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CTLawGuy
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:28 PM Original message |
Poll question: Who/what has done more to harm gay rights? |
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is silly. |
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JI7
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. neither is Oprah |
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closeupready
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Oh, I see, was that some sort of dichotomy she brought up? |
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CTLawGuy
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. not silly at all |
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closeupready
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Honestly, I'm more disturbed about McClurkin because |
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm really sorry. I agree with you, but can we please call "gay rights" "equal rights" - ? |
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cboy4
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. Could you explain why you're asking this question? |
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CTLawGuy
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm putting the Donnie McClurkin non-issue in perspective |
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cboy4
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Obama aside, to you really not think McClurkin is a poison |
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CTLawGuy
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. it's a non-issue in terms of determining Obama's stance on gay rights |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Oh, so Obama's sense of decency and principle |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I don't think you should be any more worried than for any other candidate |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Yes, it makes him a bigoted homophobe. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. becuase CA is not stuck in 19th century |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. So Obama is just pandering to the lowest common Denomator? |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Yes |
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Kucinich4America
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
84. No, they just put their kids on stage to sing for them |
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Progress And Change
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. nixon was pro-civil rights but still used racism to win votes in 1968 |
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JackBeck
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Since McClurkin is popular in SC |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I wouldn't personally touch him with a 10 foot pole |
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JackBeck
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
78. Yet you said it's a non issue in determining a candidate's stance on civil rights. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #78 |
92. well he did say he disagreed wholeheartedly with McClurkin's stance |
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readmoreoften
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. That may be...but I doubt it. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 02:06 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. That may be true too |
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Mon Dec-10-07 04:06 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Thanks for trying to understand. You might be interested in doing some research into |
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cuke
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. This whole thread was started just to give cover to Obama |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. No |
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Progress And Change
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. the perspective is that it showed obama puts politics ahead of GLBT rights |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. that's what I think is true |
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Progress And Change
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Even Reagan wasn't personally hostile to minorities but he used race to win votes |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Remember Obama has also scolded the black community about homophobia |
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Progress And Change
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Reagan also publicly denounced racism. So did Nixon. So did Bush |
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Kucinich4America
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Reagan believed that AIDS was "punishment from God" |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
36. I find you frankly revolting. Your lack of concern for equal rights for all Americans |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. I find your insults revolting |
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Progress And Change
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. what obama thinks about glbt is not in question |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. lol. Yea, I know. I was just testing to see how honest |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Only to bigots like you is the McClurkin bigotry a non-issue. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. lame |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. No - what is lame is people like you putting threads like this up |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. well I'm sorry you are so insulted |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Actual legislation, actual law, that stands in the way of true equality |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. that's a very good point |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #65 |
76. That's been explained ad nauseum |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #76 |
90. and that's fine |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Very well put! |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #58 |
81. Yes, of course. It's a no-brainer. |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
42. I'm glad you consider people shitting on GLBTs a non-issue |
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
117. Calling it a non issue is part of the problem in the first place. |
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cloudythescribbler
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Tue Dec-11-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
141. I agree w/Darboy on McLurkin, but this was a snarky way to make the point |
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PurityOfEssence
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. The Donnie McClurkin affair was a rabble-rousing, race-baiting, bible-thumping bit of bigotry. |
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Maven
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Mon Dec-10-07 04:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
106. I'm bookmarking this thread |
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IndianaGreen
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
12. Bill Clinton has done the most harm to LGBTs |
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MonkeyFunk
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Sun Dec-09-07 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
14. Neither's had much, if any, effect |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. each married gay couple in Mass |
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MonkeyFunk
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. OK |
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cuke
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Which is why DOMA hasn't had much effect |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Yea, but there's a difference between much effect and |
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cuke
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I agree there |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Well she certainly didn't drag her campaign into the gutter |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. she supported DOMA at one time |
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cuke
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I do not think that is true |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. here you go |
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cuke
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Mon Dec-10-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
107. That doesn't sound like support for DOMA to me |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. The key is whether she supports it now. I trust her |
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cuke
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Clinton has an outstanding record on gay rights |
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MonkeyFunk
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. I admitted you were right on the federal benefits thing |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #60 |
73. I'm sure you have been |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. "I'm sure you have been." |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. It doesn't matter whose been fighting longer. |
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Maven
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Mon Dec-10-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
104. You're wrong there. |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. How do you know DOMA has never affected a "single |
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ruggerson
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
20. Are you gay and if so are you in a state sanctioned DP, CU or a marriage? |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. nope |
