Keith said something interesting tonite - and I'd like Obama supporters to respond-

[jillan]

He said that while everyone was talking about the Oprah/Obama event - no one was talking about what Obama said during those events.

Not flaming here, just curious what your response is to that, because I think there was some truth to his comment.
But I could be wrong since I don't follow Obama like you do.

Hillary supporters - let the Obama supporters respond - ok? thx :)

[Catherine Vincent]

1. He probably said a lot, it's just that Ms. Winfrey upstaged him?

:shrug:

[tekisui]

2. In SC. Obama talked about Universal Healthcare,

Affordable Education, Troops out of Iraq within 16 months(of his presidency, I assume), Prison Reform, Working to Eliminate Poverty, Yearly Increases in the Minimum Wage. He told his story in the context of a still strengthening civil rights movement.

He talked to the people gathered, telling us that we have to power to change America. He basically said that he is the change candidate. He said that lobbyist won't write the laws, because they don't own him. The only group that an Obama Presidency would serve is the American People.

He sounded confident and comfortable. As I said before, I was very impressed. Going to SC he was probably my 4th choice. He looked and sounded like a winner, and a President I could be proud of. I like him a lot more, now. He is my 2nd choice after Kucinich.

He has broad appeal. When I talk to conservatives or independents, they don't like Hillary or Edwards. They all seem to respect Obama. They trust him, and see him as uncorrupted(at least not yet). If Obama is the Nominee I will proudly support and lend his cause any help I can.

[babylonsister]

26. Thanks so much for paring that down for me/us. I'm

guilty of listening to/watching CSPAN but with half an ear because I've watched the debates, as many speeches as I can, etc. I'm guilty of wanting to hear what Oprah had to say because I'd never heard her support someone.
I saw the first speech in Iowa, but saw pics of SC. WOW!

And Obama really appeals to me. Hope!

[Adelante]

3. The important thing to me is 60,000 voters heard him say what he said

The press does what it does best, go for the celebrity.

[JI7]

14. exactly, the media NEVER reports on any of the issues

if they weren't reporting on Oprah they would be talking about polls, horse races etc.

never about the issues.

[silverojo]

44. What saddened me is that he didn't say anything

Much of his speech was spent telling us how he was the "third-best speaker" there, next to his wife and Oprah. After informing us that he's lucky not to be running against his wife, because she'd rather tell the president what to do than BE the president, quite a bit of time was spent kissing Oprah's ass.

Then he started blathering on about hope and change, without being the least bit specific about how HE would bring us that hope and change. (For example, John Edwards says he'll cut off health insurance for the President and Congress if they don't pass universal health care for the rest of us. He's even announced the specific date that will take place. Now, that's specific.)

Obama's "speech" really reminded me of the old stereotype of politicians saying a lot of words without really saying anything. He thinks he's Martin Luther King, but he comes off about as commanding and inspiring as Martin Short.

Lest you think I'm Obama-bashing, I'm not--I was honestly disappointed. If Edwards can't win, I'd definitely prefer Obama over HRC. But when he wasted a golden opportunity such as this, I live in ever-increasing fear that there will be another Clinton president.

[Adelante]

71. I know the feeling about stump speeches

I thought if I heard "I am the son of a mill worker" one more time in 2004, I'd die.

[Beacool]

4. According to the Times it was his regular stump speech. n/t

[jenmito]

8. He varied his speech from event to event...

did you watch them?

[KennedyGuy]

24. yeah..he brings his southern accent to the southern ones.

gets a little preachy even...

[jenmito]

29. As you know, I meant WHAT he said. Not how he said it. It's natural. You think he's faking it?

[1corona4u]

62. Funny, I noticed Oprah did the same thing...accent that is..

pronunciation of particular words...

[Apollo11]

75. I'm sure it can't be as bad as Hillary's "black" southern accent

[ClarkUSA]

5. KO is a Clintonian talking point mouthpiece along with Craig Crawford; they both LOVE Hillary

He's had stars in his eyes ever since he got interviews with both Clintons and has been snarky about Obama throughout the campaign season. The
news reports and stories I've seen and read run counter to his blanket statement.

[BluegrassDem]

11. Olbermann is a Hillary shill

I thought everyone knew that? He's a big time Clintonista. I wouldn't put too much stock into his opinions on the Democratic contest cause he's very biased...him and Craig Crawford.

[Zueda]

19. I picked up on this a month or so ago...

I got a bad vibe in how he was luring a guest with questions in a persuasive fashion to Clinton's benefit in a story involving some clash between her and Obama. I like Keith but haven't watched his show much since.... Actually haven't watched his show at all since.

