Obama: "There's an air of eloquent naivete about him."

[wyldwolf]

Barack Obama's soaring, inspirational message seems to work its magic on most voters in his audiences, sending them off with a warm and fuzzy we-can-change-the-world feeling.

Not Stan Potratz.

"There's just an air of eloquent naivete about him," Potratz, 62, said after a town hall meeting here last week.

......

Challenging Obama face-to-face last week, Potratz said, "You can talk better than the other people. But there's a certain unreality about listening to you."

"I don't think those Republicans are going to roll over and play dead," continued Potratz...

Natalie Rhebb, 51, a preschool teacher from West Des Moines who is considering Obama, Clinton, John Edwards and Joe Biden, said she thought Obama delivered a "very passionate" presentation in Waukee, Iowa, last week.

But when asked whether he had enough experience, she replied, "I don't know."

Last week, after an Obama event in Nashua, N.H., Lois Ayer, 61, an English teacher, said the senator was "inspiring," but she prefers Clinton "because I like her grasp of the facts."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/26/2007-12-26_barack_obama_still_faces_doubts.html

[Armstead]

1. Hillary's grasp of the facts?

The only facts she seems to grasp are those which have been filtered through strategists and polls.

[NYCGirl]

2. I like Obama's response to Mr. Potratz:

The first-term senator assured Potratz he's not naive. Obama said he's accustomed to Chicago's rough-and-tumble politics. He said he knows how to stand his ground, but would invite Republicans and independents into the fold.

"What I know is you don't start out by making enemies, you start out by looking for allies. And, then, if you find enemies, you knock 'em down," Obama said. "That's part of how I want to break the gridlock."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/26/2007-12-26_barack_obama_still_faces_doubts.html

[Armstead]

4. That was a good answer

[wyldwolf]

5. which is more of what Potratz called "warm and fuzzy we-can-change-the-world..." talk

[NYCGirl]

12. The world could use some changing. NT

[AtomicKitten]

34. indeed

cheers!

[SOS]

22. Mr. Potratz prefers someone less "warm and fuzzy"

From Opensecrets.org:

POTRATZ, STAN MR
Washington, IA
$500
John McCain

[BeyondGeography]

25. So this whole thread is about what one Republican thinks

Funny.

[Moochy]

26. The OP has the touch of gold!

Wyldwolf may walk like a duck but he's no duck. He's a wolf, and he's Wyld.

[maximusveritas]

39. Yikes. He's a McCain supporter? He sounds like a concern troll.

I did think it was odd that he seemed to be borrowing talking points from both Hillary and Edwards.

[SoxFan]

3. Hillary's base

Grumpy old farts

[wyldwolf]

6. who vote, in contrast to Obama's base...

... young idealistic toots with stars in their eyes who, traditionally, don't vote in large numbers.

[Moochy]

8. In my day

We had to walk 15 miles uphill, both ways to get the stars placed in our eyes! Tarnations!

[JackORoses]

35. admit it Wylie, you Hillarites are running scared.

Now your using the opinion of a Repuke to attack Obama.
What's next, a quote from Bush disparaging Obama?

[wyldwolf]

42. admit it, HackORoses

You're clueless.

[JackORoses]

45. Here's a clue for you, Willie. Quoting Repugs on DU doesn't win anyone over.

In fact, it has the putrid odor of a stagnant and decaying Campaign.

But don't worry, once the worst is over for you, we will welcome you back into the Democratic fold with open arms.

[wyldwolf]

48. hackORoses, quoting RW sources is what Obamanation does.

I don't investigate every person quoted in every article. Yet, Obamanation quotes Hannity, Limbaugh, and every other RW sleaze bag.

[JackORoses]

50. so were you or were you not quoting a Repuke as an attack on Obama

What you call 'Obamanation' is now actually a conglomerate of those people who have been with Obama from the start and those people like me who initially supported Gore or another candidate but now realize that the only hope for honest leadership and actual change for this Country is Barack Obama.

While Hillarism is an exclusive club for those who worship at her altar,

what you degrade as 'Obamanation' is an inclusive group which accepts all comers.

And we will welcome you, as well, when our nominee has finally been chosen.

[Nedsdag]

44. Those "young idealistic toots" you talk about

will eventually grow up and vote. Your insults are only hurting your candidate with those same "young idealistic toots."

At one time in your life, wyldwolf, you were a "young idealistic toot." What happened?

[JackORoses]

46. he must have mutated into a Conservative 'Democrat'

[wyldwolf]

49. And when they do, they vote pragmatically

not for someone who makes them feel warm and fuzzy.

[gmudem]

52. It's nice to know what Hillarites truly think of young voters

Not that there was a chance I was going to vote for her anyway, but disrespect and condescension just make it easier to oppose an already easily opposable candidate.

Obama could be a better candidate, and neither he or Clinton are on Edwards' level, but I certainly trust Obama to change things that need to be changed far more than I trust Hillary to. In fact, I know Hillary will do nothing to change the status quo.

[wyldwolf]

54. I's nice to know what Obamanation thinks of senior citizens

[gmudem]

55. I'm sure it is.

I'm not a member of Obamanation though so I guess I don't know what that means.

[wyldwolf]

56. post 3. You don't know what that means?

[gmudem]

57. I do.

Don't care much though. Probably not a very accurate assessment though. More like "ignorant farts of any age"

[wyldwolf]

58. but in post 55, you didn't.