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ruggerson
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. But you also don't have the perspective |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
71. Another excellent post - you put that quite well |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
94. you are correct in that |
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Kucinich4America
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Mon Dec-10-07 04:43 AM Response to Reply #43 |
103. Do you really believe that DOMA and "Don't Ask Don't Tell" were good things for the GLBT community |
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Mon Dec-10-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #103 |
126. There was one big, huge difference |
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Maven
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Mon Dec-10-07 04:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
105. Excellent post. |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
30. Definately McClurkin |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. really? |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. And if the case went to the Supreme Court, she should win. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. you think so |
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ruggerson
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Apparently you aren't aware that Kennedy wrote the majority opinion |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. No I wasn't |
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Not necessarily |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #77 |
91. I think scalia would prefer rational basis |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. IF they read the constitution strictly, then yes. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
93. that is mostly right |
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loveangelc
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
51. I cant believe |
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readmoreoften
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
53. SHUT UP YOU FUCKING QUEERS!!!!!!! |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Oh, SNAP |
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readmoreoften
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Man, Buff, how old is this getting? |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. It seems now that some of the older ones have returned from the woodwork |
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loveangelc
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. the only difference is |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. well he's not even campaigning anymore |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Read post #43 |
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readmoreoften
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. This isn't about MCCLURKIN. It's about BARACK OBAMA. |
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Mon Dec-10-07 02:08 AM Response to Reply #72 |
98. 'everyone has a problem because a singer no one's heard wants to campaign with Obama' |
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Mon Dec-10-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
121. Damn right! |
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Sandaasu
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
66. I WOULD vote DOMA... |
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readmoreoften
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Wha-wha-what??? /nt |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
85. You would vote DOMA?? DOMA already exists so there's |
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Sandaasu
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I mean in this poll. Sorry about the confusion. |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Oh duh, now your post makes sense. |
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Ahhhh. Tee hee. Silly me. |
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Bluebear
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
95. Another heterosexual telling uppity gays to STFU, this time in the form of a lame poll. |
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Mon Dec-10-07 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
99. Why are people voting McClurkin? |
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Alexander
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
129. The Hillarybots want us to think Obama is hated here. |
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ShadowLiberal
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Mon Dec-10-07 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
100. defense of marriage act can be appealed/declared unconstitutional, but not something someone wrote |
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Mon Dec-10-07 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
101. I've been accused of creating lame polls in the past |
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Mon Dec-10-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
108. If it were not for right-wing bigots like McClurkin, we wouldn't have DOMA. nt |
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
109. Speaking in relevance to time, it's a no brainier. |
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
110. So one guy singing at one concert in a small town rally is more damage than DOMA? |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Nice - dumbass dishonest dickhead.... |
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zulchzulu
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. The problem is the utter dishonesty from those complaining about McClurkin |
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Solon
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Well shit, I find it ironic that, while you complain about dishonesty, you become dishonest... |
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dbackjon
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. No - you do not have to be LGBT to support their rights |
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cboy4
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Mon Dec-10-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. "Am I LGBT? No." ............. |
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zulchzulu
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Mon Dec-10-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. So you have to be gay to work for LGBT rights? |
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ruggerson
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Mon Dec-10-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. zulchzulu do me a favor |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #110 |
133. Speaking as one dumb, dishonest fuckhead |
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Mon Dec-10-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
112. I can't vote, McCloset is an advocate for child abuse, and DOMA is atrocious... |
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Mon Dec-10-07 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
116. Outside of DU and a few other lefty sites, no one knows about McClurkin |
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Mon Dec-10-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
119. Does Obama have any openly gay or lesbian campaign workers? |
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galledgoblin
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Mon Dec-10-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
122. joke? |
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LostinVA
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Mon Dec-10-07 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
123. Senator Clinton was neither Senator nor President re: DOMA |
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LostinVA
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Mon Dec-10-07 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
124. New Jersey recognizes same sex marriages from other states and other countries |
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dsc
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Mon Dec-10-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
127. My answer |
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Alexander
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
128. FACT: McClurkin spoke at the DNC in 1992 on behalf of Bill Clinton. |
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dsc
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. FACT |
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Alexander
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. FACT: DOMA was much more destructive to gay rights than an obscure preacher... |
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dsc
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Clinton hired more gays and lesbians than any previous President |
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Alexander
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. And Obama has an unblemished legislative record on gay rights. |
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dsc
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Tue Dec-11-07 06:04 AM Response to Reply #135 |
140. It's the lying stupid |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Obscure preacher? |
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Alexander
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Wow, ONE Gold CD. A whole 0.3% of the American population buys his music. |
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NMMNG
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Mon Dec-10-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. I'm aware of what a Gold record is |
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. Deleted sub-thread |
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Mon Dec-10-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
138. It's like picking between diarrhea and constipation. |
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