[ClarkUSA]

65. It's a shame he isn't even trying to hide it -- and I used to be a fan before he made it big

Not anymore. He's a full-time Clinton cheerleader now minus the pompoms - I am thinking of mailing a pair to him along with a note.
His studio is in Secaucus, NJ and the mailing address is public. Jerk! And Craig Crawford is such a suck-up, too. Too bad they both
are trying to pass themselves off as unbiased when they obviously are.

[Cameron27]

80. Is he?

I hope so, with the Hardball Obamathon, she needs at least one media shill, and KO's fine with me. :-)

[Colobo]

Exactly. Craig Crawford especially. He never has anything positive

to say about Obama.

[oasis]

54. Not enough Obama-aid to go around I guess. (nt)

[ClarkUSA]

67. Both KO and Craig Crawford do the journalistic equivalent of sucking Hillary's toes on air.

Ugh, I think I made myself ill.


:puke:

[Colobo]

21. Exactly. Craig Crawford especially. He never has anything positive

to say about Obama.

[Catchawave]

30. If you're not going to answer the OP, try this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3818131

Nobody puts my Keith and Craig in a corner :evilgrin:

[jillan]

43. I don't think so - he is pretty down on Hillary and her K/L vote.

[Auntie Bush]

59. I assumed KO was an Obama fan because he didn't seem to favor Hillary.

Crawford admitted he was a big Hillary fan. Actually, I feel Keith has been careful not to favor any of the candidates...and that's good. He's lose a lot of viewers if he favored one over the other.

[msongs]

6. oh, I thought you meant keith richards :-) nt

[jenmito]

7. I saw the show. And even though HE said nobody was talking about what Obama said

(as Keith is a Hillary/Bill supporter) I saw on CNN a woman interviewed who said she went to the event because she respects Oprah and she ended up liking what Obama had to say.

[geek tragedy]

9. Everyone at the events heard what he had to say. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

10. Olbermann is one of the biggest Hill Shills in the business

His bias has been evident for months now and his admirers should be embarrassed.

[MadBadger]

13. Besides the issue of Hillary, I still love him.

[BeyondGeography]

18. For the most part, I still like him, too

But I can't remember someone with his kind of platform being so openly biased toward a candidate before. It's minor league.

[MadBadger]

20. I kind of ignore him when it comes to this

Frankly if I want to hear campaign news, I go to watch Hardball where at least Tweety can even out Craig Crawford's spin. But KO still speaks to me for everything else.

[oasis]

23. Poor guy, he wants the return of Clintonian competency to the White House.(eom)

[silverojo]

47. What's your definition of competency?

Destroying FDR's safety net, as Clinton did? As a disabled person who personally faced poverty as a direct result of Clinton/Gore's "welfare DEform", I shudder to think what will happen if HRC becomes president and takes up where he left off.

I was lucky enough to inherit some money; not all disabled single people are that fortunate.

[oasis]

53. Bill did his best in manipulating a Republican congress to the benefit

of as many Americans as possible. Under ther circumstances, he did a damn good job.

[ecstatic]

12. That's the fault of the media... I wish they'd just shut up about it

But they're not going to quit until they can twist something positive into something negative.

[rucky]

15. So did Keith report on it?

or just comment on the lack of reporting in his report?

[jillan]

68. Yes - he did a whole segment on it.

Mostly about the size of the crowds, and the question we all have - how this will effect his poll numbers.

[Joe the Revelator]

16. He got his regular stump speech out in front of a very very large audience....

why is there so much whining about this coming from team hillary?

[Renew Deal]

17. I'm not an Obama supporter, but that's absolutely correct.

I don't think there was any focus on anything except his jokes.

[oasis]

25. Yup, that joke about the Oprahbot wives. What a killer.

:crazy:

[1corona4u]

32. I thought that was...disturbing.

[oasis]

56. Oprah seemed uncomfortable while he was telling that stupid joke.(eom)

[Catchawave]

35. the joke about "glad Oprah didn't want wives to kill their husbands..?

As in, defining her "power" ? I heard this soundbite early today, the pundits were speechless. Very dark.

[ArkySue]

52. creepy

Is he trying to be Huckabee? Blech!!!

[oasis]

58. It wasn't funny or clever. The "Oprah's power" thing may come back to bite both

of them. This tour with the Queen and Crown Prince is already a bust.

[Connie_Corleone]

22. As long as the audience heard what he had to say, that's what counts.

I usually ignore Olbermann when he talks about Obama since he's such a Hillary suck up. I still watch his show for the other stuff, but I take what Olbermann says about Obama with a grain of salt.

