I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination and probably work for her but

[Quixote1818]

I just don't get how any DUers would put her as their #1 candidate? :shrug:

1. She is much more tied into big business than the other candidates
2. Her Health Care plan is certainly not the best offered by the different candidates. She has never been for single-payer health insurance
3. She supports NAFTA and free trade
4. Her vote in favor of the Kyle-Lieberman amendment
5. Her plan to get out of Iraq sounds like Bush's plan
6. It doesn't sound like she is going to stand up the the big Corporations. At least she isn't talking much about it.
7. She is making all kinds of stupid mistakes on the campaign trail
8. She is pro Death penalty
9. She sponsored the Anti-Flag Burning Amendment
10. She supported the 2001 bankruptcy bill
11. Her vote for the Iraq war
Feel free to add to the list


Just to name a few of my problems with her. Sure some of the other candidates made some of the same mistakes, but only two or three on the list. I do like her but I just don't get any DUer getting all fired up about a candidate with this kind of track record on the issues.

Can you explain why she is still your #1 even after all this?
Others, feel free to add to my list as I am sure I missed a few things.

[Windy]

1. Thank you. I've been posting this for awhile now. See if you get any answers from the HRC people

My guess is you won't get one cogent response.

[msongs]

2. sounds like you should be a kucinich fan nt

[Windy]

3. see....

I don't think they really know what their candidate stands for. All they know is that she's a clinton. Repubs don't like clintons. If I want to get under the repubs skin, vote for a clinton...

That's the only way to rationalize this

[niceypoo]

4. Thats the shallowest bit of anti=Hillary reasoning Ive seen yet

Bravo!

[ClarkUSA]

5. Sockpuppets help.

I've already found a couple who are using aliases and I bet they vote in every poll.

[provis99]

6. all cogent points. Which raise the question:

Why the heck are you going to volunteer to work for her? Holding my nose and pulling the Democrat lever is about the most I could stomach.

[creeksneakers2]

7. I don't agree with all your premises

And I don't share the basic world view of most of those who are against Hillary.

For one thing, I think corporations are a big part of our American economy. I want the government to be able to control them when necessary. I don't view them as the enemy. I do view them as a competitor for power that has to be checked and balanced against. I think they've been running around like pirates in Washington for the last seven years and that has to be stopped. Corporations don't own Hillary and she stands up to them all the time.

I actually like Dodd the best but I defend Hillary because I believe she's treated unfairly. Its also likely that she'll be the Democratic nominee and I want as many people as possible to support her later.

There's a chance that if Dodd takes on Bush on FISA and wins he'll be the new hero of the Democrats. If Dodd gets enough support to be a credible candidate, I'll change my focus to Dodd.

[comradebillyboy]

8. I feel the same way but

I do respect Quixote1818 for his willingness to support Hill if she's the democratic nominee even though she's not at the top of his list. Why, some might ask, would Quixote1818 do this? I would guess its because Hillary is still 10x better than the best repuke and a democratic congress and democratic president even if not your favorite is still a big step forward. Thats why I'll support anyone who wins the nomination.

Quixote1818 please pardon me if I have mistaken your logic.

[creeksneakers2]

9. I got the impression that Quixote1818 was asking a sincere

question too. Nice that Quixote1818 listens to the other side.

[madrchsod]

10. hillary is better by a factor of ten?

that`s way to low!
there is`t a republican that is close to any candidate that the dems have when it comes to intelligence and a decent plan for america`s future. i`ll even take half a glass that all but dennis is offering than the boot heel of a republican..

[Quixote1818]

12. Absolutely. I think she would probably be a good president maybe even a great president

and who knows, she might be a better president than the others even though I agree with them more on most issues. Maybe she is like FDR and running to the middle but then will become a progressive as president? Jimmy Carter was a lot more progressive than Hillary but he lacked some skills to be an effective president. I think Bill Clinton was a very good president even though he did some things I didn't agree with. That is going to happen with just about anyone.

The things that separate Democrats from Democrats are minor compared to the things that separate the Democratic candidates from the Republican candidates. We will all bicker and fight over things but all in all Hillary and I are a lot more alike than we are different!

