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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:02 PM Original message |
NYT: Questions arise about Hillary's 'experience' as First Lady |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. How the hell do they know if Hillary was or was not "barely speaking to her husband." -??? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I thought it was widely reported that the Clinton's were barely speaking during the Monica debacle. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. It is a delving into personal matters that wasn't cool when the repukes did it, |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I didn't agree with it either, but if you get called in front of the law |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Is that all you take away from Bill Clinton's adminsitration? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Did we not spend the last few years of the Clinton administration on this waste of time? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You seem to want to hold the victim of a lynch mob guilty. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Well I wish we had had some Al Gore days... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Wow. Yeah, it's all Bill Clinton's fault. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I believe that George Bush's election is mostly attributable |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I think voter fraud and a politically active supreme court played a bigger part imho |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Yes that is part of it, but I think the psyche of the country was very affected by the Lewinsky |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I'm sorry to keep this up, but did you really want him to testify he'd had sex with Monica? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Do I think people should tell the truth in a court of law? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. He was acquitted.The law was served. Now what the hell does any of this have to do with Hillary? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The original thread was whether Hillary and Bill were really |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I don't know how anyone could know how much they talked. But aq supposedly targetted Bill. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:08 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Sure she gets some privacy if it has nothing to do with |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. Thanks for all your points, dkf. amd |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:34 PM Original message |
Hillary can't have it both ways |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
16. How BIll and Hillary handled, personally, the Lewinsky "scandal" is their own damn business. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. No, you can't leave her personal life out of it when she's claiming that as her "experience" |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Well, she's said that they weren't speaking much, but |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Major anti-Hillary spin - using quotes from a clerk under SOS Albright rather than Albright herself |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Looks like Resume inflation of the highest order. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. A LOT of US Senate Dems voted for the IWR. They were misled. Obama himself said he didn't know |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I wasn't misled. |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Lets stick with the facts: Obama clearly spoke out against the war from the start. nm |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. And he also said he didn't know how he would have voted. He ALSO said |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. See post # 14. nm |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Like that erases his other statements. How do you know which ones to believe? |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. If you are an Obamanation you choose the one that suits your point and discard the other... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Obama explained he said that in 2004 because he didn't want to make Kerry/Edwards look bad. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. SO he said something he didn't really mean for political expediency. So is he being straight now? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. So you would've preferred if he dissed Kerry/Edwards & said, "No way I would've voted for IWR!" |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I would like him to tell me where he stands, honestly, without political calculation. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Obama did so on 2 October 2002 when he stood and gave a public speech denouncing an Iraq war |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. was that before or after he decided he didn't know how he'd have voted? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It was 9 days before Hillary voted to give Bush a blank check for preemptive war with Iraq... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I am asking you about OBAMA - not Hillary. All you ever do is try to deflect. Says a hell of a lot. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:14 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Obama stood publicly against the war on October 2, 2002. Hillary voted for IWR on October 11, 2002 |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Then in 04 he said there wasn't much difference between him and bush on Iraq. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. How about we show the context and actual response by Obama, shall we? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. So his answer was to avoid the question. I can see why you like him. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. lol! His answer explained things beautifully; your dishonest spin is Hillaryous! |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Ha! Hit a nerve, eh? You really can't argue your contrived points, can you? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 03:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I've laid it all out. People will decide for themselves. Your turn: Why did Hillary vote for IWR? |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Exactly. nm |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
48. He said something he didn't really mean for political expediency? That's his excuse? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. Yes, he said something for Kerry/Edwards' political expediency. That's called |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hillary's problem is not "inexperience." It's that she's too plugged in to the same old |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. ditto. nm |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Begala, Carville, Gergen....the whole lot of them to the Dumpster |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Very well said. n/t |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
32. she claims to be the best person for the job |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
81. Precisely... |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. New York Whore Times....SSDD....or SSDW(different writer) |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. How come you never say that about Paul Krugman's "New York Whore Times" Op-Eds? |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. lol. good point. nm |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
70. That's exactly why. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
82. yeah pretty much. an empty shell of one too. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Ah, yes... attack the Times when it isn't playing cute with Hillaryland... |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
56. touchy, touchy ... looks like someone is hitting a nerve |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
42. Proposed response for Hillary44 and other Hillaryland sites |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. lol. Thats what I got out of the article. nm. |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. lol. good point. nm |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Yep, that about sums it up!! |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. do you sleep better at night thinking that all of us who dislike Hillary have no good reason? |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
59. It would be so much more honest to just admit Hillary has the experience...and move on. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
62. The media is covering every base: Newsweek says the opposite |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
64. I always check out the author of political pieces like this |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. thanks--great work |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Can you refute (or better yet, your candidate) refute any of these NYT 'right-wing lies' ? nm |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. the one that jumped out at me with the cursory reading was |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Good find, thanks! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
68. And remember when Bill said, a couple months ago, that the failure of the healthcare reform |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
71. Sadly Obama lacks First Lady experience. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. True... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Well, it will all be over soon and we will see |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. True... |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
76. Pretty laughable actually. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. So then you think Hillary was speaking to her husband who just admitted to cheating on her again? |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. It's not a soap opera. If we let people turn it into that... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. It's their reality. And it DOES affect them politically as well as affecting US |
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