[1corona4u]

31. Interesting..

I watch him all the time, and I've never seen him talk about Hillary....not that I can remember....but he does occasionally mention Joe.

[Catchawave]

37. Keith likes everybody :)

He just doesn't gush over any one candidate like Chris Matthews does, who I've stopped watching because I'm not a fan of political porn, and that insipid know-it-all, Pat Buchanan.

[1corona4u]

39. I hear ya...

really hard to watch, but I must. I hate Pat though. Hate him.

[MadBadger]

38. It hit me when he and Craig Crawford were vigorisouly defending HRC during the immigration flap.

Then there was another issue that has slipped my mind where he took HRC's side vs Barack Obama. I had never seen him do this type of thing before.

[Catchawave]

36. Do you take what KO says about Bush with a grain of salt ?

:shrug:

[Connie_Corleone]

73. Obviously not, since I said I still watch his show.

It's no damn secret that he dislikes Bush, and for good reason.

Is it allowed to have a criticism about KO on DU, or is he the holy grail around here? I still like him. I just have a personal opinion about his coverage of Obama over the last few months.

[Stop Cornyn]

27. Frankly, Kucinich, Biden, Richardson, and Dodd would LOVE to have Oprah upstage them.

[jillan]

41. On This Week with Snuffy - Biden said that he was sure that Obama was enjoying

having Oprah to bring together such large crowds.

[1corona4u]

28. I know you only wanted Obama supporters to comment, but...

To me, Obama's like eating a Chinese dinner. 2 hours later, you're hungry again.

He talks a lot, and never says anything. No substance if you ask me.

[silverojo]

49. I agree...and Obama's my 2nd-favorite candidate

Sad.

[LiberalFighter]

33. At a meeting tonite it was brought up that after Oprah was done and time for Obama

many of the attendees were leaving. Apparently, they were there just to see and hear Oprah. They being the ones that left.

[jenmito]

34. On CNN right now, they're replaying their package on the subject...

The young woman interviewed said, "I came for Oprah hoping to hear something good from Obama. I think I DID."

[zulchzulu]

40. Um...people were talking about what Obama said during his speech

If you look at the threads, people were saying he was on fire, that his speech was great... Keith was probably watching football.

[1corona4u]

42. I think people were talking about outside DU...

like in the real world...what people really thought, not us political junkies.

[zulchzulu]

45. Eh... you mean C-SPAN watchers?

The calls coming in were all very positive except for one guy who thought McCain was going to be Obama's VP... where else were the speeches broadcast in full?

[MadBadger]

48. Didnt that guy say he though McCain was gonna be his own VP

Michael P. Shaw 4 President!

[1corona4u]

50. I am specifically talking about the media, MSM, since the events...

Most people never watch CSPAN. Plus, I have no idea what was done on CSPAN, because I had no desire to watch it. Maybe you misunderstood what they OP said?

[quickesst]

46. The trash Olberman....

people are a surprise to me. I have visited DU virually every day for several years, and although not a frequent poster, I do keep up. One thing I found curious, after seeing the scathing attacks on KO in this thread, is not remembering any comments from anyone whatsoever, that attacked him as this thread is doing. I've always had the impression that he was among the few remaining reporters that could be relied upon for his integrity, courage, and honesty. Now, after all these years, he reports something that has been pointed out numerous times, by many people(all oprah-no Obama), which doesn't sit too well with a candidates supporters, and suddenly he's Lou Dobbs, with hair. Kinddd of piss-poor, if you ask me. Thanks.
quickesst

[jenmito]

51. I'M not trashing him...just pointing out a fact-

he's a Clinton supporter. He SAID so one night when Matthews was telling him how people were starting to warm up to Hillary and if he (KO) saw the latest ad or whatever she made, he'd start to warm to her, too. His reply was, "START to warm to her?" And he had full interviews with both Bill and Hillary on separate nights.

[Berry Cool]

61. He has NEVER said he's a Clinton supporter. That's not true.

Can you produce the video proof in which he said "START to warm to her"? I'd sure like to see it.

As for me, I'll never forget the time he was on the Dan Patrick radio show and said something to the effect of "I wouldn't vote for Hillary if you paid me."

And, for the record, he doesn't vote, so concerned is he about appearing biased.

Yet all I ever see on DU is Obama fans going on and on about what a "Hill Shill" he is, and how it's soooo unfair. Personally, I think they're looking to see pro-Hillary anti-Obama bias everywhere, so they see it even where it's not.

