"I don't like the idea that Social Security benefits are going to immigrants who just swam across"

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Many Iowa Conservatives Still Undecided

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071225/undecided-gop/

Of Romney, retiree Judie Cain of Council Bluffs, Iowa, says, "I like his take on immigration."

"I'm on Social Security now, and I don't like the idea that it's going to immigrants when I paid in it all my life, and they just swam across," says Cain. In fact, only legal immigrants are entitled to Social Security benefits, and illegal immigrants pay millions of dollars a year in Social Security taxes.

"Now, I know Huckabee is probably a good candidate, too, but I don't think he's as intelligent," she said.

:scared:

[K Gardner]

1. Those "swimmers" outmaneuver the cyclers and hang-gliders every time ! n/t

[panader0]

2. Dig the John Lee Hooker pic and quote.................

[Stuart G]

3. and what about those that pay into socail security and never get a dime..

Hundreds of thousands of so called "illegal immigrants pay into social security and never get a dime. They have money deducted from their jobs, and due to fear, and bad social numbers, they get absolutely nothing back..ever..
..Why ?

Most are frightened to file..because of this attitude toward them and the increasing intolerance toward them. The money going in, probably exceeds the money going out. Why knows?
..Now..this is also true of the millions of dollars that these same, so called "illegals" pay in taxes. Of course, taxes and social security are deducted from payroll checks, so they do not file tax returns for the same reason above. They don't want the government looking into them. And the U.S. Government keeps their money. for ever...........

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. Ummm...

Far too sophisticated an argument for a mind like Judy's. She's simply white, angry and apparently, dumber than a ditch carp. Hooked on her daily two hours of hate from her favorite right-wing radio screamer.

[Fried Bread]

11. lol

[sakabatou]

5. Does somewone need a WAAAAHmbulence?

[EVDebs]

6. $300 billion in the 'earnings suspense file' according to

"Here's the drill: People enter the country illegally, promptly procure bogus Social Security cards from the black market, and use them to get jobs. Eventually they get paid, and those earnings generate W-2s that go to the Social Security Administration, which tucks them away in something called the "earnings suspense file." (The government does try to notify some of the larger employers that Social Security cards they've accepted appear to be phony, but that's about the extent of its efforts to figure out where all this money is coming from.) According to the best estimates of the Social Security Administration, the fund has kept track over the last 20 years of more than $300 billion in total earnings – the vast majority of them attributable to illegal immigrants."

RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR. THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
Illegal immigrants and Social Security
April 10, 2005
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050410/news_mz1e10ruben.html

It also appears that 'identity theft' could be charged but no one mentions how these numbers match up to illegal recipients and legitimate SS# holders

Bush plans push on immigrant laws, fines
Senate rejected initiatives in June
By Nicole Gaouette, Los Angeles Times | August 10, 2007

"The 25 measures -- some new and some that expand on current policies -- come in addition to the expected announcement of a plan to crack down on illegal immigrants by forcing employers to fire workers with discrepancies in their Social Security information...

Under the plan, the Department of Homeland Security will ask states to share driver's license photos and records with an electronic employment-verification system that federal contractors will be required to use."

Under the guise of this illegal immigration crackdown a futher crackdown and suppression of legitimate dissenters can be added as an afterthought. Well, it was predetermined but it just looks like an afterthought. Think of the original REX84 plans for the same thing, rounding up undesireables.

If they could just fine the hell out of the corporations I think this could have worked.

[nealmhughes]

7. They no longer swim across! They are airlifted by gay abortion doctors from S.F.

Everyone knows that! Then they all get PhDs and a single suite at the local Sanctuary Sheraton while living off their stipends from the Methodist and Episcopal, UU and Roman Catholic Churches. Duuh.

I understand they had to put huevos rancheros con caviar on the room service menu there at the Sanctuary Sheratons.

[jody]

8. Cain may not have stated her concern eloquently but she is correct and many voters are with her. n/t

[Tactical Progressive]

9. Judie is why we want Iowa providing the initial direction for America's election season

The sentiment and the 'gut feel' of wholesome, "heartland" people from places like Iowa is perfect for setting the starting lineup for our Presidential election season. With people like Judie asking questions and demanding answers, presumably as she looks the candidates straight in the eye, like honest, straightforward, "heartland" people do, we can all rest assured that the candidates will understand the real issues important to Americans everywhere.

Of course, if Judie did a little more reading and a little less rancor, she'd know that immigrants don't 'swim across' any more. They take the ferry in their new Cadillacs, while dining on steak and lobster dinners with their families, all paid for by welfare checks from Uncle Sam. But really, why quibble about details.

[Fried Bread]

10. A person who pays social security taxes should receive benefits.