it comes to Imus and that ilk.
Doesn't suprize me that he went on, I mus is an abomination, and his hateful wife too.

[saltpoint]

12. If you don't like a given program you don't have to watch it.

John Kerry is real, real good on his feet and can handle just about any venue.

String up the hammock, fix some iced tea, relax. Don't create pointless tension where none need be.

[wndycty]

14. If you don't like a program you can also be concerned when someone you support. . .

. . .does that program. Lets not forget why Imus was kicked off the air.

[saltpoint]

16. I don't watch the man. I followed the story. I'm not seeing a crisis here.

[babylonsister]

15. Ahh, again, OC is

the voice of reason. Thanks, and as usual, you're correct. :pals:

[terisan]

72. Those airwaves are public property, rented to corporations. If Imus is squatting on prime radio real

estate , we the owners have every right to be pissed off re his racism and misogyny.

A corrupt government may have been giving away what belongs to the people but
many of us don't want to sell our birthright for a mess of pottage.

Let him squat on cable or some low voltage station. Ham radio might do-his fans can buy sets.

[saltpoint]

80. Hi, terisan. True, it's public air, but the contract cash is private dough.

We can't overturn capitalism, no matter how much we'd prefer to challenge its nearly unlimited banalities.

Of which Imus is often one.

At the same time, pressure can be brought to bear using the same revenue avenue in the form of boycotts. An economic squeeze on the sponsors will turn network heads much faster than you or I calling Imus a bigot.

He's not the only bigot out there, just one of the most famous.

[MaineDem]

13. I'm sorry Kerry, Richardson, Dodd all enabled Imus

They're giving him legitimacy which he doesn't deserve.

At least as far as I see it.

[karynnj]

51. He has said that he is sorry repeatedly and

did as much as he could to make amends.

Imus gives the Democrats airtime which is beneficial.

[blm]

17. Imus has committed to making a permanent, positive difference in the world on

race issues, so why SHOULDN'T any Democrat take that on-air opportunity and help hold him to that promise?

Are you committed to the idea that NO person can take what was most negative about them and turn it around to make a difference?

Imus has helped raise many millions of dollars for injured troops and was one of the first center-right radio hosts to turn on Bush and Cheney. If he HADN'T turned on Bush and Cheney, he would have kept his show the same way Limbaugh and Beck do.

[wndycty]

18. Let see how long that last on WABC-AM one of the worst stationswhen it comes to tolerance

:kick:

[blm]

20. Not the point, though. Imus helped wake up some on the right to Bush-Cheney's

deceits, and he just might be able to wake up those who used bigoted language so casually as a form of humor to re-assess.

I have only seen positive changes in overall media attitude across the race spectrum since that incident.

[a kennedy]

24. Won't watch slimus.

:puke:

[mtnsnake]

25. I'm glad Hillary always refused to grace his bigoted show. Hopefully the rest won't go on either.

I'm also glad that Imus hates the Clintons. Coming from him, that speaks volumes!

I just hope Kerry manhandled Imus when he went on.

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Yup, so what's the problem? Millions of actual people...

listen to Imus so it's a great outlet to get the message to a wider audience. They can't go on Hannity or Pigboy, so Imus is big time radio for them.

Should they only appear on Air America and preach to a dozen or so listeners already in the choir?

[sampsonblk]

29. I like Imus. Imus is cool.-nt

[mtnsnake]

30. What do you like about him?

Is it the way he talked nicely to Kerry to his face early in 2004, only to turn on him shortly afterward and stab him in the back?

Is it the way he made so many bigoted remarks all through the years until it finally caught up with him?

Is it the drool that drips down the side of his ugly face as he speaks that makes him so cool?

The guy is a fucking dweeb who's tried to be cool all his life and has failed miserably in that department.

[sampsonblk]

32. No, he's funny and had great quests

The show was excellent - which is why MSNBC kept him for so long.

He had everyone on his show in the morning and it was much more informative than CSPAN. It was a time for all the reporters to let their hair down and talk about what they really thought. Great stuff. Funny too.

When he made fun of Kerry, it was hilarious. Especially about the "botched joke" thing. I wonder if that video is posted on the web.

[CyberPieHole]

55. The "nappy-headed" joke was funny? That was funny to you?

:eyes:

[sampsonblk]

69. It was a joke

I didn't find it all that funny. But it was still a joke.

[MaineDem]

76. A joke???

That almost makes it worse.

[PresidentObama]

31. Good. I'm glad Kerry did. Glad Imus is back on air.

Don Imus is put through the meat grinder for an offensive comment, but yet Al Sharpton is allowed to do whatever he wants--whenever he wants. And no one says anything!!

