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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:37 PM
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Perhaps the fatal flaw of Hillary's campaign is...Bill.
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 02:37 PM by jefferson_dem
From The Telegraph --

Perhaps the fatal flaw of Mrs Clinton's campaign is her husband. On the campaign trail, Bill Clinton is adored by Democrats but talks endlessly about himself. Her implicit claim to be striking a blow for feminism is undermined by his presence, which reminds people that without him she would be nothing.

And while Bill's 1992 campaign was about a new generation taking over Washington, his wife's seems - to modify his slogan of 15 years ago - to be about building a bridge back to the 20th century.

Tensions between the Bill and Hillary camps are heightening as the going gets tougher. Privately, her aides fret about the potential for fresh revelations of her husband's infidelity. And Bill's easy rapport with voters provides a ready contrast with Hillary's awkwardness, reminding Americans that if he has an heir in his ability to connect to crowds on campaign trail, it is not his wife, but her would-be nemesis.

While Mr Obama has journeyed to remote rural areas and answered hundreds of questions, Mrs Clinton has sought refuge in canned speeches and stage-managed "meet and greets" in diners. Her aides were caught planting easy questions in Iowa - an act of sacrilege in a state that cherishes its role as a laboratory for retail politics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/15/wobama115.xml
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:23 PM
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1. Interesting paragraph....
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 03:24 PM by earthlover
"While Mr Obama has journeyed to remote rural areas and answered hundreds of questions, Mrs Clinton has sought refuge in canned speeches and stage-managed "meet and greets" in diners. Her aides were caught planting easy questions in Iowa - an act of sacrilege in a state that cherishes its role as a laboratory for retail politics".

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:28 PM
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2. On Charlie Rose, Bill compared Obama's experience with that of a plumber or TV commentator
As if being a State Senator, a civil rights lawyer, a constitutional law professor and touching lives as a community organizer are irrelevant experiences.
How much more foolish can Bill get? Actually, considering the high probability of further evidence of adulterous affairs, I'd say he has a ways to go.


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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:33 PM
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3. "which reminds people that without him she would be nothing"
exactly.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:50 PM
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4. He's her greatest asset.
He's also the reason why I don't support her. Bill did a lot of good, but his kind of politics is a bad fit for a potentially transcendent election where there is real opportunity to shift the status quo. We need someone who will aggressively push for a fair chance for all people, as aggressively as the Bush team pushed for aristocratic privilege for the wealthy (except legally). The Clintons are technocrats who shy away from ideological conflict. It's just not their time anymore.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 04:04 PM
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7. Well put.
I think that another difference between Bill and Hillary is that he is a happy person and she isn't.

He philandered, and she had to put up with it.

She is a private person, but has to play to an image that is not wholly her. Maybe she doesn't have to, but she BELIEVES she has to be this other creature in order to be elected. That dicotomy is where the awkwardness comes in.

Bill loves politics and grabbing the hands and schmoozing. He was gifted with the very type of personality that a politician needs.

None of this matters if Hillary represents who you want to vote for.

I'm too progressive to consider voting for her, unless someone actually holds a gun to my head.

Which with the heatedness that some are approaching this election, could well be the case!
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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:52 PM
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5. I sincerely hope Bill doesn't stop with his rants about Obama, (he'll never get it)
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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:52 PM
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6. Bill? --> shhh....
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 04:05 PM
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8. Bill was Al's biggest problem, too.
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 04:07 PM by RufusTFirefly
Bill Clinton is a natural. He's so smart and so appealing that he made the DLC's DINO policies almost palatable. When America elected and re-elected Bill Clinton, the DLC got a mistaken sense of its own importance and power. It wasn't the DLC. It was Bill.

Al Gore is a good man who tried to toe the DLC line. Although by no means a natural like Bill, Al can be passionate, warm, and funny when he wants to. He is a thoughtful, earnest leader. But the DLC's policies were like a straitjacket on him. They left him ill at ease. His discomfort back in those days was palpable.

A far more typical DLC standard-bearer is Joe Lieberman. Hillary Clinton would seem to be cut from the same cloth.

Unfortunately, without charisma to cloud them, the DLC's policies are all too obvious.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 04:12 PM
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9. His natural charisma does act a lot like a spoonful of
Sugar to help the poison go down, doesn't it?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 04:22 PM
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10. That's how I
feel about hillary..she's "canned". Canned bush enabling senator and her husband bill should stick to his legacy from the last century. We need new thinking in this century and that doesn't include covering up fascist bushit when you're in our white house.

Not that they couldn't have been fresh in this century but they chose their path of greed.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 04:23 PM
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11. I rather think the "fatal flaw" of Hillary's campaign is.. well, the candidate. n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 05:11 PM
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12. The Telepgaph belongs to ol' Rupert, non? What a load of RW BS!
And I don't support Hillary (nor Obama)
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 05:20 PM
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13. Having the most popular President of the 20th Century campaigning for you is "fatal"? You guys!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 05:27 PM
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14. SSDD from you obama folks....how pathetic
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