[Kurovski]

11. She was AGAINST cookie baking before she was FOR it.

[silverojo]

13. Let's talk welfare and food stamps

Here's my addition to the list:

HRC hasn't said one word about correcting the problems with the welfare DE-form that her husband inflicted upon the country. By only giving aid to people with dependent children, it encourages people to have more and more children that they can't afford. It also punishes people who DON'T have children...people who had sense enough to realize that they can't afford to have kids.

Two good ways to remedy this injustice would be:

1) Give assistance to single people who need it.

2) Make it clear that welfare/food stamps are availalble for the kids you have NOW, and/or if you happen to be pregnant NOW. If you want kids beyond that, fine--but expect to pay for them yourself, because the govt. shouldn't be subsidizing pregnancy after pregnancy.

That would be fairer to everyone (taxpayers included), and help discourage those who have kids indiscriminately, just to get more money.

[eridani]

14. Mark Penn, Begala and Carville--grade A assholes one and all

Yes, I'll vote for her too. However she will be a really hard sell to non-party advocates of Iraq withdrawal, fair trade and universal health care.

I may be reduced to widely circulating those vile misogynistic emails my Repuke brother keeps sending me, just to piss progressives off enough to do a little doorbelling.

[annie1]

15. Well, she's my #1 for a couple of reasons...

Sorry if my grammer isn't perfect on this, i'm gonna type pretty fast and stream of concious:

#1, i don't think her iraq vote was horrible, biden voted for it, so did Edwards, and i love both those guys. I think Bush was wrong to invade as he did.

2. I'm having trouble understand all of the different healthcare plans, but edwards and hers are similar and i believe edwards really is "for the people" so i think hers is too. But i know without a mandate prices will be too high. She's been working on healthcare for 15 years, so i trust her.

3. She wants to dismantle nafta, so i'm down with that. although i might like obama better for dismantling free trade. this is where his honesty comes in as a plus for me. she's too familiar with it, and i wouldn't put it past her to be shady for it. but then again, i think she probably has much more knowledge in this area. she's visited tons and tons of countries and is well verse in international affairs. that being said, i really don't know what he knows internationally, but she is well versed.

4. I do find her to the right of me, i am probably a little to the right of edwards, so i have to make that choice. Well, i think her being to the right of edwards makes her possibly more electable. but i don't know and i often find myself torn btwn the 2.

5. She HAS always stuck up for women and families. She goes out of her way to talk about difference btwn payrates for men and women, is very concerned about child welfare and educational opportunity, in the senate she's big on issues like fighting against cuts in Medicaid, women's health care, raising the minimum wage, getting emergency contraception for the poor, etc. Things that are important to struggling families. She's been involved with the education system since her time in arkansas, and education means a lot to me. She IS liberal when it comes to education. So is edwards and dodd, but while dodd is great on the domestic front, i don't know too much more about him.

6. I worry about Edwards electability even more than hers. If i could just *put* someone in the white house, it might be him, but maybe not. but i think he's a tough win b/c he's lost so many times already.

7. Oh her campaigning! it sux sux sux sux sux. unreal. suprising. and if she keeps making mistakes, someone else will be my number one. probably edwards.

8. I just cannot get behind obama as number one. I don't like him emotionally. He leaves me cold. And i watch him with interest, but so far not much he has said really speaks to my heart. But i think he probably has guts, but he seems just as opportunistic as clinton, i don't see too much difference btwn them in that area. I have looked at his voting record, and its pretty much the same as hers, except she misses few votes than he does. so what's the dif. btwn them? well, i'm in ny, so i am more familiar with her record and what she gets for ny, than whatever he has done for IL.

9. i personally don't think obama is experienced enough. i think she'll be able to work faster to undo the 8 years of bush. I think she's hardcore and i think btwn her and bill, they know evertyhing they need to undo, and she'll do it.

10. Biden is great i've not heard him say anything about domestic social policy that endears me to him. and i know for a fact that he has no chance in hell of winning, and electablity is obviously an issue.

My big problem with her is the patriot act, which is why even though she is technically my first choice, i will always be wary of her. I'm used to her having a bigger mouth, so for her to be so conservative is sort of painful for me, but everytime she really opens her mouth and sticks her foot into it, it's something pretty liberal, so i do have faith in her.

Ok, hopefully no flames, i ran off at the keyboard. :) (this being said, at any given time Obama, Biden, Dodd and Edwards have also held #1 status for me, but i finally settled on hil a few days ago).