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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:05 PM
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I’ve Switched to Hillary
PRESS RELEASE.

Muscatine County Ironworker and Former Barack Obama Labor Steering Committee Member Switches Support to Hillary as Momentum on the Ground Continues to Grow


DES MOINES, IA — As the Clinton campaign’s momentum continues to build in Iowa, the campaign spotlighted Bob McFadden of Muscatine County, an ironworker and former Barack Obama campaign labor steering committee member, who has switched his support to Hillary Clinton.

McFadden switched to Hillary because he wants a candidate who has the strength and experience to enact real solutions to the country’s big challenges.

“Hillary Clinton won’t just talk the talk – she cares about the issues important to all of us and will work to change the direction of our country,” McFadden said. “I support Hillary because she has the strength and experience to enact universal health care and deliver the real solutions our country needs.”

As momentum continues to grow for Hillary’s candidacy, more and more Iowans are deciding to caucus for her on January 3rd. Hillary will launch the “Big Challenges, Real Solutions Tour – Time to Pick a President Tour” on December 26th. During the tour, Hillary Clinton will outline the challenges that Americans face at home and around the world and how her unique background makes her the most qualified person to be the next President of the United States.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4914
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:07 PM
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1. That's as real as it gets
:thumbsup:
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:56 PM
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39. Speaking of real....
UPDATE: Just a few hours after the Clinton campaign's announcement, the Obama campaign announced that Kent Sovern, who was named Iowa co-chair of the Clinton campaign’s Veterans Committee last week, was now an Obama supporter.

“I believe Sen. Obama has the judgment and courage to stand up for America’s veterans and find a responsible way to get our combat troops out of Iraq,” said Sovern, in a statement released by the campaign. “We can trust him to tell us the truth on the tough issues – even when it’s not convenient.”
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:28 PM
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58. that doesn't count
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:08 PM
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2. that's what I keep hearing time and again
people genuinely like Obama, but they believe Hillary has the experience and familiarity with what it takes to be President to take the lead and start working from Day One. I don't know if Obama learning on-the-job after a few years as US Senator makes people feel all that comfortable. Especially in light of the monumental challenges we face as a Country.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:50 PM
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18. I agree ...
That is a real sentiment.
I know there has been a lot of criticism over whether or not that is genuine, or just spin -- but I believe Hillary knows what the feeling of the public is at the moment. She is a smart politician -- and we can criticize that all we want here, but we need a winner folks. The stakes are too high.

I think that gets at the heart of why Hillary will win -- because she has the machine, has the history, has the passion and the political courage to win.

W.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:17 PM
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28. kick and recommend. BTW, nice pic of Hillary.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:23 PM
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31. Airbrushed to appear that which she aint. Just like her politics.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:40 PM
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35. How does BHO hide the ravages of his cocaine use?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:29 PM
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59. i think he has the same cosmetologist
as Hillary; the one who erased the blood stains of god knows how many bodies now.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:09 PM
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43. You beat me to that one.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:25 PM
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53. Airbrushed?
So explain this picture I took myself.

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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:15 PM
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56. Not airbrushed and great lighting. Are you a professional?
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 07:25 PM by Danieljay
Even an amateur gets luckly now and then. Unlike the original airbrushed/digitally doctored one mentioned previously. Hey, even the guy in the back looks good. And how bout that detail of the guy she just gave a noogie to in front of her? And great great job at capturing her essence with the fiery red eyes, they match her red outfit perfectly.

Sorry, hard to resist.. she such an easy political target as most polished politicians are. Hardly an agent of change.

To think that I'll actually have to vote for her as simply the better choice if she wins the general disturbs me. I'm sick and tired of voting for the better of two evil's.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:58 AM
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82. Women have faced the looks test forever ...
If Hillary wants to airbrush a public photo -- then so be it.

She is scrutinized and attacked every single day.
And such things like your post only perpetuate this country's obsession with looks.

We have Rush asking America if they really want to see a woman age!
But a man -- a man can age before our eyes just fine.

Bill Clinton looks terrible and tired right now.
But nobody has mentioned that.

I am sick of these below the belt hits on a lady with a lot of greatness.
She has done amazing things -- whether you like her or not.