He interviews Bill about the Global Initiative, which he thinks is great. So? And he's had full interviews with a lot of people. Including both the Edwardses. In fact, when asked who he thinks should be President, he said Elizabeth Edwards.

I think some people just look to be offended. The man isn't perfect, but he's not a shill for any of the candidates.

[jenmito]

64. He said what I said he said. Sorry-it's too late tonight to look for a transcript,

but I'll check tomorrow. It was weeks ago. I love Keith still. But he DID say that. It's a fact.

[1corona4u]

70. Maybe that was as in; ...riiiiggghhhttt......as in never.

[jillan]

55. Amen! It's like a bunch of Repubs - attack the messenger - NOT the message.

I LOVE Keith!!!

[jenmito]

60. You requested our input. Yet you ignored my post(s) and others'. Did you really WANT our input

or did you start the thread for another reason?

[jillan]

66. Hold on jenmito!

I am not ignoring anybody - I have a life outside of DU and am not on this computer every minute to catch every post that is made.



I only caught a little of Obama's speech from Saturday. And from what I have been hearing about the events is exactly what Keith said. I figured that Obama supporters watched all of the speeches and could fill us in. I have to admit I was surprised when I came back online and to this thread how defensive everyone was. How Keith was getting bashed, and made out to be a Hillary supporter. He is pretty tough on her. I personally thought he backed Edwards.

[Catchawave]

69. Keith is an honest journalist....

I see no candidate favoritism, he reports the news, and if anyone screws up, pub or dem, he calls it as he sees them :) He's just as disappointed as I am that Obama may not rise to what Oprah aspires him to be.

Sidebar: I'm having serious Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert withdrawl, I need more snarky-snark for this political stuff :hi:

[rocktivity]

57. If the media are using Oprah as an excuse for NOT talking about Obama

They're deliberately doing their audience a disservice.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BenDavid]

63. Gee, it is a known fact you do not want your candidate to be

upstaged, and in this case this is what happened to Obama. Sure it was a big deal to have her out campaigning with him but then again his message gets lost in translation and no one remembers what he said.

The problem with Oprah speaking or endorsing Obama and never involved herself in any other elections does not do Obama a service but rather it gets folks afterwards to think just why is Oprah endorsing Obama?

[Egnever]

72. Love Kieth

but it doesnt matter what his "everyone" is talking about what matters is they are talking about it. Also what matters is the number of people who heard what Obama had to say. It was a huge oportunity for him to get his message out and people will walk away from it better informed about what he believes no matter what.

Any candidate in their right mind would kill for crowds that size to talk to.

[DrFunkenstein]

74. Obama's Strength is Communicating Liberal Ideas to Make Them Seem

Like common sense. As a huge Kerry supporter, I realize that most people cannot handle detailed policy speeches and are looking for a thumbnail idea of what the candidate stands for. If they want more details, they can go to the website or do 10 minutes of research.

The press always gets bored with stump speeches because they follow the campaign around like monkey-dogs. But Obama happens to have a pretty inspiring stump speech for newcomers. And for those that have been following him more closely, we all know that he can deliver the goods on the spot, as well.

People vote for candidates for all kinds of reasons, but mostly because they tie a few political ideas with a general emotion they have towards the candidate. But where Bush would talk about being hopeful and optimistic, Obama actually makes you feel that way and makes you want to contribute to making the world better. In that sense, I'd say the Oprah events were extremely successful in motivating citizens to participate.

[oasis]

76. "Politics of Hope": KO hoping for a SURE winner to go against the GOP in the general.

That'd be Hillary. I don't blame him.

[grrr050]

78. Some of you guys got it all wrong.......

Keith is not a Hill shill. In fact he joined the rest of msm in bashing Hillary last week when Hill went negative towards Barack. Cant really tell who he's supporting but it's clear that he much rather prefer to devote her full hour exposing the evils of Ghouliani or any repub candidates. IMO he had moderated the best debate so far.

[oasis]

79. KO is my favorite. He can lean toward Hillary any day if he chooses.(eom)

[EffieBlack]

77. Who is "everyone"

I agree that the national media covering the event focused only on Oprah and hardly noted that Obama was there. But Oprah wasn't there to court the national media - she was there to bring in people who ordinarily might not pay attention. I'll bet that plenty of the people who attended those events paid attention to Obama. And they will probably continue paying attention to him now that Oprah is gone. It doesn't mean they'll necessarily vote for him, but she exposed him to a large swath of people.

No matter who the media was paying attention to . . .