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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:45 PM
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What do Dodd, Hillary,Obama and Biden...
have to say about corporate greed,poverty,affordable housing and jobs. I am beginning to rethink my choice can someone convince me why I should vote for theirs. I agree with Edwards on the two Americas but, I just don't think that he the one. What does Edwards say about Pakistan,Iraq,Iran and Afghanistan plus dealing with Russia and China?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:52 PM
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1. Well....
here is what Joe recently said about the housing market;

Des Moines, IA (December 21, 2007) – Today, at stops in Iowa, Sen. Joe Biden discussed his plan to help the more than 2 million families caught in the subprime mortgage crisis. Sen. Biden called for immediate action to shore up the housing sector and keep people from losing their homes.

"President Bush's first reaction to the subprime crisis wasn't to help families who might lose their homes, it was to create a $100 billion bailout fund for financial institutions that made bad bets," said Sen. Biden. "Protecting people's investments in their homes should come before insuring executives on Wall Street. Short-term patches and half measures that just help a tiny fraction of people just aren't good enough."

Noting that a strong housing market is fundamental to our economy, Sen. Biden called for a comprehensive plan to keep people from losing their homes by: cracking down on lenders who lure people into loans they cannot afford; modifying existing loans instead of racing to foreclosure; allowing bankruptcy courts to make changes in loans; helping families refinance by expanding access to counseling and affordable federally backed mortgages; and preserving access to credit by stabilizing the mortgage market.

"In a Biden administration, families will come first," said Sen. Biden. "I won't turn my back while people struggle to keep their homes. I would take four steps immediately to restore our economic strength: end the war in Iraq; deal with the crisis in the housing market; get health care costs under control by providing catastrophic coverage and invest in education."

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=113892




And here is what he has said about the jobs;



Every day we see more evidence this economy is not working for middle-class Americans. If we honor work, we have to reward it.”
--Joe Biden

Joe Biden’s Plan to Keep America Working
Protect Worker Rights to Organize: As president, Joe Biden will put a stop to George Bush’s war on labor. Joe Biden is a co-sponsor of the Employee Free Choice Act, and he will always work to ensure workers have the right to join unions without interference from employers.

Defend Workers in Trade Negotiations: Joe Biden believes that US trade negotiations must protect American workers by insisting on basic labor and environmental standards. That’s why he opposed CAFTA and fast track authority for President Bush. He will continue to fight for better labor and environmental standards in trade agreements and will oppose new trade agreements that don’t meet high standards.

Protect Retirement: Joe Biden believes that after a lifetime of work, the last thing people should worry about is their retirement being in jeopardy.

Joe Biden has fought against dangerous plans to privatize Social Security that would slash benefits for future retirees. He also supports making it easier for workers to save for retirement.
Joe Biden has worked to prevent another Enron by authoring new criminal penalties for corporate fraud that robs workers of investments.

Joe Biden is working to protect workers from pension bankruptcy by strengthening the government backstop and insisting that pensions are adequately funded.
Create Green Collar Jobs: As president, Joe Biden will work to create the new jobs that come with a new world. Green-collar jobs will make homes and businesses more energy efficient. Joe Biden has been a leader in the senate, co-sponsoring a worker training program that could help create 3 million new jobs as the U.S. builds a new energy future.

Meet the Demand For New Health Care Workers: Americans are living longer, healthier lives. That’s creating a growing challenge to provide adequate care for all. Estimates indicate we will need to hire more than 100,000 new nurses in the next decade. We will needs thousands of health care workers and aides. Joe Biden believes we can meet that need by investing in more training and attracting people to the profession. He will expand funding for nursing students through increased funding for loan repayment and scholarship programs. Joe Biden also supports retraining laid-off workers as nurses or in other heath care fields.

Joe Biden: Standing with American Workers
Increasing the Minimum Wage: The minimum wage has been stagnant for too long in this country, no one should work a full time job and be too poor to meet their basic needs. Joe Biden supported raising the minimum wage to $7.25 from $5.15 —where it had been stuck for 10 years. As president, Joe Biden will continue to fight hard for better pay for all working Americans, beginning with the minimum wage.

