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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:13 PM
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Poll question: Are unions that don't support Obama really just "special interest" groups?
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 07:13 PM by Lirwin2
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:17 PM
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1. Push-poll much?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:19 PM
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3. another day, another push poll
i think i'll go start one. :think:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:18 PM
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2. Present. Unions are special-interest groups.
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 07:20 PM by Occam Bandage
Not all special interests are malign interests.

To select either answer would be misleading. Unions are not evil, but they are special interest groups. Therefore, I vote 'present.'

It's kind of interesting how the anti-Obama push polls actually tend to demonstrate how "present" is often the best vote.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:19 PM
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4. No they are not
The same as the "special interest" groups that run D.C., and I think this whole thing Obama has started will come back to bite him in the butt! I don't know who's idea this was to go after Edwards and make such a stink out of the two 527's that have come out, but it was a terrible idea. I keep hearing about the "negative" ads, but have yet to see one Obama supporter post a link to anything negative. These unins have a right to do what they are doing, and just becuase they don't support Obama does not make them some kind of "special interest" group!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 07:53 PM
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5. They may not be a corporate "special interest" or "Israeli special interest",
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 07:53 PM by igil
but they represent their members, or, rather, a plurality of their membership (perhaps a majority, but that's not necessarily a valid claim)--not all Americans.

They are all special interest groups. AIPAC is one. Greenpeace is another. So's PETA and the American Enterprise Institute, the AFL-CIO and the lobbyists that represent ATT and Exxon. The University of California Students Association is yet another special interest group, as are the UC Regents.

Each group represents a subset of the American population, sometimes a very small one--the Exxon lobbyists presumably represent a plurality of Exxon shareholders, no more than that, while Greenpeace represents a plurality of its membership. They may claim to represent everybody, but if a group goes to Pelosi and says, "We represent the burgeoning membership of the XYZ organization, currently at 18 people," Pelosi will find some pressing papercut issue to deal with. The graduate teaching assistant union I paid dues to in '89 and '90 represented not me per se, but a plurality of the people that voted for the union's officers; it did not represent the students that we taught, nor the graduate students that weren't currently teaching--in fact, a couple of the positions it took worked against the majority of the grad students.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:03 PM
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6. that`s one of the most obnoxious polls i have seen on du
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 09:03 PM by madrchsod
just because the illinois 31 does`t support hillary you cast dispersions on it`s membership which my wife is a member of and much to my dismay is voting for hillary.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:41 AM
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8. actually, this has nothing to do with Hillary
This is about the Obama-Edwards thing. Edwards is in the right on this one.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:28 AM
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7. Unions back Hillary because they see a winner. The clock punching class
have little patience with candidates who try to sell them "pie-in-the-sky".
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:29 AM
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9. Every group is a 'special interest,' regardless of who they support
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:59 PM
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14. Bingo! n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:34 AM
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10. I find it interesting that of the three front-runners,
Obama wins the least union support. While Edwards and Clinton receive the most support from working class people and those in unions, Obama's main demographic are college kids and the upper middle class. Man of the people? I think not...........
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:37 AM
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11. What are unions down to, like 7-9% now? nm
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:16 PM
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12. It's not about the unions, it's about the union members.
I am often at odds with my union on political choices.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:26 PM
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13. And racist, to boot!!
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 01:26 PM by MNDemNY
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:39 PM
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15. All unions are special interest groups
And I have no problem with special interest groups. Just don't think that they should be allowed to contribute to candidates.
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