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Isn't America great? Make racists comments...apologize and get right back on the air.

Even dried up old racists buffoons!

[mtnsnake]

34. Exactly my sentiments, and he's still the same racist Republican he always was

And to boot, the lousy racist ends up getting more millions in his pocket for all his "troubles". Only in Republican America is trash like Imus's endorsed, promoted, and rewarded with millions of dollars.

Imus is still the same bigot he always was. He was bigoted long before his racist comments that got him fired, and he's still a racist Republican jerkoff. He'll never change inside.

[PresidentObama]

35. Yes, the same Republican who voted for Kerry and calls Cheney a fat hog.

Republican, indeed.

</sarcasm>

[sabbat hunter]

40. actually he isnt a republican

he is an independent, not registered to a party. He supports many libertarian beliefs, along with many liberal ones.

He is a strong supporter of right to choose, stem cell research, etc.

[mtnsnake]

45. Big deal. So he's an Independent w/the heart of a neocon & he hates Democrats anyway

It only took me a few trips to his bigoted show to realize Imus is just one more pathetic tool of the rightwing neocon agenda, despite his feeble attempts to appear as being "independent". The guy is a Class A intolerant asshole.

[MaineDem]

37. I feel as you do

I don't care whom he voted for. He's still a racist, sexist man who should be awarded with a new show.

[ProSense]

38. Sometimes they apologize

and run for president.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. Oh that's just nice.

Comparing Hillary Clinton to Imus. :eyes:

[ProSense]

41. Not a comparison, a point. To be clear,

he's a shock jock and she's a Senator/Democratic presidential candidate.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. That's a very weak point.

One little comment by Senator Clinton compared to Imus' daily rants against all races. Give me a break.

[ProSense]

43. Not at all, unless you believe

shock jocks should be held to a higher standard than Dems for president.

[mtnsnake]

46. To be clear, it' just another of your feeble attempts to change the course of a thread

and make it all about Hillary in any negative way possible by reaching into the archives for any little piece of dirt you can dig up on her.

Sorry, but like someone else already said, there is simply no comparison. If your little piece wasn't about Hillary, you wouldn't have even bothered.

[ProSense]

47. No sorry, I like this thread

faux outrage and all!

[blm]

53. Imus promised to use his time to make a positive difference in race issues -

why SHOULDN'T Democrats help him stay commited to that goal?

Imagine if David Brock apologized for his role in helping the RW takeover of DC in the 90s and everyone pushed him away and said get lost they don't need his commitment to make a positive change......and so he proceeded to get lost. Redemption followed by positive actions works and can bring others along with it.

[mtnsnake]

54. c'mon now, blm. Do you really give a rats ass about Imus or are you just worried about Kerry's rep?

for going on that jerkoff's show all the time?

[blm]

56. I care that Imus was one of the few voices dumping on Bush and Cheney in a way that

helped bring Bush's numbers down with the center-right crowd.

You really don't GET that my war is with BFEE and the fascist agenda of the last 4 decades that has been closing off our government's accountability to the citizens, and that Kerry just HAPPENS to be one of the few heroes in that decades-long war. If Henry Gonzalez was alive and in the congress, I'd be watching his back, too. BushInc and the DC powerstructure NEEDS lawmakers like Kerry to go away and use every media opportunity they have to make it happen.

I already know you don't mind the protection of secrecy and privilege, and don't seem to care that YOUR disinterest in open government, also just happens to effect those of us who DO care. Spend some time on corruption threads and tap into the National Security Archives - take your responsibility as a CITIZEN seriously.

[mtnsnake]

58. Imus started getting on Bush only when it became vogue for most neocons to do so

so don't be so quick to give him a medal for "dumping on Bush and Cheney" when he did far more damage to our side than theirs. Or did you forget about how Imus blamed Kerry for everything that went wrong?

[blm]

65. I don't give him a medal, but I sure as shit know he wouldn't have been fired if

Bush and Cheney didn't WANT him fired.

[terisan]

73. Imus bragged about voting for Bush in 2000. nt

[blm]

82. Yes - and when more info came out on Iraq he changed his mind. Bill Clinton supported

Bush on all his terrorism and Iraq war decisions for longer than Imus did, and did so PUBLICALLY throughout his summer/2004 book tour.

Bill and Hillary ONLY adjusted their support leftward AFTER Joe Lieberman lost his primary race in 2006.

[mtnsnake]

86. Are you still upset because Bill Clinton refused to give you his autograph?

or something like that?

[blm]

87. If you think that then you don't know

what I look like or the world I lived in for most of my adult life.