Focusing on Workplace Safety: Joe Biden believes that all employees should be covered by regulations that ensure a safe working environment and their personal safety on the job. He has been a supporter of OSHA regulations since his early days in the Senate and time and time again he has voted to extend OSHA regulations and have vigorously opposed efforts to restrict the application of OSHA coverage.

Defending Overtime: Joe Biden has fought attempts to undermine overtime rights and reduce provide overtime to teachers, nurses, and salespeople.

Protecting Wages for Katrina Workers: Joe Biden fought against the Bush Administration’s attack on workers and helped save Davis-Bacon prevailing wage requirements for the rebuilding of the gulf coast region destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.
Supporting Workers Whose Jobs Have Moved Overseas: Joe Biden has been a strong supporter of Trade Adjustment Programs. He opposes taking resources from the trade adjustment assistance program and believes that we need to make the assistance more substantive for those who qualify. Joe Biden believes we should ensure that all workers who are displaced by technological and economic change have access to resources and opportunities.

Helping Working Families: Joe Biden understands the difficulties of balancing work and family. He supports the Family and Medical Leave Act and knows how important it was to help the 50 million Americans who have taken advantage of up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for sick family members. We can do more though, and that’s why Joe Biden is co-sponsoring the Healthy Families Act—a bill that would make it mandatory for employers of 15 or more workers to provide seven days paid leave for their own or their families’ health care, providing millions of Americans with the flexibility they need to both take care of their families and remain working.

Caring for Seniors: Joe Biden knows from caring for his own parents how important home care workforces can be in providing stable, experienced care to the growing number of senior citizens who wish to stay in their homes. Joe Biden supports expanding access to home healthcare and hospice services and co-sponsored the Community Choices Act, which would help disabled Americans get Medicaid coverage for at-home care.


And the economy;

Reviving the U.S. economy
JUDY WOODRUFF: The U.S. economy, how would you size up its health? And what would you as president want to do to see it get out of this current subprime mess, which is spreading to the rest of the economy?

SEN. JOE BIDEN: Sure is.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what would you want to see to keep the U.S. economy...

SEN. JOE BIDEN: The state of the economy is precarious right now. Two reasons: We don't know how deep this subprime hole is, because there's no transparency in the hedge fund business. And we don't know how many of these bad subprime, collateral loans that were offered to get good loans to build, you know, to provide good money, we don't know how much is built on a bad foundation.

We need transparency. You need transparency in the hedge fund side of things, and that has to happen in the future. You have to provide for the ability of people who are losing their homes to be able to negotiate for the ability to maintain those homes at the interest rates they're in at now because, in the interest of the company, they not go bankrupt, in the interest of the mortgage-holder.

But more importantly, Judy, the problem we have here is that we owe China a trillion dollars. We're $2 trillion in debt to the world. The value of the dollar is falling. And why are we so much in debt? The war and tax cuts for the wealthy.

I would let the tax cuts expire for the very wealthy. We get the bunch of all these tax cuts. That would put trillion dollars back into the economy that we could use that for other things to begin to prop up the economy.

I would also change our trade policy. Here we are, take a look at China. We have the ability to curtail the importation of those products China is sending to us as tainted toys, tainted dog food. We can do that under the World Trade Organization rules. We don't do it. We don't even enforce fair trade in this administration and even in the last administration a little bit, because we don't want to offend or hurt major companies with interests in those countries. So I would impose fair trade.

And the third thing I would do is, by ending this war, it would free up $120 billion a year. What is happening? We are hemorrhaging blood and treasure here with war and tax cuts, driving ourselves in debt more than we ever have been. And it's having a dramatic impact upon the stability of the dollar and the stability of the markets here.





People tend to forget that Iraq is directly tied to the US economy.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:29 PM
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5. Joe seems to go into more detail about his approaches - he usually already
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 02:34 PM by gateley
has step-by-step plans at the ready.

He was the first to say, at a debate,(paraphrasing) "people aren't worried about what's going on up here (the stage), they're worried about being able to pay the fuel bill, their mortgage, will their child be safe walking to school"... He understands that we're in a world of hurt, and I honestly think that hurts HIM.

