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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:15 PM Original message |
Obama lies. Will it be dismissed? Probably, but here it is nonetheless. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Whoa... |
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143tbone (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't consider that a lie |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. He's just another politician.... |
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Zueda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. And if you look at his Illinois poll numbers... |
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oldtime dfl_er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. so... |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Wasn't there a candidate for guv of Arkansas |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. Oh man... where ARE all these straws we are grasping at around here? |
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snowbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. UR Going Off the Deep End - - - - - - - |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. why isn't it possible to believe that at the time |
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sk8rrobert2 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. A lie? Technically yes, but It is just if he is running not anything to serious |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. Desperation at it's finest. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. Illinois Democratic voters are pissed about this |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'm stunned. THIS has never happened before. |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm sure "Senator" Clinton has never said anything like that |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
78. FWIW, only since you brought it up |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. More Clinton Parsing -- Slick Hilly at it again |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. How dumb do you think people are anyway? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. We must agree to disagree on that |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I haven't attacked Obama's statements |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
14. From 1/06 to 1/07 Obama changed his mind. Hillary parsed illegal DL positions 3x in 2 minutes. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
15. The politics of HOPE! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. So, has your candidate ever changed his/her mind? Do you call him/her a liar for doing so? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. My candidate was asked if he was running early on |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Did your candidate change his mind about, say, his IWR/Patriot Act/Bankruptcy Bill votes? |
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Zueda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
60. Are you suggesting that it's not at all possible that... |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. Personal attack. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. awww, I'm sorry for highlighting Obama's past statements |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. You need to join Hillary's "Likability Tour" because your charm overshadows hers by a mile |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. you need to get some new lines n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. C'mon, pack your bags! Hillary needs you to teach her how to get people to like her. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. oh man, that's rich. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Don't be so modest. You're much more likable than Hillary. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. flattery I like, but doesn't make Obama qualified to be present |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. How'd Hillary's "experience" tell her to vote on IWR and Kyl-Lieberman again? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Same way as Obama voted...oh wait, he had other things to do, didn't he. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. What "experience" did Hillary have "neutralizing all of Bill's women"? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Why don't we just skip to Vince Foster, there, fellow Democrat? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Why not keep "wondering" whether Obama was a drug dealer, instead? Or if he went to a madrassa? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. And I said that where? You just brought up Bill's "women" to slam Hillary. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Please, tell me how Hillary is the "change agent" Bill keeps muttering about these days? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #62 |
72. I should probably wait on you to change the subject again, eh? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. I like her. I like her!!!! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. True. She's a lucky candidate, too, to have you as a supporter. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Yeah sure. Maybe they'll let Barry Bonds use that argument to ward off going to jail |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. since i voted for him i hope he does get the whitehouse |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. Thats it, I'm never voting for Obama |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. he knew that was lie then - he had been planning his run since Kindergarten |
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rep the dems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. Well maybe not *that* early. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. ..... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
28. Silly--don't you know the rules? if Obama says it we are not allowed to look at it |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
29. he's not my guy, but that's not a lie. it's a broken promise. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Where is the word "promise". It was a statement. He changed his mind a year later. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. And all the pieces just happened to be in place? Yup. And TR just asked out of the blue - no signs |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. "I will not". It's not a big deal, but at worst it's a broken promise. b/c.... |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
30. He should've just answered "Present!" to that question. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. rofl - hey, that's not a personal attack, is it???!!! |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
70. Nope. "Ad Hominem" attack means an attack against the man, |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. Recycling age-old, well-debunked straw men smears... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. WTF? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. My thoughts exactly... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
39. Deleted message |
Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Oh dear, I hope "the one" is forgiving...Maybe I should atone immediately. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Bob Vila said Hillary was the "Hammer" when he endorsed her. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
40. Obama's "Politics of Hope" is all Smoke and Mirrors... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Hey control, we've got another here that can see! |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. All too clearly. I'm not buying what Obama is selling. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Nah, it's a takeoff from "They LIve" |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. I must have seen it on cable, cause it looks familiar... |
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Fried Bread (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
49. Should it be dismissed? YES |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Why? |
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Fried Bread (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Because it's petty. |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
61. Find personal attacks humorous? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
91. So would that be like when Obama called Hillary disingenous? Or compared her to bush/cheney/romney.. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
63. Am I the only one who can remember back to last fall when people |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
64. to tim it's not a lie,tim dreams about clinton's penis |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
66. After Obama became the "Annointed One" by Empress Oprah, all bets were off.(eom) |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
68. I didnt think my wife and I would get divorced |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-22-07 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
71. Why would Obama lie? Your post is silly. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Because he has a record of inconsistencies. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. He has a lot of spin directed at him. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Obama chides opponents for their every move, but hides from his own words. And is not above attacks. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. How has Obama hidden from his own words? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. OK, I will. I just do this a good bit, and it seems to kill the conversation. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Spin spin spin |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. what? where is the spin. Obama's own words prove what I just said. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I am so sick of this |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. He also said there wasn't much room between him and bush on Iraq, was tha out of context too? |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
77. There is a difference between changing your mind and lying |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
85. I used to tell people I'd never get married. I'm getting married next year. |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
89. Obama clearly broke his word, but it is probably not a lie. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
92. Obama Lies with ease.. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
93. Didn't a certain Arkansas governor promise his constituents that he would complete his term? |
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