She inspires me.
W.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:38 PM
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88. The only thing more fun than poking fun at Hillary (and its not about looks or her being a woman)
are those supporters who are so reactionary as to make it about something that it is not. The woman is a well polished calculating politician and the airbrushed photo epitomizes her well.

Interesting response. I mean, who airbrushed the photo? Her campaign? One of her supporters? Certainly not me. Seems she herself is perpetuating the country's obsession with looks. Oh, and who made her wear the dress that showed cleavage? Certainly not me. Was she herself succumbing to the country's obsession with sex? I wasn't. And who mentioned anything about aging? Certainly not me. Oh, I think it may have been you. And who mentioned how terrible and tired Bill Clinton looks now? Certainly not me, was it you? Is it you perhaps that has the issues you are projecting out upon the rest of us?

Hmmm.

Amazing things? I'm not so sure.

But I'll give you this. I'll vote for her if she wins the general. Though I don't trust her a bit.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:54 PM
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91. Maybe Obama should airbrush those freakin' Dumbo ears ....
Since it's apparently OK to attack one candidate's appearance (which, by the way, reeks of sexism), let's attack all of them. Obama looks about as goofy as a certain Disney canine. What's with those ears? And can't he grow some damn hair?

See how ridiculous this is?

Bake
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:29 PM
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92. Speaking of ears... how bout that Ross Perot? We make fun of the Chimp in Chief all the time...
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 05:16 PM by Danieljay
If we can dish it out, why can't we take it? Kinda gets me about so called progressives and Liberal Dems. Do we not laugh and say that George Bush resembles a chimp and that he is dumb as a box of hammers? I do.

Hell, I have a nose that lies somewhere between Barbara Streisand and Jamie Farr. (I'm still handsome though and have a keen sense of smell). I'm sure if I ran for office I'd get a dose of the same.

Interesting. Make fun of Bush and its funny. Make fun of Hillary and suddenly you are sexist. Make fun of Obama and I'd probably be a racist.

Go figure.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:48 PM
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97. Right ...
Admittedly -- I am inspired by Hillary and I don't like her getting dissed; especially on issues that aren't really important.

We can pretend like she doesn't face challenges as a woman -- but as a son of a single mother, I have too much respect for women.

And as a gay man -- I have always been protected by women; my entire life.

I think having a woman running this country would be a refreshing, refreshing change.

W.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:01 PM
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98. I totally agree with you. I'm just not sure that Hillary is the right 'woman' for the job...
but I guess she's all we got.

Personally, having surrounded myself with women in my life, I agree that a woman president would be good for the planet.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:07 PM
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99. Look at that Danny ...
We found an agreement somewhere.
How very Democratic.

You've given me hope for this forum.

Personally -- I try my best to keep my focus on being pro-Hillary, as opposed to Anti-Others. I think that's a responsible way to support your candidate.

With that said -- I have not always followed this rule.
I live in a very liberal neighborhood now and I have blown up at times at the Anti-Liberal sentiments of all-or-nothing. To contrast that, I grew up in a very white-racist neighborhood. They're 3 miles away from each other. This country is so diverse.

More to the point ... to discount the opinions of the South -- to simply dismiss them as stupid or religious or ... is foolish and a losing philosophy.

We need to win.

W.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. I think ...
Obama is a very attractive man.
He dresses well too. :)