Regarding corporations, in his 35 years in the senate he has not met ONCE with a lobbyist, and at the beginning of his public service career made a decision not to invest in the stock market lest his holdings influence his voting. He's also not the darling of the corporations as is evidenced by their lack of financial support in this campaign - they know he can't be influenced.

It seems to me that a Senator who is re-elected consistently has he has been, indicates that he is working for his constituents, and that they believe he's doing a good job for them.

EDIT to add he's already established working, mutually respectful relationships with the world leaders. At this critical time in our history I'm not sure we have the luxury of a spell where the President and other leaders feel each other out and worry about what they should do politically. Biden would be on a plane and talking face to face with them, and working toward solutions.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:36 PM
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6. As usual, there is Joe Biden with exactly the right answers. That man should be President
And if my vote makes any difference he will be.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 01:57 PM
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2. Since corporate greed and short-sightedness is the source of most of US's problems
it seems fitting that the media will eventually go after him. He isn't running for President of Pakistan, Iraq and Afganistan, so I guess he has as much foreign policy experience as the current holder of the office, who claimed he wouldn't involve the US in 'nation building' waaaaay back in 2000, yet turned around and is doing just that.

If the other candidates want to be corporate appeasers, let them be.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:29 PM
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4. Did I say he was the president of these countries?
I want to hear him speak on what he will do concerning negotiating, when he gets in a debate with a repug say someone like Duncan Hunter or Mc Cain what will he say, does he know enough about it or what,. If he only has as much as the current office holder then it will be a mess. He needs to talk about all policy not just the two americas..We or he doesn't know what he will do because bush has been lying and hiding info for years the others have more of a chance the he from what I can see about foreign policy because they do have some knowledge by being senators. I want him to speak up more about this I have not really made a choice.. I am continuing to look at all...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:59 AM
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19. You seemed more concerned about FOREIGN policy matters than DOMESTIC
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 11:04 AM by EVDebs
which is why I brought up Bush's lack of foreign policy 'expertise'. Since we all know, by now, that Cheney's neocons were calling all the shots anyway and wanted to sucker us with a no state building claim to get Bush elected in the first place, Edwards merely needs to call the GOP candidates out on their own miserable record.

It seems that a healthy foreign policy towards Pakistan etc would be to leave them alone ! This isn't JE talking, just me and my own common sense. Our CIA and DoD have done, literally, a "bang up" job on foreign policy and now it's time for a breather so to speak.

Fewer foreign student visas, H1b visas, and time to train and educate US students and workers rather than a continued reliance upon imported wage-reducing labor as we've been doing for the past thirty to forty years on now. The pro-immigration globalizationist corporations are going to attack JE BIG TIME but JE needs to know this is where the brunt of the attack is going to come from.

The Hard Truth of Immigration
NO SOCIETY HAS A BOUNDLESS CAPACITY TO ACCEPT NEWCOMERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN MANY OF THEM ARE POOR OR UNSKILLED WORKERS.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/50081

The 'breather' needed for our economy to recover sufficiently may already even be taking place, see graph,

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/immigration/l/bl_immigration_decade.htm

showing that recent immigration numbers match that of the 1900 period. Globalization's 'race to the bottom' needs to hit a speed bump. Edward's can get us back on to America's priorities. Charity truly begins at home, and if the Bible-based GOP can't understand THAT then they're hopeless and will probably elect Huckabee, as it now appears they will. HRC and Obama even, IMHO, can't beat Huckabee's evangelical base. Going negative won't beat that or him. You've got to show the fruits of the policies they've championed. The well prepared lawyer that he is, JE will be able to do that. Just remind them that if they continue down Neocon Road what they can expect.



