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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:45 PM
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Hillary, Obama play to different generations
Hillary, Obama play to different Iowa generations
BY GLENN THRUSH

WATERLOO, Iowa - When Hillary Rodham Clinton's volunteers and staffers stand at the back of their candidate's events in Iowa, they sometimes play a little game one observer called "Count the oxygen tanks and wheelchairs."

Barack Obama's Iowa troops have their own rituals in the days leading up to the crucial Jan. 3 caucus -- one of them is making sure the high school kids who swarm their appearances turn 18 in time to vote.

If the Clinton-Obama confrontation figured to be a clash of gender and racial pathfinders, it's turned out in large measure to be a generational battle. Obama is gunning for 80 percent of the under-21 vote, his advisers say, while Clinton is banking on a bedrock of middle-aged and elderly voters who make up the majority of caucus-goers. It's a struggle, at least in a youth marketing sense, that's taken on the generation-war vibe of the "Mac vs. PC" commercials.

"Politicians are usually playing to the older people because they're the ones who vote, and we usually get shunted to the background," said Bryan Carter, 22, one of several Northwestern University undergrads who volunteered at an Obama event in Waterloo earlier this month. "Barack Obama is the first politician to speak to my generation. Hillary doesn't speak to me."

Each camp has its own age-related preoccupations. Clinton's people are deeply anxious about the weather -- icy sidewalks = broken hips = stay-at-home seniors. Obama's staff is organizing a bus caravan from the Chicago suburbs, where many University of Iowa students live, to caucus points near the university's main Iowa City campus, a school official said. The dorms at Drake University, Iowa State and the University of Northern Iowa will remain open during the first week of January, which could help Obama compensate for a winter break that could seriously hamper his turnout.

Iowa law allows out-of-state students who spend nine months of the year in-state to vote, but the Obama campaign's push to squeeze every vote from their ranks has sparked outrage from the Clinton camp, which accuses them of trying to "manipulate" the outcome.

Clinton has tried to maximize her demographic strengths too, albeit in a quieter, less controversial way, organizing handicapped-accessible vans and carpools to shuttle elderly Iowa voters who might otherwise be shut in by bad weather.

"None of these candidates can afford to be a Johnny One-note. All of them are appealing across-the-board, but they all have relative strengths and they are clearly targeting them," said University of Iowa politics professor Cary Covington.

Obama enjoys a more than 2-to-1 advantage, 41 to 19 percent, over Clinton among 18-to-44 year-old voters, according to a University of Iowa Hawkeye State poll taken in late October. His performance among younger voters was by far the best performance by any candidate in any age group.

Hillary Clinton's lead among older voters isn't quite as pronounced, but it's the highest of any candidate in the 45-and-older category at 31 percent.

Continue Reading: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usiowa1224,0,6340959.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlines
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:49 PM
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1. i fall into the older age group,
but obama is my choice. i heard somewhere that women with master's degree's prefer obama.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:52 PM
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2. I have read that more educated people, in general, prefer Obama. nm
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:58 PM
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3. Team Jordan, isn't it time you wrote at least one fair and honest post about...
Hillary. You have been banging your head against the wall for days or weeks now...all negatives.

Not one pleasant or honest or fair post in the lot.

Hmmm, well perhaps it IS too much to expect.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:23 PM
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6. USA Today: "Obama, whose largest base of support lies with affluent and well-educated voters..."
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 08:26 PM by TeamJordan23
I am being fair and honest in my post that Hillary's base is lower-income and lower-educated people while Obama does better with higher-educated and higher-income people. Most polls and articles have confirmed this truth. (i.e. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-18-obama_N.htm which states the quote in the subject). A simple search of "Obama well-educated voters" or "Obama more-educated voters" on Google shows many more articles and polls that back this up.

It's not a shot at Hillary that she does better with lower-educated and lower-income people and Obama does better with more educated voters. Obama, over the year, has been trying to capture this demographic and has cut into her lead in the area. His people would say the same thing - because they represent a large porportion of Dem voters.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:24 PM
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7. Why?
I don't like her. Why should I, or anybody else, be required to write something positive about Hillary.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:26 PM
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:36 PM
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14. agreed. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:44 PM
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16. If the average, middleclass, and oldsters are for Hillary. Yea her!
That's where the bulk of voters and most reliable voters reside.

I have a Masters, no O2 tank, like Hillary and dislike Obama
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:41 AM
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23. Three graduate degrees here. Obama is at the bottom of my list.
I want someone who will fight to restore the country, not a mild-mannered pseudointellectual who 'seems reasonable' and sells himself to college students as if he were a new brand.

Nice guy. (Maybe.) And dead last in my ranking.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:19 PM
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5. I'm older
but don't have a Master's and I'm for Obama.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:33 PM
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12. i don't have a master's either.
i guess we're both smart.:toast:
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:35 PM
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13. Heh.
:hi:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:10 PM
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17. I have three degrees, and he's definitely not my candidate.
But not much about me fits into the "norm" :)
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:11 PM
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4. How sad
"Count the oxygen tanks and wheelchairs"... That is disgusting, how callous of Team Clinton :(

Because of a Spinal-cord injury i walk with a cane and i am only 20. they have some nerve. And they think this is going to win them votes?

Me and my cane will go somewhere else.....
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:27 PM
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9. Don't believe everything you read.
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:29 PM
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10. Huh?
You mean the media lies and tells half truths and whole lies?

But, i do think they did play this silly game.......
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:57 AM
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21. i think it was just cheeky, albiet, stupid writing.
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:50 AM
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26. well, it was still rude
what happened to all the good writers?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:32 PM
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11. I'd class this as a big advantage for HRC
Older voters are much more reliable at getting to the polls than younger voters.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:38 PM
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15. It is. And I'm sure the polls reflect this. But the young crowd can be the 'X' Factor if they show
Most of the polls we see do not usually take into account the young vote because they mostly all have cell phones. With most polls showing a three-way tie, if there is an increase, even up to 8-10% as someone in the article says, this might be able to push Obama to the top.

We will find out in a little over a week I guess.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:12 PM
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18. It's gonna be a looooong week. :)
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:20 PM
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19. Here in NJ no one I know is voting for her.
I'm 50.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:55 AM
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20. Really? I know some NJers who are voting for her.
They're college-aged, though.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 03:02 AM
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24. Where are you?
I'm in Hudson County and I don't know a Democrat who's NOT voting for Hillary.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:45 AM
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25. She has a lot of support in NJ beginning with Gov. Corzine in March.
The endorsements from officials are great, but the local groups of citizens backing her is amazing.


Thanks for the update from your county.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:10 AM
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29. 3 weeks ago NJ Straw caucus
Hillary, Biden & Richardson lost in the 1st rnd, Kucinich lost in the 2nd rnd, Obama lost in the 3rd to Edwards. These were hardcore voters that vote in primaries.

We shall see.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:08 AM
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28. Montclair, it has to do with the circles I traval in
DFA, PDA, etc
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:38 AM
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22. This is probably right. My grandparents are very pro hillary
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 01:42 AM by loveangelc
and I cannot stand her (im 20). On Facebook, Barack Obama use to have one of the biggest political facebook groups, but now its the Stop Hillary facebook group. I really don't know anyone my age who likes her except maybe one person actually...

im off to open presents :D
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:20 AM
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27. I think it's brain damage from taking ecstasy...
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 07:22 AM by Perry Logan
...or blood poisoning from nose-rings.
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