We have pretty candidates. LOL
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:45 PM
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93. :-)
That's fine.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:56 AM
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84. Great photo ....
She looks presidential (to me).
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:23 PM
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101. That's because you SAY it twenty times a damn day. Duh. nm
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:10 PM
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3. Sounds like the biggest crock of crap I've heard in awhile... I doubt...
that the guy was ever anything but a Hillary supporter from the get-go....
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:10 PM
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6. Talk about crap...
:rofl:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:20 PM
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8. Link
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:21 PM
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9. Thank you!
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:25 PM
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32. I second
Interesting, that he switches a week away from the caucus. And his reason for switching has been Hilliary's main selling point since she started this campaign? Why was he not convinced when she announced, why now? :shrug:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:39 PM
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34. An obvious attack against the whole of the obamanation!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:59 AM
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85. How do you want your sour grapes?
whole or mashed?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:10 PM
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4. If Edwards gets blown out of the primaries
by the time we vote down here in Florida, then I may switch my support to Hillary-why? Even though I really don't like her positions on Iraq and Iran I see her as electable. sadly, as much as I like Obama I don't see him as a winning candidate...blacks just don't and won't get elected president in this United States...I don't make the rules and I don't LIKE that rule but it is what it is...a fact
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:23 PM
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11. If they manage to "Dean" Edwards, I'm leaving for Canada ----
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:53 PM
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20. yeah, because Steven Harper's such a liberal. n/t
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:03 PM
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41. He's arguably to the left of the Democratic front-runners.
Not that moving to another country solely because the third place guy doesn't win is a good idea.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:33 PM
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66. Edward's is the first place non-DLC guy . . .!
Though I might get an argument from Dennis Kucinich voters here . . .
and I think I'm one of them!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:19 PM
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44. Steven Harper would do to Canada what Chimp did to the US if he could.
The reason he CAN'T is because opposition parties up there actually have a spine.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:34 PM
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67. ...or they don't have corporate entanglements? Nor a party co-opted by corp interests?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:17 PM
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27. Don't you have to be the frontrunner to be "Deanned?"
:shrug:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:08 PM
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48. You at least have to be a frontrunner.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
65. Do you have to be Iraq to be "Bushed" . . . ?
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:26 PM
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13. The primaries in FL are on Jan 29. Feb 5th is the make you, break you
day that they all campaign for... Deciding to switch your vote before then is ludicrous.. Besides, the delgates do not get to vote, no matte what shill Nelson is peddling.. the decision has been upheld in every court so far.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:28 PM
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14. The empirical evidence shows that is not true.
I see her as electable. sadly, as much as I like Obama I don't see him as a winning candidate...blacks just don't and won't get elected president in this United States...I don't make the rules and I don't LIKE that rule but it is what it is...a fact

The polling shows that this fear is misguided. According to every general election hypothetical matchup, Clinton does worse than Obama (Edwards does best of all).



See my post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3883452&mesg_id=3885074.

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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:57 PM
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21. This is misleading ...
This is without a general election process.

Political junkies know that a General Election Campaign is run much differently from a Primary Election Campaign and none of these candidates are in General Election mode. Many of them just want to win the first couple states to then boost them to the win; so they're not even campaigning nationally.

Campaigning is a skill and a marathon.
Hillary Clinton is the only one of the Dems with the tenacity and ferocity to run nationally. She has done this before and she will do it again. None of their candidates can stand up to her; she works harder than any of them, period.

We should celebrate that we have a woman with this kind of leadership ability here in the US. Where are the liberals for women's empowerment? :-)

W.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:08 PM
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23. That's bogus.
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 02:09 PM by JohnLocke
Hillary Clinton is the only one of the Dems with the tenacity and ferocity to run nationally.

Dozens of HRC supporters (and HRC herself) have made some variant on this remark, and I think it's absurd assertion. So can Richardson not run a campaign? What about Biden? Or Obama? Or Dodd? Edwards ran in a solid red state and defeated an incumbent Republican, and has said he will continue to http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/12/think-the-2008.html">call the Republican candidates out on their false and misleading attacks.

I'm sure HRC can win (it will be much harder than if Edwards or Obama are nominated, but possible). But HRC has only run for elected office a single time, in a solidly blue state. To say that "Hillary is the only one of the Dems with the tenacity and ferocity to run nationally" completely ignores the obvious political skill of our other fine candidates.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:20 PM
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29. That picture you have
of hillary with the heart-conviction-responsibility thingy..is the Biggest Bunch Of Bullcrap since hillary voted for the IWR and the vile kyl-liemberman Bill and all points in between.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. blech... She's as politically airbrushed as that photo in your signature. n/t
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
45. "Where are the liberals for women's empowerment?"
Where's a liberal woman to vote for?

Sure as Hell isn't Hillary.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:30 PM
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60. ..
:thumbsup:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #21
46. I am Hillbot, hear me roar
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #46
62. *snort*
:rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #21
68. You want me to celebrate a DLC candidate who tried to knock off McCain-Feingold?
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #21
81. haha ...
Listen --
You all can call me anything you'd like.

I am a boy living in Baltimore City, MD -- grew up in a poor neighborhood on the East side of the city in lower income housing. But that's just a bit about this "Hillbot."