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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:06 PM
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3. I am off to work but here's is a bit of info
RE: Iran

http://johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20071105-new-strategy-for-iran/


Re: National Security

http://johnedwards.com/issues/military/


Interview with observer after John Edwards Speech reguarding foreign policies

American Spirit


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jrnLAgVH4

GTG..... We hope to have you aboard, lets restore Democracy together!
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medicswife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:54 PM
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7. Senator Biden
My husband is Active Duty Army and currently deployed to Iraq. I was trying to make up my mind between Edwards and Obama and leading towards Edwards. I felt much the same way as you do now. My hubby asked me to look into Joe Biden and after thorough research, I now completely support him for President. We don't have a better candidate. Look into Biden. Look at his plan on Iraq. Because of him, my husband and the other soldiers he's deployed with will soon be getting some MRAP's. Biden is straightforward, and keeps his promises. Check him out!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:49 PM
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12. Welcome Bidenite!!
Make sure you stop by the Biden supporters group and say hi.

Link is on the home page of DU at the bottom.

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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:01 PM
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8. I think Obama is closest to Edwards
on corporate greed,poverty,affordable housing and jobs.

Take a look at his speech on the topic. It's outstanding.
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/07/18/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_19.php

And here's a page on his website with more detail on his plans to combat it:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fightingpoverty/

Biden is a good Senator but this is not his issue. In fact, he's decried the populist campaigns that Obama and Edwards have been running.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:12 PM
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9. He has not decried it, he says it's wrong to USE them...
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 05:14 PM by 1corona4u
to PIT rich against poor, and he's right. It's not right to pit any groups of people against the other. He also said he would stop the tax breaks FOR THE RICH. And that, he can say/do without pitting rich against poor.

Get your facts straight. Joe Biden didn't come from a rich family. Maybe you need to do some more research on him before you make ignorant statements. He's also the 2nd poorest senator. Something that JE can't say....or Obama for that matter.

Joe is an average man, and if you think he isn't interested in helping the poor, then you aren't paying attention.

JE is worth 50+ MILLION, and Obama isn't poor either. The person who can relate to the middle class IS the person who LIVES a MIDDLE CLASS LIFESTYLE.

I know that there are a couple of candidates who use those issues like a lever, because they are telling people what they think they want to hear. In my opinion, it's a facade, which will crumble should they become president.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:46 PM
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11. Explain how Obama or Edwards are pitting the rich against the poor
I don't see it. That sounds like the same thing Republicans say to discourage any populist policy that seeks to institute a little fairness into the system.

And I don't believe that you have to be poor to care about the poor. Nor do I believe being middle class means you care about the poor.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:53 PM
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14. If I need to explain it to you....
perhaps you need a cat scan.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:01 PM
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16. I'll take that to mean you can't explain it
They're pitting poor people against rich corporations, which is not the same thing.
This has always been the conservative argument against populism/socialism.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:47 PM
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17. Take it to mean exactly what I said.
It's what I meant. John says one thing and does another. He's gotten rich off of his investments in large corporations. It's a fact. He's bullshitting people, and they're buying it. Simple as that.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:58 PM
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15. It's really hard for someone like me to understand JE when he has made
millions off of the poor....the very people that he has said he wants to help.

His whole lifestyle does not fit his message.

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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:49 PM
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18. And, he has made millions off of the large corporations
he now claims to be against. I looked at his portfolio tonight. Lots of financial, hedge funds, large companies, etc.
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:48 PM
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10. As much as I admire JE for wanting to take on BIG BIZ
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 05:58 PM by NI4NI
I'm keep wondering how much can he get done without the help from a solid DEM Senate majority. Will the roadblock repukes work with him to battle BIG BIZ as long as they are taking their money and can still use 60-40 cloture tactics on anything that comes up. BIG BIZ is the back bone base of the Pugs Party, isn't it?
If JE is the nominee, I'll vote for him and hope he can, but I got serious doubts.
As for foreign issues, I don't know if JE has the experience or any proven record.
Ask yourself who for so many years has already proved able to get so much significant foreign and domestic legislation passed with the support and votes from BOTH sides of the Senate? This is why I believe in Joe Biden.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:52 PM
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13. I don't know if this helps or not but -
the whole reason Biden got into politics in his early 20's was because he couldn't stand civil injustice and inequality.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:13 PM
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20. Does this question sound more reasonable today?
Biden,Biden, Biden...
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