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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:18 AM
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Rasmussen: Hillary at 40% for second day in a row...

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it’s Clinton 40%, Barack Obama 27% and John Edwards 13%. Bill Richardson and Joe Biden are each supported by 3% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters. (see recent daily numbers).

...

Clinton is viewed favorably by 82% of Democratic voters, Edwards by 72%, and Obama by 66%.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:24 AM
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1. Lies, all lies.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:26 AM
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2. That'd be good for Hillary if this was the General election....
But Iowa, NH, and South Carolina have Hillary and Obama either at a dead heat or Obama AHEAD. The first three states to vote. Gee, do you think that'll have an impact? If these states go for Obama, she doesn't stand much of a chance.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:32 AM
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4. "Gee, do you think that'll have an impact?" Not as much as it once did
With more and more people voting absentee ballot as a matter of convenience now, and several states allowing such ballots to be cast before New Hampshire and in one case before Iowa, thousands of votes will be made before the first once in Iowa and NH.

In addition, Hillary has huge leads in most of the super duper Tuesday states.

And, finally, with the internet becoming many people's primary news source, they will no longer rely on Iowa and NH to make their decision for them.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:03 PM
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23. Love the net. No love for Iowa.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:34 AM
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6. Of course, dear. And I'm sure they will.
After all, they give money to televangelists, too.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:35 AM
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7. My ideal outcome.
Iowa-Edwards
New Hampshire-Clinton
South Carolina-Obama

Helllllooooo brokered convention!
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:42 AM
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11. I would rather say: Hello Super-Tuesday - Feb 5.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:46 AM
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12. Yes, but that may well be the result.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:57 AM
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14. See, here is what I see.....
In the past, states waited expectantly for what the trends were in Iowa, New Hampshire, and the other "early states". Well, now there is no waiting.

Computers bring daily polling onto the home desktops or they are broadcast, almost daily, and certainly selectively, by TV bloated heads.

But prospective voters have much more and much easier access to information - trends - than in the past. I am seeing that early states will not have the impact that they have had in the past.

That potential nominees of political parties for the presidency can be maneuvered by a handful of what should be meaningless states is an outrage. It defies the very core of democratic processes.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:04 PM
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15. I agree. Things happen to fast this year.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:21 PM
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27. Well, you can always dream, but....
That isn't the case 90% of the time, and I doubt that the internet will have more power than the early states this time, either.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:28 AM
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3. K&R!
:)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:32 AM
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5. Looking at those Democratic favorability numbers sort of emphasizes
how unrepresentative feelings here on DU are.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:44 PM
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20. True.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:35 AM
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8. completely irrelevant national poll
I think this is a big waste of time even publishing this. and I'd say this even if Obama were ahead.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:40 AM
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10. I agree. Most people have not looked close at Hillary yet
Those in Iowa and NH are looking closer and they are saying "No fucking way".
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:43 PM
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19. I disagree.....
By now Obama, spearheaded by the charge of the black brigade, should have left Hillary in the dust if things were as you say.

Instead, they are neck and neck and if it were not for that outrageous 15% rule the outcome would be also neck and neck.

And I also believe that the outcome will be laboriously picked apart by all - pretentious pundits as well as the variegated voters in the rest of the states.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:40 AM
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9. Rasmussen is also drumming up attention to himself..........
...by asserting that Iowa is critical to Clinton - more so than before...... (duh)!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/2008_democratic_presidential_primary

Iowa is now vitally important to Clinton because her leads in both in New Hampshire and South Carolina have disappeared. Rasmussen Reports will release new polling data this week in all three of those states.

Nationwide, over the past week, Clinton and Obama are nearly even among men but the former First Lady holds a 17-point advantage among women.
Obama leads by 24 among black voters, Clinton by 18 among white voters.

Clinton leads among both liberal and moderate voters. She enjoys a much bigger lead among Democrats while Obama is close among Independent voters likely to vote in a Democratic Primary.

But, in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it’s not the demographics that matter. It’s the early states. Things are close enough in each of the early states that a win in Iowa could lead to a sweep of the early states and strong momentum for the nomination.


Yeah, pay attention to the early states because that's where Rasmussen's polls really shine......After they are done with and gone, well........

These pollsters are very funny people!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:47 AM
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13. Clinton viewed favorably by 82% of Dem voters, Edwards by 72%, Obama by 66%.

"Clinton is viewed favorably by 82% of Democratic voters, Edwards by 72%, and Obama by 66%."

I'm astonished Edwards rates so highly.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:05 PM
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16. I'm surprised Obama is that low...
...we tend to forget that all Dems ain't on the left like us...that there's a world outside of GDP!!!!
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:21 PM
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17. yes, but not many of us

ever seem to get outside the matrix ;)

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:47 PM
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21. There are three parts to the Democratic party.
The anti-capitalist left, the moderates, and the DLC.
I am in that broad category known as "moderates".
The MAJORITY of the Democrats are in the moderate category.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:28 PM
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32. Yep, and that world doesn't buy the notion that inexperience
in a president is something to be desired. If you need surgery, would you prefer to be treated by an intern or by a surgeon with years of experience?

I've been saying this like a mantra: Obama is a bright, capable man, but he should have waited before deciding to run for president.

I sincerely hope that when all is said and done, experience trumps platitudes and Hillary wins the nomination. Only time will tell.........
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:24 PM
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18. So? She's been up to 49%. Obama's still up at around his highest % YET!
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:34 PM
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24. So? Take another look......
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:27 PM
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30. It doesn't make what I said false.
Tomorrow he could be at 28% and she could still be at 40%. Then the trends will reverse.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:27 PM
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31. That's incorrect... Obama is trending upawrds in both early state and national polls
Only a Hillaryworlder would say otherwise. And yes, I look at RCP National and Early State Poll Averages every day.

Link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:32 PM
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33. Thanks for that. You're right. :That poster just took a few days as a trend...
I DID point out, though, that Obama is at his 2nd all-time high numbers...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:19 PM
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35. You're very welcome... I didn't want the Hillaryworld BS to stand
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 08:21 PM by ClarkUSA
And you did great pointing out Obama's peaking numbers. That's what caught my attention at first... then the inevitable BS spin.
Have you seen the spread for this week? It ranges from 10-30 points, which means this poll is meaningless except for the trendlines.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 12:51 PM
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22. Wow. Now if only national polls meant anything in Iowa, NH or SC.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:52 PM
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25. Yeah, those people in Iowa, NH and SC have no clue about internet and stuff....
They just wait around for the TV bloated heads to steer them in the right, uh maybe left direction.

Those national polls don't mean anything. Those national polls don't mean anything. Those national polls don't mean anything.

Those national polls don't mean anything. Those national polls don't mean anything. Those national polls don't mean anything.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:23 PM
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28. You're just fooling yourself.
You really should try to learn from history. Just because you want it, doesn't mean it's going to happen.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:56 PM
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26. Happily K&R
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:25 PM
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29. k and r
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:58 PM
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34. National polls are not relevant right now. Its too late in the primary game.
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