You share a trait with what you just described.

[gmudem]

59. I apologize for not looking at every single post.

But once again, I'm not a member of Obamanation so I'm not too precoccupied with the names you call anyone who dare not support Madam Inevitable aka the most right wing of all the Democratic candidates.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. Well she's not threatening THEIR

social security is she?

[Missy M]

9. What a ridiculous thing to say....

believe me, "grumpy old farts" have a lot of wisdom.

[TwilightGardener]

10. Hillary's grasp of the facts? Like the ones that led her to vote for Kyl-Lieberman?

Does behind-the-scenes power-jockeying with her husband during his Presidency count as experience now?

[mr715]

13. But Ky-Lieberman didnt mean anything

I mean its obvious. It doesnt matter, thats why OBAMA CHOSE NOT TO VOTE

[TwilightGardener]

14. Not voting is not good. I don't excuse that. Voting wrong to appear

like a pro-Israel security hawk = MUCH WORSE. Kind of like what she did in October 2002.

[NewHampster]

11. wyldwolf let's just say it

Obama stands for everything and everyone but absolutely nothing for certain.

He is vague beyond my craziest flashbacks.

[Armstead]

15. So does Hillary in public

She wants to lead and unite the country, but she wants to demonize Republicans.

She wants to bolster the middle class, but she tells CEO's behind closed doors that she will be supportive of Big Business and Wall St.

She believes we need "change" but that one has to be part of the Establishment to create change.

She makes Obama sound fiery by comparison.

[NewHampster]

16. Sing along with me

Obama
Been
Away
Many
Aday

Obama
Been
Away
Many
Aday

sing it with me...

Obama
Been
Away
Many
Aday

[SoxFan]

17. Stay classy, Fir Street

Give Billy a big hug and a kiss, too

[NewHampster]

19. I kinda like Billy

Obama is all sizzle and no steak.

[emilyg]

28. Singing....

[ClarkUSA]

24. You're also the guy who defended Bill Shaheen and said Obama can't win because he's black

Thanks for your totally unbiased opinion. :puke:

[NewHampster]

27. You must be the one who tried to put those words in my mouth

I do defend Billy, I admit. Never said that about Obama.

[ClarkUSA]

40. DU archives don't lie.

But Bill Shaheen and his apologists do.

[NewHampster]

43. I almost forgot. Happy New Year

[JackORoses]

47. Hillary stands for more of the Same.

I'll take the guy who stands for everyone, anyday.

Got Hope?

[gmudem]

53. Did you manage to type that with a straight face?

Hillary says she wants to get out of Iraq, but wants to keep "combat troops" aka military bases there as long as she is president.

Hillary is the Democratic version of Romney, although not a member of a religious cult. They are both the epitome of finger in the wind, triangulating politicians. Hillary is a little more believable than Romney, but it is painfully obvious that she wouldn't be anything close to what she is now without her husband. Hell it seems like she's trying to make us believe she was the president as much as Bill was, which is a pretty funny story for someone to tell for someone with no security clearance.

[Beacool]

18. I'm glad that some people see right through him.

Substance over mere oratory will win at the end of the day.

[BenDavid]

20. o's answer:baffle em with his brillance-or dazzle em with his bs.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. "There's just an air of eloquent naivete about him,"

Very eloquent, Stan!

[Bonobo]

23. Don't you know how to use colons correctly yet? Go back to school.

[Tellurian]

29. Obama is Preacher material not Presidential Timber

He inspires his audience like a preacher does in a Sunday morning sermon. A preacher preaches Hope through inspiration and that is precisely the definition of Barack Obama's mainstream theme...preaching HOPE!

We need a proven "doer" for president not a candidate preaching platitudes and vague promises..

[PresidentObama]

30. You know who else preached hope? Bill Clinton.

And he delievered.

Was he Preacher material?

I don't think so.

He was one of the greatest Democratic Presidents of all time.

[Tellurian]

31. Bill Clinton didn't only preach.. he practiced what he preached

and he delivered! So far, all Obama has delivered are his oratory skills.

[PresidentObama]

32. As a candidate, just like Obama, he merely preached hope.

He practiced what he preached as President.

And he did deliver.

And so can Senator Obama...

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. actions speak louder than words. Barack has words but no action.

[Tellurian]

37. Obama is nothing like Bill Clinton, Kennedy, Lincoln, FDR..

Obama is nothing more than a media creation, who can't hold a candle to the accomplishments of those mentioned above, nor of Hillary Clinton.

[babylonsister]

41. He delivered all right.

:eyes:

[CyberPieHole]

36. But...but...those people must be racists...

otherwise they would support him. Don't you see that Obama is inevitable? Only racists are opposed to him. You HAVE to support him or you are a racist too.:sarcasm:

[NewHampster]

38. and I oppose Lieberman too

so this Jew must be anti-semitic and racist.

[Andromeda]

51. Hillary will win because....

when it comes down to the nitty gritty people will vote for the person most qualified to lead the country and they're not going to take a chance on an unknown who is long on talk and short on substance.

Hillary is good in small groups and people like her close up. She's smart and knows the issues more than anybody else. She does have a grasp of the facts which might be boring to some but necessary when it comes to implementating positive change in this country.

I trust Hillary more than any other candidate and I would trust her instincts more than the other top two candidates.