[sandnsea]

61. Screw people out of billions, file bankruptcy, change your corporate name

and go right back into business. The American way.

That's why I don't understand when we turn against each other. Any time a regular person can get a break in this country, I'm for it.

[sandnsea]

59. I love JK and I'm disgusted

But apparently Imus' wife and Theresa work together on environmental health issues, so it is slightly understandable. Also, if Hillary is the one who really ran Imus off the air, then I can understand JK's loyalty too.

[politicasista]

62. I am too

Because this thread brings out the bashers and haters who say that that he is "sucking up to him" or condoning what he did, when he is against everything that Old Pimp is for (aka making sexist, racist jokes) and personally insulting people on the air.

I am sorry, but I disagree.

[ChiciB1]

60. Oh, They'll All Be Back Anyway... Dodd Welcomed Him Back Too!

A little smack on the hand isn't reality, it's just a little smack on the hand.

IMUS took some heat, not the worst person in the world, but NOT my cup of tea either, even BEFORE the flak!! Guess he has some sort of charisma, don't really know!

Hey, Limpballs keeps getting raises! Got a million dollars after he went to Rehab!! Too bad it doesn't work for the rest of us out here!

[politicasista]

63. I knew it wouldn't be long before Kerry was attacked here for doing Imus

Go figure.

[MaineDem]

77. It's not so much that it was Kerry

I object to any of our Democratic leaders doing Imus.

I like John Kerry. I don't like his behavior of appearing the show.

[Beausoir]

64. Imus is a racist pig. Anyone who assists him in his "comeback" should be ashamed.

[CyberPieHole]

66. agreed. Just because he apologized does not wipe the slate clean....

Imus was a racist pig long before he got caught. He should have been off the air a long time before he got the boot. I am pissed that anyone outside of the Klan would go on his show. Shame on all of them.

[incapsulated]

67. Amen.

Fuck Kerry.

[ProSense]

68. I'm not ashamed that anyone goes on Imus because I don't believe he is a "racist pig." Now

Giuliani, he's a racist pig! Imus probably has more support in NY than that lying SOB! Too bad the media didn't pummel Giuliani the minute he announced as a candidate for president the way they did a Imus when it was convenient for them to do so!

Why is Imus back? He won his case against them for firing him when a suspension would have sufficed, especially since the Rutgers team accepted his apology.

I'm glad Kerry did this!

[sampsonblk]

70. Did you say that about Richard Pryor?

Almost all his jokes were racial. And he was appreciated by blacks and whites alike. Pryor told a lot of gay jokes too.

And don't forget George Carlin, who told the funniest black joke I ever heard.

[incapsulated]

71. Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

Jesus.

[sampsonblk]

74. Not at all-nt

[Rowdyboy]

75. Giving this creep legitimacy is sickening....It lowers my respect for Kerry, Richardson and

anyone else who appears on his shitty program.

[karynnj]

78. Consider that DU had threads backing Whoopi Goldberg

when she trashed Kerry because he would not say that her jokes were ok at a fund raiser - Kerry did not condemn her, but she apparently thought he should go out on a limb to defend her.

Do you think that Kerry and Richardson should ostracize everyone who makes a racial or sexist joke? Or what about those who go beyond a sexist joke into inappropriate sexual behavior. Shouldn't we hold the office holders to higher behavior. I didn't hear Richardson, but there was nothing in anything Kerry said that discredits him in the least from this mornings show.

[Rowdyboy]

81. DU had threads bashing Bob Hope the day he died.....so what?

DU has many hate filled posters. I merely state that I despise Imus and I hated him long before his trashy "nappy headed ho" filth. He disrespects women, minorities and most Democrats (except for his buddies like Lieberman etal). He uses his podium to preach against progressives and I had great hopes that he would finally be forced to STFU.

Sadly, in America, bug bucks rule.

You ask if I would have Kerry and Richardson ostracize everyone who makes a racist or sexist joke, or someone who engages in inappropriate sexual behavior. Simple answer: yes. Democrats give these freaks legitimacy by appearing on their programs. Boycott Imus, Fox, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Carlson and anyone else who use their power and microphones to denigrate women, minorities and gays.

If you lie down with dogs, your going to get fleas. Kerry should know this by now. He made a dumb move here but thats certainly nothing new where he's concerned.

[LittleClarkie]

79. Eh, he went on Imus' show before the controversy

When Imus had already said many things that didn't garner the same attention. He's just being consistent, I suppose.

[Dr Fate]

84. Never cared for Imus- but I like Kerry despite an occasional disagrement w/ him.

I would rather him not go on that show, but as I said, I occasionaly disagree with him...