Hillary and I don't always agree. But as I look around me in my life, I realize that nobody I truly respect in this world would ever agree with me on all points.

And as I travel around this country, I realize that there is diversity here. We are politically diverse with views going up and down the spectrum.

We cannot have it all -- not even as liberals.
All-or-Nothing is absurd.

Hillary is exceptional and I am proud of her.
She gives me hope and when my mom watches her, she cries -- because Hillary represents health care she can't afford -- and Hillary represents a chance for America to be better again.

W.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. baloney. We don't know that Obama can't be elected, and
in fact, matched up against the pukes, he does better than Clinton.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
42. I think that argument has been blown to tiny bits
in every other aspect of American life. Maybe it's time to apply it to the Presidential race.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
89. cool! : ). she's not perfect, but she's a good lady. : )
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:10 PM
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5. Swear to God, all you have to do is look at the record.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:19 PM
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7. "her unique background"
What is that, exactly?
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. Well...
Iraq War

Kyl-Lieberman

Mark Penn

Monsanto

Timbaland

Wolfson

PhRMA

astro-turfing

Glover Park Group

Rupert Murdoch

Death penalty

Campaign Finance Reform

student voter disenfranchisement

her ability to rally Republicans to vote against her

more of the same DLC crap

Children's Defense Fund

Chris Lehane

Cluster bombs amendment vote

Marriage as a career advancement opportunity

Pfizer (see PhRMA)

"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation." - Hillary Clinton voting to give Bush authority to attack Al Qaeda in Iraq. 10/10/02

"We are the President."
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #17
49. You had me at Iraq War.
"Marriage as a career advancement opportunity" really cinched the deal, though.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #49
61. Heh.
That was from a line I used to my attorney as she read over the prenup I had just written.

"Are you sure you want to sign this?"

"Marriage should not be a career advancement opportunity."

Raised eyebrows. "Oooookay."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:38 PM
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69. Hillary background: Republican . . . and/or Republican-lite
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:55 PM
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72. I'm saddened that her loudest trumpets here haven't taken the time to answer.
To be expected.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:59 PM
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73. They totally avoid DLC-candidate/DLC-corporate sponsored discussions ---
that I've seen so far ---

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:00 PM
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74. I've noticed that.
Speaks loudly, IMO.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:02 PM
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75. They never do.
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 10:04 PM by TheWatcher
Because they can't.

It's really that simple.

Or, they dismiss it all as conspiracy theory, taken out of context, right-wing smears, hate speech, sexism, Why Do You Hate The Democratic Party, etc, etc, etc.

My God, it's almost like they are beginning to sound like.....

Oh, I'd better not.

They are such a thin-skinned lot as it is.....

And heaven help us, I MUST not break any DU Rules.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:22 PM
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10. I've totally ruled out Hillary ---
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:06 PM
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76. Because you know her record and you do not live in a Rose-Tinted Matrix World of
Denial.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:24 PM
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12. Funny how he uses the same words as the Clinton Spin
"I support Hillary because she has the strength and experience to enact universal health care and deliver the real solutions our country needs.” As momentum continues to grow for Hillary’s candidacy, more and more Iowans are deciding to caucus for her on January 3rd. Hillary will launch the “Big Challenges, Real Solutions Tour.<<<

Maybe the guy had his reasons for switching, but his words sound like they've been washed by the Clinton Message Machine.


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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:40 PM
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15. I'm surprised that he didn't call her an 'Agent of Change'.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:02 PM
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22. He started with Obama and the message "hope and change", saw Obama was full of shit.
Now with the winner, Hillary.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:27 PM
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33. No, he changed his mind when he heard Bill was against the Iraq war "from the beginning"
:rofl:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:49 PM
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36. Or, upon removing his head from BHO' ass...
received enough oxygen to come to his senses.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:07 PM
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47. ...
:rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:40 PM
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70. Hillary is pro-insurance companies and has a DLC-dead-eye lock on privatizing Social Security!!!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:09 AM
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86. That's a bunch of crap!
Hillary would never support privatizing Social Security.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:18 PM
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100. Evidently, that's what the DLC has in mind . . .
What do they call it --- their "Dream agenda"???
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:44 PM
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16. Thanks ...
Nice to see some balance.

W.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:13 PM
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24. Excellent,
I hope we see more of these switches before the caucus. :-)
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:14 PM
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25. You. Must. Stop. This. Billy.
After all, it's only one person one vote.

K&R :toast: :toast:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:15 PM
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26. And thats one more vote for Hillary.
:)
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:06 PM
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77. And one more nail in the coffin of the country.
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 10:07 PM by TheWatcher
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:46 PM
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96. wow. don't go overboard or anything.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:51 PM
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37. OOps..time to bring back that Obama operative who ripped the Hillary sign off her lawn
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 02:51 PM by KennedyGuy
and replaced it with an Obama sign..
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:53 PM
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38. Last count that makes them even in the supporter switcheroo derby.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:21 PM
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51. It looks like Obama just pulled ahead
"UPDATE: Just a few hours after the Clinton campaign's announcement, the Obama campaign announced that Kent Sovern, who was named Iowa co-chair of the Clinton campaign’s Veterans Committee last week, was now an Obama supporter."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/26/clinton-campaign-highlights-former-obama-supporter/
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:23 PM
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52. One Veteran goes to Obama
A union leader goes to Hillary. I'll take that trade any day!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:29 PM
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54. That veteran was the co-chair of the committee. This guy is just a member
So I think Obama got the better end of that trade.

And I'm not sure how being a union member makes one more valuable than a veteran.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:31 PM
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55. If you saw the full list of Vetrans supporting Hillary, you would understand.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:07 PM
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78. Wouldn't surprise me. Hillary does love wars. nm
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:39 PM
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63. I know Kent Sovern!! Cool!! I never know anyone important!!
He's a person of real integrity! If he's switched, there's a good reason for it!!
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:08 PM
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40. Good on that. kick and recommend
as more people open their eyes and see that Obama is nothing but hot air they will switch their support to more viable candidates...Clinton has the best chance at winning in the GE.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:20 PM
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50. Best chance of winning the GE?
By "GE", do you mean campaign contributions from General Electric? Because I KNOW you didn't mean "General Election".

At least not with a straight face..... :rofl:
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:27 PM
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57. Ya. I'm not so sure about her ability to win a general election. So, do you think it will be
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 07:29 PM by Danieljay
Huckabee or someone else that beats her? I'll vote for her in the general if I have to, but NOT because I believe in her or trust her.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:39 PM
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64. Talk about grasping for straws
This really is getting to be the theater of the absurd.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:09 PM
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79. More like the Desert Of the Surreal
LOOK! LOOK! Someone SWALLOWED THE HILLARY KOOL-AID!

Alert The Media! America WINS!
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:41 PM
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71. Kucinich and Edwards are still the top for me, but Obama's fallen from 3rd to 7th; Dodd and Hillary
are rising to 3rd and 4th.

Hillary is a triangulating centrist, but at least she's running as a triangulating centrist.

Obama is equally triangulating and centrist, but is running a disingenuous campaign as something else. I'm done with him.
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jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:00 PM
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80. Is this typical?
I don't remember reading of endorsers switching candidates in 2004, but my memory's not the greatest...

It sort of seems like the switchers weren't strong supporters, and I have a feeling that could be true of a lot of voters. I was waiting for Clark to run, and when he up and endorsed Hillary, I was in shock for quite a while. Once I started looking closer at the candidates, I was first for Kucinich, then flirted with supporting Dodd, and have recently started considering Hillary. I think it was the combo of Wilson, RKF, Jr and Wes all endorsing her that quieted my fears a little. Not to mention old Clarkies like Tom Rinaldo, Mike Pridmore, and some others who have come out in support of her.

Another (big) factor in making me consider Clinton was this 3 part series at The Left Coaster, "Is Hillary Clinton a 'Corporate Democrat'?" It opened my eyes to how liberal a record she has, and that even though she receives corporate cash, her votes don't support their agenda. I still read daily here and on kos that she's a Corporate Dem. She's not -- at least not any more than any of the other Dems running, with the exception of Kucinich.

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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:54 AM
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83. Welcome...
:pals:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:10 AM
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87. Welcome to the club!!!
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 04:16 AM by Beacool
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:43 PM
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90. Her inauguration is going to be great!
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:46 PM
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95. obama go down da hole hee
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